Swordsman and Andrea are currently owned by Fox as they are mutants and it doesn't matter if you don't call them mutants if they have the same backstory. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are owned by Marvel as they are avengers but they can't be named as Magneto's children as he is still owned by Fox.Dead Century said:Uh. Okay? Did you read what I wrote? I'm talking about using the Strucker twins, who are different characters from Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Baron Von Strucker is their father. Which would easily avoid the Magneto issue. Plus, you don't even have to call Swordsman or Andrea, mutants(because they aren't really, Arnim Zola simply experimented on them) just say they're 'genetically enhanced' or 'bio-engineered'.Sanunes said:snip
Not only Dr.Doom, alot of the characters in FF are awesome in avengers and other marvel movies, silver surfer, galactus, Namor....just to name a few.Trishbot said:I have noticed a distinct lack of X-men toys lately... While Captain America and Iron Man still have their own aisle.
If it helps get Fantastic Four back to Marvel faster, I'm all for it. Dr. Doom is a villain worthy of the Avengers.
Oh. I'm sorry. Wasn't aware of that. Damn. Well, that really does make it a bit difficult. Maybe Marvel and Joss Whedon should have just gone with Black Panther or whomever for new Avengers members in Age of Ultron. Would probably be easier than having write around character licensing issues.Zorg Machine said:Swordsman and Andrea are currently owned by Fox as they are mutants and it doesn't matter if you don't call them mutants if they have the same backstory. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are owned by Marvel as they are avengers but they can't be named as Magneto's children as he is still owned by Fox.Dead Century said:Uh. Okay? Did you read what I wrote? I'm talking about using the Strucker twins, who are different characters from Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Baron Von Strucker is their father. Which would easily avoid the Magneto issue. Plus, you don't even have to call Swordsman or Andrea, mutants(because they aren't really, Arnim Zola simply experimented on them) just say they're 'genetically enhanced' or 'bio-engineered'.Sanunes said:snip
The Strucker twins are owned by Fox as are their backstories and it doesn't matter if you call them mutants or not.
You can always CHANGE backstories. I mean, Thor's background in the movies is entirely different from the comics.Zorg Machine said:Swordsman and Andrea are currently owned by Fox as they are mutants and it doesn't matter if you don't call them mutants if they have the same backstory. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are owned by Marvel as they are avengers but they can't be named as Magneto's children as he is still owned by Fox.Dead Century said:Uh. Okay? Did you read what I wrote? I'm talking about using the Strucker twins, who are different characters from Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Baron Von Strucker is their father. Which would easily avoid the Magneto issue. Plus, you don't even have to call Swordsman or Andrea, mutants(because they aren't really, Arnim Zola simply experimented on them) just say they're 'genetically enhanced' or 'bio-engineered'.Sanunes said:snip
The Strucker twins are owned by Fox as are their backstories and it doesn't matter if you call them mutants or not.
Honestly I feel like what really killed it for me was that regardless of how cool some of the scenes were the simple fact thatScars Unseen said:Really? I just got finished watching Days of Future Past with my friends, and the one thing we pretty much all agreed on was that the movie was horrendously boring. Other than the Quicksilver scene and the scene where
it was pretty much a big snooze fest. It pretty much cemented in my head the notion that I would rather never see another X-Men movie made again than let Fox have another go at one.everyone gets ganked by the sentinels
Tell that to Hellblazer fans. Do they flock to Darth Keanu's doorstep or do they prefer the smarmy blonde badass? That much goes without saying. See, how good a movie is from a comic book is based upon rule of cool and accuracy to the content. If it's cool enough, it goes through. If it's accurate enough, it goes though. If it does both of these, it's super-win. If ir fails in one of theses, it's mediocre. If it fails in both of these, it's an absolute flop. Do any or all of the Avenger movies have the right stuff? Absolutely. Maybe not the Hulk, so much, but they made up for it later. What about Fantastic Four? Well, I didn't go see them, but I understand that 'not received well' was an understatement. So really, who has the better grasp of the material here? And on that basis, who REALLY will rabid comic book fans flock to?Aiddon said:well, that sounds incredibly stupid. It's not going to stop the movie from getting attention; the movies actually help the comics, not the other way around. Seems Marvel is making itself out to be a lot more influential than it really is.
It's because Quick Silver and Scarlet which were so deeply tied to events in the Avengers that Marvel can use it. BUT from what I understand they can not use the fact they are mutants as a back ground. So you can't say Magnito was their father or how they worked for the Brotherhood of Mutants.Uriel_Hayabusa said:I don't read many comics and don't follow the industry so I'm an outsider looking in when it comes to stuff like this. That being said, I wonder: what is up with this Quicksilver character? So, Marvel isn't allowed to use characters in their movies that Fox still has the rights to? Yet both Marvel and Fox have a Quicksilver, but the MCU's isn't a mutant so it's okay or something?*
"COMICS ARE WEIRD" indeed....
*That "He's no mutant" explanation is something I saw on another forum so I don't know if it's accurate.
Really? I thought Captain America 2 was way more entertaining and fun. Actually, all the Marvel films try to have fun and levity in their movies to a good degree. I mean, Thor 2 might have been a bore but I remember a lot of the joke moments.MrBaskerville said:It's a bit of a clusterfuck, but i will admit that i prefer what Fox is doing with X-Men right now, than what Marvel is doing with their movies. Days of Future Past reminded me how much fun superhero movies can be so obviously i wouldn't want Marvel to reclaim X-Men (Would probably also be a mess if it was included in the Marvel canon thingy), but i can see why they are angry. I don't know much about comics, but i do know that Fantastic Four and Xmen (and Spiderman) are a pretty big part of Marvels image (From a mainstream perspective).
