Rose Reviews: Saya no Uta

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This year, for Solstice, my spouse got me a copy of Saya no Uta (aka The Song of Saya) after a "recommendation" from the people over at Extra Credits. That recommendation came with several warnings about content, but I'm both brave and was enchanted by the idea of playing a game created by the person who wrote Puella Magi Magical Madoka.

Today, I played it. It took me around 5 hours to get all three endings. I've previously played Fate/Stay Night and School Days, so I was expecting it to last a bit longer. However, while it was short, it was intense (rather like Madoka).

The premiss is this: our protagonist, Fuminori Sakisaka (Fuminori hereafter), has recently been in a major car accident and suffered brain damage. His particular brain damage causes a constant visual, auditory, olfactory, and sensory hallucination - he sees the world as made of meat, and the people in the world as being Eldridge abominations. Fuminori is doomed to live out his life in a world that he perceives as hell.

Except for one person - Saya, a girl he met at the hospital. She is the only person who looks normal to Fuminori. So he invites her to come live with him, eschewing his friends and responsibilities to spend more and more time with her, the only beautiful thing in his horrifically ugly world.

And that's where things get weird.

Suffice it to say that thing go badly very, very rapidly. Saya has a complex backstory of her own, and Fuminori's friends (who don't know about his hallucinatory condition) soon begin to wonder what is wrong with their friend and attempt to investigate.

There are three endings. The first comes up fairly rapidly, and is technically a "game over" - except that it is arguably the "best" ending.

The other two endings take longer to achieve and occur at the "end" of the story. Which one is "good" and which one is "bad" depends on your perspective.

The game - which is a visual novel with minimal input (there are a total of two questions, the choice of which puts you onto the paths one each of the three endings) - is sublime. I don't mean that the game is good (although the story is an excellent deconstruction of its genre) - I mean that it is literally sublime: terribly beautiful.

It is grotesque and glorious. It is sickening and sweet - although not sickeningly sweet. Horror has never been so beautiful.

That's about all I can say without spoilers (which will be included below for the curious). However, I will add two warnings.

First: The Meat World hallucinations are pretty gross, and very frequent. If the thought of a world made from rotting meat would make you not want to play this game... then don't.

Secondly: This is an H title, so it has sex scenes. And, since it was remastered for America, it has uncensored sex scenes. If you've ever read a hentai (or played an H-game) it's nothing out of the ordinary, but it's there. If that will bother you, then you may want to avoid this game.

Thirdly: There is a rape scene, so consider this a trigger warning. Also, keep this in mind if you just can't stand fictional depictions of rape. I will say one thing about this scene - it is actually treated with a greater level of seriousness and shown to have a longer lasting effect on the victim than is often the case in fiction. While I personally find rape scenes distasteful, I found this one to be appropriate to the story and well handled overall.

If those warnings don't put you off, then go for it. I highly recommend this game - or "visual novel" if you prefer. The story is unique and incredibly engaging, and the characters were both a refreshing surprise and (in a few cases) utterly demented. An incredibly unique experience that blends horror and beauty in a way rarely seen anywhere.

Okay... and now for what you've all been waiting for. Spoilers.

Actually, there isn't much I want to discuss here. A lot of this game just needs to be experienced. However, I do want to bring up a few points, particularly about characterization.

First off, Saya. Saya is basically a C'thuhlu mythos creature akin to a Migo or Shogoth. Fuminori's hallucinations convert her from a tentacles monster into a beautiful young woman. And, after she moves in with him, they get with the sexy times. Why? Her "mission" is to collect DNA samples from the dominant species on the planet.

Knowing that, Gen Urobuchi (of Madoka fame) writes her as one of the most sympathetic characters in the game. That's right - this game makes you feel for the tentacled monster. She is (almost) never portrayed as evil. At worst, she is shown to be following her instincts (by hunting and eating prey) or simply unaware of human moral systems. At best, in the first (game over) ending, she sacrifices her own happiness to heal Fuminori's brain damage, leaving herself bereft and unable to complete her mission. She (the tentacle monster) chooses to spare humanity for love.

Urobuchi contrasts this with Fuminori who (in any path besides the game over ending mentioned above) becomes the real villain of the game and goes on a murder spree to kill anyone who might come between him and Saya. His definition of "come between them" includes all of his friends because they know him and happen to be concerned about him. Nice guy.

