Report: Zelda: Twilight Princess HD Will Have "Amiibo Exclusive" New Dungeon

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Can you really blame Nintendo for following what is now the market standard?

Yup. If all your friends jumped off a bridge, I could still blame you for following the trend.

People have been asking of Nintendo to get into online gaming and people buy all these Amiibos in the 100s. And look at the success of Splatoon.

I don't care. Nothing about the people around you being stupid robs you of your inherent self-determination. You are responsible for the things you choose to do; and to the degree that we can pretend Nintendo is a singular entity, so is Nintendo responsible for its choices.

So you don't care. You don't like this practice. You are calling people stupid for buying this.

Should Nintendo change its practices for you and you alone?

I don't own a Wii-U but want to and I have no intention of buying Amiibo but Nintendo so far is making me compromise with this one Amiibo for Twilight Princess HD and Twilight Princess is my absolute favorite Zelda game.

Besides I am certain Nintendo will offer digital versions of this DLC later once the Amiibo thing becomes irrelevent.

 

[JimB]

So you don't care.

Correct.

You don't like this practice.

Also correct.

You are calling people stupid for buying this.

Not directly; buying things, on its own, is fine. They're stupid for contributing to a collector's culture that is incentivizing Nintendo to continue to deliberately underproduce in order to artificially create scarcity, because that puts Nintendo into a deliberately adversarial relationship with its customers.

Should Nintendo change its practices for you and you alone?

No, it should change to do the right thing by all its customers.

I am certain Nintendo will offer digital versions of this DLC later once the Amiibo thing becomes irrelevant.

And I'm certain that will be a tremendous comfort to all of Nintendo's customers who just want to own a nice little wolf-Link fig but can't get one because Nintendo thinks it's funny to not make enough for demand.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So you don't care.

Correct.

You don't like this practice.

Also correct.

You are calling people stupid for buying this.

Not directly; buying things, on its own, is fine. They're stupid for contributing to a collector's culture that is incentivizing Nintendo to continue to deliberately underproduce in order to artificially create scarcity, because that puts Nintendo into a deliberately adversarial relationship with its customers.

Should Nintendo change its practices for you and you alone?

No, it should change to do the right thing by all its customers.

I am certain Nintendo will offer digital versions of this DLC later once the Amiibo thing becomes irrelevant.

And I'm certain that will be a tremendous comfort to all of Nintendo's customers who just want to own a nice little wolf-Link fig but can't get one because Nintendo thinks it's funny to not make enough for demand.

1. You cannot stop people's hobbies sadly. Online gaming came about because gamers themselves made Online multiplayer mods for certain single player games like Doom and Warcraft. SomeCallMeJohnny has a huge collection of these Amiibos.

2. Do you speak for all consumers? Do all consumers share the same opinion as you? And if there are people that share the same opinion as you is it enough for Nintendo to change its ways?

3. I meant this one speicfic Amiibo that has this "DLC" included. That after it becomes irrelevent Nintendo's sells the DLC in the E-Shop.

 

[JimB]

You cannot stop people's hobbies sadly.

I never said I can. I also never said I want to, so I have no idea where this is coming from or where you're going with it.

Do you speak for all consumers?

Yes, obviously I do. After all, it is well documented that someone can only hold or express a personal belief if one hundred percent of people agree with it, so since I am expressing my belief, I must therefore possess the authority of the Emperor of Video Gaming. QED.

And if there are people that share the same opinion as you, is it enough for Nintendo to change its ways?

Ask Nintendo. I am not their spokesperson.

I meant this one specific Amiibo that has this "DLC" included.

And I did not. I do not see the value in refusing to discuss the entire system of the Amiibo product, because to me that's like refusing to permit discussion of verifiably innocent people who have been executed by the state while debating whether capital punishment is a good idea.

 

[Something Amyss]

And if there are people that share the same opinion as you is it enough for Nintendo to change its ways?

Nintendo fans have demonstrated that, as a whole, they are among the worst consumers in a hobby where hyperconsumerism is already a pretty big deal. I'm curious as to what any of this has to do with whether or not bad business practices should be called out. If someone's scratching their ass while cooking breakfast and 99 in 100 people don't mind, is that a good thing?

Since Jim was literally only talking about calling out the bad practices, what does any of this have to do with anything?

actually, it's more like you're sitting in this massive, festering pile of poop, pretending that everything is fine and that this what you're supposed to do when you grow up, and you're celebrating because you see the place across from yours get some poop on it too which lets you feel better about yourself

No, this is pretty much literally what people have been saying about Nintendo for ages, and Nintendo fans have been defending every practice. This is the end result of years and years of people acting as if Nintendo could do no wrong.

Not surprising there are people saying "called it."

Worse, I suspect this will be the Michael Bay principle in action. That is, a significant chunk of the people complaining will buy this anyway. Nintendo's practice will be reinforced and validated, and likely the problem will be made worse. Who knows? Maybe lighting will strike and Nintendo fans will overall reject this. But I think my chances are better of surviving that lightning strike than of a Zelda game performing significantly below expectation.