Backward logic is often the go-to logic for a lot of people unfortunately. It's very possible that Marvel is so ticked at Fox that they are willing to shoot themselves in the foot if they think it will hurt Fox.Spot1990 said:What's more likely, Fantastic Four comics boosting ticket sales for the movie or, if the movie is good, it boosting comic sales? Because I think Marvel's logic is a bit backwards here.
It is heavily implied, but it happens so fast and if you don't already know that Quicksilver is Magneto's son there's a very good chance you'll miss it. It's literally one line and then Magneto makes a face for half a second and then it's gone. I caught it and thought it was amusing, but I think a good deal of people in my theater missed it because it was dead silent.Trishbot said:Also, is Quicksilver called Magneto's son in Days of Future Past either? I hear it's sort of implied, but not directly stated.
Frankly, they'd do better to pump up Polaris as Magneto's daughter. She's an actual X-men character...
Captain America 2 is one of the ones i haven't seen that i really want to see. It's not that they don't have their fun moments, it's just that i think most of them have been a bit messy storywise, especially Thor 2 and Iron Man 2, while The Avengers imo tries so hard to be fun that it forgets to have an engaging story. Future Past is the first in a while where i felt it had a good balance of story, characters and entertainment. Haven't seen any superhero movie as fun since X-Men 2, Spiderman 2 or maybe Iron Man 1. Just my personal opinion obviously.Chaos Isaac said:Really? I thought Captain America 2 was way more entertaining and fun. Actually, all the Marvel films try to have fun and levity in their movies to a good degree. I mean, Thor 2 might have been a bore but I remember a lot of the joke moments.MrBaskerville said:It's a bit of a clusterfuck, but i will admit that i prefer what Fox is doing with X-Men right now, than what Marvel is doing with their movies. Days of Future Past reminded me how much fun superhero movies can be so obviously i wouldn't want Marvel to reclaim X-Men (Would probably also be a mess if it was included in the Marvel canon thingy), but i can see why they are angry. I don't know much about comics, but i do know that Fantastic Four and Xmen (and Spiderman) are a pretty big part of Marvels image (From a mainstream perspective).
Hellblazer is a different situation, because (for the most part) the only people that are familiar with the character are the ones that have read the comics.FalloutJack said:Tell that to Hellblazer fans. Do they flock to Darth Keanu's doorstep or do they prefer the smarmy blonde badass? That much goes without saying. See, how good a movie is from a comic book is based upon rule of cool and accuracy to the content. If it's cool enough, it goes through. If it's accurate enough, it goes though. If it does both of these, it's super-win. If ir fails in one of theses, it's mediocre. If it fails in both of these, it's an absolute flop. Do any or all of the Avenger movies have the right stuff? Absolutely. Maybe not the Hulk, so much, but they made up for it later. What about Fantastic Four? Well, I didn't go see them, but I understand that 'not received well' was an understatement. So really, who has the better grasp of the material here? And on that basis, who REALLY will rabid comic book fans flock to?Aiddon said:well, that sounds incredibly stupid. It's not going to stop the movie from getting attention; the movies actually help the comics, not the other way around. Seems Marvel is making itself out to be a lot more influential than it really is.
What? After two shitty movies? Not nearly as much as you're thinking. Reed Richards Is Useless, indeed.UltimatheChosen said:because (for the most part) the only people that are familiar with the character are the ones that have read the comics.
By contrast, the Fantastic Four are known even to people that don't read comics. If you cancel their series, it doesn't affect the movies at all. The comic fans are probably gonna see it anyways, and the non-comic fans aren't even going to know that the series was cancelled in the first place.
Which is why I doubt that Marvel is cancelling the series to hurt the movie. Not only would it be absurdly spiteful, it would also be ineffective.
They could go with an off hand, indirect mention of something like, "Our dad's kind of a jerk but he is always trying to do what is best for "our people".BoredRolePlayer said:It's because Quick Silver and Scarlet which were so deeply tied to events in the Avengers that Marvel can use it. BUT from what I understand they can not use the fact they are mutants as a back ground. So you can't say Magnito was their father or how they worked for the Brotherhood of Mutants.Uriel_Hayabusa said:I don't read many comics and don't follow the industry so I'm an outsider looking in when it comes to stuff like this. That being said, I wonder: what is up with this Quicksilver character? So, Marvel isn't allowed to use characters in their movies that Fox still has the rights to? Yet both Marvel and Fox have a Quicksilver, but the MCU's isn't a mutant so it's okay or something?*
"COMICS ARE WEIRD" indeed....
*That "He's no mutant" explanation is something I saw on another forum so I don't know if it's accurate.
spider-man makes a deal with the devil to save his aunt from a gunshot wound so deadly nobody in the whole marvel universe can do anything about it. the reason being that the editors thought stable relationships are boring and this seemed to them the best way to break up him and MJ.RealRT said:What stupid shit? I follow Spider-Man comics since 2013 Superior Spider-Man run and it was awesome.teebeeohh said:if this is true i will assume that all the stupid shit happening in spider-man is an attempt to hurt sony and not just simple stupidity.