If you've seen Madoka, then you know that Urobuchi is a master of deconstruction. Here, he brings deconstruction to the C'thuhlu mythos. The tentacled horror from beyond the stars isn't evil - man is. Time and again, Saya no Uta shows humans to be capable of far more malice and cruelty than this monster from space.

Okay, spoiler section over.

I highly recommend Saya no Uta. It is unique. It is sublime. It is one of the best horror games I have ever played.
 

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Great review, although I did notice one error:

Bara_no_Hime said:
Eldridge abominations.
I think that should be "eldritch." Just nitpicking, though.

I read this late last year and absolutely loved it. It's twisted as hell but surprisingly moving. It's horror that does much more than just horrify.
 

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I tried reading/playing this a while ago, and I gave up pretty quickly. That first warning can't be emphasized enough, the imagery made me feel ill. I don't mean that it's shocking or horrifying (though I'm sure it certainly is both of those things), it was just genuinely disgusting to look at and made me feel like I was going to throw up after I was exposed to it for a short while.

If you're thinking of buying it I'd seriously recommend taking a look on google images first and asking yourself if you're willing to be exposed to that for multiple hours. If it doesn't bother you at all, then go ahead, because I've heard nothing but praise from people who have actually managed to read the thing.

This review hasn't quite convinced me to try Saya no Uta again, but it has convinced me to try watching Puella Magi Magical Madoka. Before I do however, I have to ask, it doesn't become as graphically disgusting as Saya no Uta does it?

I really don't want to see fully animated versions of those rooms of rotting flesh.
 

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I haven't watched it myself, but I'm pretty sure that Madoka Magica has absolutely nothing of the sort. I could be wrong, though.

Also, thanks for writing a review of this @Bara_no_Hime. I had originally heard of this game(-ish thing) on these very forums, but my interest was rekindled when it was recommended by Extra Credits. Unfortunately, I find the loli stuff in it really, really off-putting. Hell, I'm not even sure if it's legal where I live. So whenever I do get around to reading it, it'll have to be in censored let's play form.

D'oh well. Back to Analogue: A Hate Story I go.
 

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Lunncal said:
This review hasn't quite convinced me to try Saya no Uta again, but it has convinced me to try watching Puella Magi Magical Madoka. Before I do however, I have to ask, it doesn't become as graphically disgusting as Saya no Uta does it?

I really don't want to see fully animated versions of those rooms of rotting flesh.
Fortunately, Madoka has nothing to do with rotting flesh worlds.

Actually, the world is squeaky clean. Lots of sterile looking white buildings. The school has all glass walls (you can literally see all hallway activity through the walls of the classrooms).

And, because things sometimes get really, really weird in Madoka, occasionally the world is made out of macrame. Which, while disturbing, is not at all icky.

So yes, go watch Madoka. GOOD show. Also only 12 episodes. Watch online or via Hulu Plus since the DVDs are stupidly overpriced.
 

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ScrabbitRabbit said:
Great review, although I did notice one error:

Bara_no_Hime said:
Eldridge abominations.
I think that should be "eldritch." Just nitpicking, though.

I read this late last year and absolutely loved it. It's twisted as hell but surprisingly moving. It's horror that does much more than just horrify.
Blame spellchecker. I'm pretty sure I typed eldritch. In fact, right-clicking on it now, it corrects that to Eldridge. Which, come to think of it, is the name of the ship from Xenogears, so I can't even be upset about it. Maybe the translation team had spellchecker too. That would explain a few of the other translation goofs. :p

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]Also, thanks for writing a review of this @Bara_no_Hime. I had originally heard of this game(-ish thing) on these very forums, but my interest was rekindled when it was recommended by Extra Credits. Unfortunately, I find the loli stuff in it really, really off-putting. Hell, I'm not even sure if it's legal where I live. So whenever I do get around to reading it, it'll have to be in censored let's play form.
... yeah, I probably should have mentioned that. The game itself puts up a very clear "EVERYONE IN THIS IS 18+" note, but even one of the characters in the game comments on how young Saya looks.