Which is how they get you. They trot these things out on popular titles so people will literally justify it.

And that Amiibo does look pretty sweet.

 

[weirdee]

I guess you're right. I mean, Nintendo was one of the earliest adopters of DLC practices, so they're the ones to blame for this. That is exactly how that sequence of events occurred.

 

[Mad World]

People over at Nintendo are really into gimmicky crap, aren't they? Also, if this "Amiibo" costs extra (as opposed to being included with the game), that's just plain greedy. So sick of this kind of thing.

 

[JimB]

Since Jim was literally only talking about calling out the bad practices, what does any of this have to do with anything?

Normally, since this is being offered to counter a suggestion that something in the video games industry needs to change, I would assume it's a plutocratic argument; that if a thing was bad, people wouldn't buy it, so we should measure the correctness of a company's actions by its profit margin. In this case, though, I'm just not sure, which is why I went for irony about the Emperor of Video Games. I actually wouldn't mind hearing clarification.

 

[Something Amyss]

Normally, since this is being offered to counter a suggestion that something in the video games industry needs to change, I would assume it's a plutocratic argument; that if a thing was bad, people wouldn't buy it, so we should measure the correctness of a company's actions by its profit margin. In this case, though, I'm just not sure, which is why I went for irony about the Emperor of Video Games. I actually wouldn't mind hearing clarification.

Clearly, then, the best video games are AAA publishers anyway and this whole thing is moot. I welcome our new EA/Activision overlords.

PS: do you have any positions available? Evil advisor, court jester, something that's less malicious and more grimly amusing?

I guess you're right. I mean, Nintendo was one of the earliest adopters of DLC practices, so they're the ones to blame for this. That is exactly how that sequence of events occurred.

When people fail to address anything I say and rather resort to sarcastically attacking strawmen, it says--admittedly, just to me--that my argument is just too solid to respond to. That may not be your intention, but attacking a position I don't hold while writing me off doesn't constitute a strong argument.

Now, if you in any way are unclear on the issues of consumerism that are rife with Nintendo products, I would be happy to work with you and restate. In the meantime, I'm not particularly sure what you set out to accomplish. What you have accomplished, however, is enforcing the idea that there are no cogent arguments which counter mine. I'm going to guess that's not your intent, though.

 

[Spider RedNight]

Sssssssooooo? If it's anything like the Twilight Castle or any OTHER Twilight part of the aforementioned Twilight Princess then it's really not gonna be that great, anyway; the Twilight parts were ironically some of my least favourite because of how limiting it is to be a wolf (not that being a wolf's the part I don't like, I'm just not a fan of the lighting, area designs or combat with the stupid giant twili monsters that you have to kill all of simultaneously).

So if I wanted a game where I play as a canine with a companion and I have to traverse sprawling lands, I'll just play Okami again (yes yes Zero Punctuation made the "Zelda is like Okami" joke before but I noticed this before I knew who Zero Punctuation was). I'm not gonna buy an amiibo wait, I don't even have a Wii U. I'm not gonna buy a Wii U just so I can buy an amiibo just so I can have an extra dungeon that might not even be better than other twilight zones from Twilight Princess.

Laaaaame, Nintendork.

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[Worgen]

Oddly enough, I don't care about the dungeon, I just want the amiibo because its cool.

 

[Quellist]

Fuck it. I was on the fence about Twilight Princess anyway, this just gave me the excuse to cancel my pre-order with Amazon. Congratz Nintendo and a hearty fuck you!

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Oddly enough, I don't care about the dungeon, I just want the amiibo because its cool.

Admittedly that is a sweet Amiibo.

Apparently info has come out in the latest Famitsu detailing Amiibo functionality. Apparently the Wolf Link one allows you to access something that can get you a 9,999 Rupee wallet. That's it. Huh, not as dramatic as people believed, is it? And of course there's the importing into the next Zelda which is still being kept under wraps. More details are in the link:

http://nintendoeverything.com/famitsu-sheds-light-on-zelda-twilight-princess-hds-amiibo-features/

 

[Shoggoth2588]

This kind of sucks but the extent to which this is bad isn't yet clear. This could be another Chibi-Robo kind of deal where it's a non-issue (ie: every copy of the game is bundled with the Wolf amiibo). I don't think that'll be the case but there's always a chance that it will go down like that. After doing a bit of digging though, it looks like that extra dungeon only really unlocks a bigger wallet so...there's that. Not sure if there's an extra boss though which I would hope for but that would be the main attraction for me.

 

[Drathnoxis]

Nintendo did say once that every Amiibo will get a "card" version that you can get for much cheaper.
I wonder what's happening with that. Never heard anything about that.

Spoiler: Cards? Nintendo's already released their DLC card platform.

Cards? Nintendo's already released their DLC card platform.

I believe it was a roaring success.