Aiddon said:
SeeDarkly_Xero said:
(though what Fox did with Quicksilver was by far a bigger dick move and I have yet to be convinced that DoFP gained anything significant from his inclusion)
The fact that everyone who saw it, including people who didn't like the movie, saying that Quicksilver was one of the best parts of it. Heck, he's even going to have a bigger part in the next film. So, yeah, looks like they DID gain something significant.
That actually convinces me of nothing. "The fact" is not "a fact;" it's only what some have heard, not "everyone."
DoFP, by every indication I've been given from anyone who has seen it and even those who enjoy his role, did not NEED the addition of Quicksilver to make the story work. Everything I've seen said thus far has been that it looked fantastic, but there is no question it wasn't ever part of the original build of the story. Because it wasn't. It was fully written without him when Fox/Singer decided to add him to the film as a DIRECT response to Whedon announcing the twins would be in Avengers 2.
So yeah, they HAD to make the moment stick out... and clearly it does; even to the extent that some consider it somewhat out of place with the rest of the film.
I have yet to see it so I can't judge fairly from that angle. In fact, I can fairly admit a bit of prejudice on the point.
Especially when the first thing I got to see of DoFP's Quicksilver was a Carl's Jr. breakfast sandwich ad that started airing directly following the weekend of Captain America TWS (which I won't spoil the post credit scene to say why that was relevant and also another dick move.) So not only was the move to utilize him reactionary to the Avenger's news but the first thing we see of him is cheap, gimmicky, promotional tie-in.
I will see it. I imagine I'll be impressed with the cinematography. But I doubt I'll consider it anything they HAD to have added to make the film better. I'm half tempted to wait for the DVD and not watch his part just so I can see how the film works without it first. After all... it's really hard to un-see things.
But the initial point stands... no matter how great a scene it was in the film, it was a move meant to screw Marvel and "protect their rights" more than anything else. The fact that they've doubled-down on Peters role for Apocalypse just furthers the point.
From the comics as source material... it's unwarranted. Quicksilver at no point had any role in the original Days of Future Past or anything related to Apocalypse. So many characters at their disposal... but they "have" to include him?
It's choice. (As it turns out it's a choice that will end with DOFP grossing less in two weeks than Capt. America TWS did in the same amount of time. Cap stayed #1 for 3 weeks. DoFP has fallen from #1 after one.) All that fanfare, but in the end it's seen for what it is.
faefrost said:
I suspect that if the rumor is true it is less about the comics themselves, after all what is the circulation of individual comics? 100,000? Maybe 200,000 if FF gets anywhere near that? No the thing Marvel is shutting down is the merchandising. Notice how we do not see a bunch of X Men toys on shelves to correspond to the DofP movie? Not a lot of related products. Sony used to have merchandising rights to their movies until they sold them back to Marvel. But I don't think Fox has ever had them for any of it's movie licenses. And the Merchandising is where the pop culture lives. Without it what does the general public know of Fantastic Four? Just the previous two bad Fox movies. Show of hands? Who will run out to see more of that?
Marvel is particularly pissed at Fox regarding the FF. When Fox was losing the rights to Daredevil, Electra, Punisher and Ghost Rider (possibly Blade to? I don't remember?) Marvel offered to extend them in a trade. They wanted some of the FF's Cosmic characters back. Galactus, Silver Surfer, Anihilus and the Skrulls. Obviously they wanted to use them for their Phase 3 plans, probably some variation on the Anihilation story arc. Fox said no in some ways that really pissed off the Marvel higher ups.
The new F4 title circulation was est. 65,000 for its first issue and has fallen to almost 35,000 by its third.
If anything, they probably tried to negotiate sharing Skrull rights specifically to include them in Avengers.
Dead Century said:
Well, Peter Parker did turn into Man-Spider in the 90s animated cartoon and that was before the 2002 movie.
Parker as "Man-Spider" was introduced in the comicbook before the cartoon.