Then again, she does state that (for her species) she is a full adult. So I guess it's just Fuminori's brain that's at fault. I would make a joke about how Fuminori is a sick fuck, but... yeah. See my spoilered text in the OP for details on that line of inquiry. Or don't if you don't want to read spoilers.
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
... yeah, I probably should have mentioned that. The game itself puts up a very clear "EVERYONE IN THIS IS 18+" note, but even one of the characters in the game comments on how young Saya looks.

Then again, she does state that (for her species) she is a full adult. So I guess it's just Fuminori's brain that's at fault. I would make a joke about how Fuminori is a sick fuck, but... yeah. See my spoilered text in the OP for details on that line of inquiry. Or don't if you don't want to read spoilers.
Hmm... I still think I'll stick to a let's play or something. I doubt I'll miss much plot-wise from the sex scenes anyway. By the way, on the topic of Madoka Magica; it's supposed to be a deconstruction of the magical girl genre right? Would you still recommend it to someone who's never watched a show in that genre?
 

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]Hmm... I still think I'll stick to a let's play or something. I doubt I'll miss much plot-wise from the sex scenes anyway. By the way, on the topic of Madoka Magica; it's supposed to be a deconstruction of the magical girl genre right? Would you still recommend it to someone who's never watched a show in that genre?
You have an Asuka avatar and you've never seen a magical girl shoujo before?

No Sailor Moon? No Mai Hime?

Or, to use a couple of western examples, no Buffy the Vampire Slayer? No Power Puff girls? No Friendship is Magic (the pilot more than the rest of the show)?

Anyway, to answer your actual question, yes - it is an excellent series even if you don't get the deconstructionist aspects. If you do, that makes it extra delicious and genre bendy, but that's just a bonus on the excellent story and characters.
 

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You have an Asuka avatar and you've never seen a magical girl shoujo before?

No Sailor Moon? No Mai Hime?

Or, to use a couple of western examples, no Buffy the Vampire Slayer? No Power Puff girls? No Friendship is Magic (the pilot more than the rest of the show)?

Anyway, to answer your actual question, yes - it is an excellent series even if you don't get the deconstructionist aspects. If you do, that makes it extra delicious and genre bendy, but that's just a bonus on the excellent story and characters.
Heh, yeah. I've actually only been introducing myself to anime very recently. Evangelion is, besides a couple Miyazaki films I saw as a kid, the first anime I've ever watched. It also quickly became one of my favourite shows of all time. Looks like I'll have to make Madoka Magica my second! (Either that or Cowboy Bebop.)
 

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I've never tried a visual novel before, but after seeing that Extra Credits episode, I have to say I'm very intrigued by it. Even though I hear it's executed well and wouldn't have even been mentioned by Extra Credits if there wasn't something of artistic merit, I think it's the hentai that keeps me from experiencing it. The flesh (at least to my understanding) doesn't bother me as much being in a medical career and all. Never read/watched anything hentai (also not into porn or really anything with graphic depictions of sex or rape. Not in a prudish way though, but just I'm not usually into it), though what's strange about Song of Saya is that I'm still somewhat interested. It's a really weird feeling, and this review isn't helping me stop my temptation :(
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
Great, I'll definitely be watching it soon then, thanks.

If I'm getting this straight, Puella Magi Magical Madoka is an anime about magical girls set in a creepy sterile white world, sometimes everything is made of macrame, and it's a deconstruction of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Why on earth did I leave it until now?
 

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Great, I'll definitely be watching it soon then, thanks.
If I'm getting this straight, Puella Magi Magical Madoka is an anime about magical girls set in a creepy sterile white world, sometimes everything is made of macrame, and it's a deconstruction of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Why on earth did I leave it until now?
Buffy is a particularly Americanized (and already partly deconstructed) version of Magic Girl Shoujo, but yeah, otherwise that's pretty close.

To mildly expound, a lot of magical girl shoujo pre-Sailor Moon (which was a huge genre changer) was about wish fulfillment. A girl would be granted some sort of magical power to fulfill a wish.

I mention this because wishes are a central theme of Madoka.

More recent magical girl shoujo, like Sailor Moon and Buffy, have more to do with the hero's journey - resisting the call, the journey, resisting temptation, and overcoming a great foe.

Madoka ALSO touches on those themes.

And does so in a grand total of 12 episodes. Gen Urobuchi does not fuck around. He is a master at keeping things short but intense.

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]Heh, yeah. I've actually only been introducing myself to anime very recently. Evangelion is, besides a couple Miyazaki films I saw as a kid, the first anime I've ever watched. It also quickly became one of my favourite shows of all time. Looks like I'll have to make Madoka Magica my second! (Either that or Cowboy Bebop.)
Well, you've started strong. Evangelion is one of my favorite anime series.

Cowboy Bebop is very good, but it has one... I hesitate to call it a flaw, but one thing that puts some people off of it. Bebop is partly inspired by Jazz music. And, like Jazz, Bebop tends to wander about. Of the 26 episodes, only about 4 are "arc plot" and another 6 or so are main character side plots. The other half of the series is made of what would be "random filler" in most animes. In Bebop, because of it's particularly strange theme, the random filler is actually the point - because Jazz is about randomness, change, and inspiration. So, while I love Cowboy Bebop, it can be off-putting. Or you might love it. **shrug**

Also, if you're looking for some good deconstructionist anime, I will also recommend Revolutionary Girl Utena. It is a deconstruction of Fairy Tales, particularly the role of Princes and Princesses. Many consider Puella Magi Madoka Magica to be the spiritual successor to Revolutionary Girl Utena.

I'd probably recommend watching Madoka first. If you like it, you will probably like Utena (which is three times longer), but it is less of a time investment and easier to find for viewing.

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I've never tried a visual novel before, but after seeing that Extra Credits episode, I have to say I'm very intrigued by it. Even though I hear it's executed well and wouldn't have even been mentioned by Extra Credits if there wasn't something of artistic merit, I think it's the hentai that keeps me from experiencing it. The flesh (at least to my understanding) doesn't bother me as much being in a medical career and all. Never read/watched anything hentai (also not into porn or really anything with graphic depictions of sex or rape. Not in a prudish way though, but just I'm not usually into it), though what's strange about Song of Saya is that I'm still somewhat interested. It's a really weird feeling, and this review isn't helping me stop my temptation :(
Unlike some other visual novels, the sex scenes in Saya no Uta are plot relevant and fairly quick. Compared to say, Fate/Stay Night, where the sex scenes are quite long and involved, Saya no Uta practically skims through them. And, the sex is always important to the plot. In some cases it might not seem like it immediately, but it always comes back one way or another (even if it is just to show how far a given character has fallen). The sex scenes are often more disturbing than sexy - particularly once you know what's really going on.

Not sure if that helps you with your decision. Hopefully it will at least help a bit.
 

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Well, you've started strong. Evangelion is one of my favorite anime series.

Cowboy Bebop is very good, but it has one... I hesitate to call it a flaw, but one thing that puts some people off of it. Bebop is partly inspired by Jazz music. And, like Jazz, Bebop tends to wander about. Of the 26 episodes, only about 4 are "arc plot" and another 6 or so are main character side plots. The other half of the series is made of what would be "random filler" in most animes. In Bebop, because of it's particularly strange theme, the random filler is actually the point - because Jazz is about randomness, change, and inspiration. So, while I love Cowboy Bebop, it can be off-putting. Or you might love it. **shrug**

Also, if you're looking for some good deconstructionist anime, I will also recommend Revolutionary Girl Utena. It is a deconstruction of Fairy Tales, particularly the role of Princes and Princesses. Many consider Puella Magi Madoka Magica to be the spiritual successor to Revolutionary Girl Utena.

I'd probably recommend watching Madoka first. If you like it, you will probably like Utena (which is three times longer), but it is less of a time investment and easier to find for viewing.
That won't be problem. The structure of a work of fiction is never a deal-breaker for me, so long as it's executed well. And from what I've seen of it, the soundtrack and animation is so good that the show could be utter crap and I would barely notice.

I've started watching Madoka Magica. I'm about to start the 3rd episode, which I have been led to understand is the point at which shit gets real. I'm already in love with the way the show looks, though. My jaw hit the floor during the first macrame world scene, and I'm working on reattaching it to my skull. This is gonna be good.

By the way, one thing that's been irritating me in every anime I've laid my eyes on: why all the frickin' mouth flapping? It seems that when any anime character talks, the only part of their face that ever moves is their mouth. It looks like they're on enough botox to give an entire city botulism. It doesn't seem to be a budget-related thing, since it occurs even in series with absolutely gorgeous animation. What gives?
 

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]That won't be problem. The structure of a work of fiction is never a deal-breaker for me, so long as it's executed well. And from what I've seen of it, the soundtrack and animation is so good that the show could be utter crap and I would barely notice.

I've started watching Madoka Magica. I'm about to start the 3rd episode, which I have been led to understand is the point at which shit gets real. I'm already in love with the way the show looks, though. My jaw hit the floor during the first macrame world scene, and I'm working on reattaching it to my skull. This is gonna be good.
**opens mouth**

**closes mouth**

If you want to talk Madoka, I'd suggest doing so via PM to avoid spoilers for the rest of the forum.

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]By the way, one thing that's been irritating me in every anime I've laid my eyes on: why all the frickin' mouth flapping? It seems that when any anime character talks, the only part of their face that ever moves is their mouth. It looks like they're on enough botox to give an entire city botulism. It doesn't seem to be a budget-related thing, since it occurs even in series with absolutely gorgeous animation. What gives?
I'm guessing it started as a budget thing. Most anime follows the Hanna Barbara system of animating the mouth separately from the rest of the character (see Movie Bob's discussion of Yogi Bear's tie for details).

However, there is also the stylistic aspect. Many manga use exaggerated mouth movements to convey emotions, and that style often moves over into animes based thereon.

My personal recommendation - try to get used to it. It happens often, so it's best to just ignore it. Eventually you won't notice it anymore. I don't.
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
Oh, don't worry, I have no intention of turning this thread into my personal Madoka Magica spoilerathon. I just wanted to confirm that I had indeed started watching it, and it was indeed awesome. If I've already divulged to much, just let me know and I'll put it in spoiler tags.

The mouth flaps aren't actually much of a problem for me, I was just curious about the reason it's so prevalent. Thanks for the explanation!
 

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I gotta say, I'm kind of amused that my review of Saya no Uta hasn't convinced anyone (or maybe just one person, maybe) to play Saya no Uta, but it has convinced several people to watch Puella Magi Magical Madoka.

Well, I love Madoka, so cheers to me anyway. ^^
 

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I gotta say, I'm kind of amused that my review of Saya no Uta hasn't convinced anyone (or maybe just one person, maybe) to play Saya no Uta, but it has convinced several people to watch Puella Magi Magical Madoka.

Well, I love Madoka, so cheers to me anyway. ^^
From personal experience, because I have played/watched both already.

I find it kind of amusing how many people are expecting similarities between the two. Before reading this review, I wasn't even aware they had any kind of connection.

I'm surprised at the mention of the DVD's being expensive. I got the entire boxset on Blu-Ray for around £25/$41, which is pretty good for an entire series (over here at least).

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]By the way, on the topic of Madoka Magica; it's supposed to be a deconstruction of the magical girl genre right? Would you still recommend it to someone who's never watched a show in that genre?
It's funny that you mentioned liking my avatar recently, but haven't seen the series (It is from Madoka Magica).

I have never seen a magical girl anime, before or since Madoka Magica and personally I am glad this is the case. The reason for this is that I was completely unaware of the tropes, so nothing seemed stereotypical or clichéd.

It's the kind of show I think is best to watch without any prior knowledge. Many agree which is why people are so careful not to discuss anything beyond the first couple of episodes. Although I suspect there is something to seeing a normal Magical Girl anime, and then seeing something that flips it on it's head.

Here I am dragging it onto PMMM again.

Anyway back on topic. Saya No Uta is disturbing, but quite moving as well. One of the bad endings is probably my favourite, not so much because of the outcome, but because of some of the information it provides in regards to Saya. I have only played one other visual novel (Katawa Shoujo) and I'd say it hits just as hard as that one, albeit for different reasons.

The rape scene was probably the only part I insincerely wish wasn't included. Personally I felt that it was gratuitous and didn't fit in that well with the rest of it. It was handled fairly well for what it was, but I don't really see much point to it other than showing how depraved one of the characters becomes.

For those who are not too squeamish, don't have too strong disgust of lolicon and rape related content, it is definitely worth giving a try.