Rumor: New Superman Movie Will Reboot Krypton
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Because he's a director who cares more about style than substance, is unable to convey emotional depth or meaning, and thinks that staying as superficially close to source material as he can will automatically make a good film. A hack.Sutter Cane said:
I wanted to love Watchmen, but Watchmen did not love me.
I like Zak Snyder's surreal style, however I'm not entirely sure if I care for his version of Krypton. If he's going to do it, I think "Star Wars" is a bad idea for inspiration, and he should probably be looking towards the actual scenes of Krypton from the comics, including it's "old school" science fiction vibe which has remained up until fairly recent times. "Star Wars" is decades old now, but fairly "traditional" in presentation, and it really wouldn't stick out. Krypton really works best when it's kind of goofy.
See, the problem with doing Superman in movies is that there is this fixation with trying to make super heroes more "realistic" and seem like something that could actually exist. That's a problem, and part of what went wrong with the last Superman reboot. Superman is by definition a campy character, and the trick to doing him well is to have him radiate cheez, but to make sure it's DELICIOUS cheez and a lot of fun. Zak is a good choice for director with his somewhat surreal, and over-the-top style, if he can channel that and make it a little less dreamlike, he can pull off Superman I think. However if he starts trying to get too serious by way of going with realistic science fiction cityscapes for Krypton and such... that's a mistake.
See, it's important to understand that we've had things like Kryptonian cities surviving in force bubbles and the like. What's more the destruction of the civilization is multi-faceted, being in part a lack of wanting to accept the threat, but also apparently a moral issue where the Kryptonians kept themselves planet locked for fear of what their species might wind up doing in the greater universe (envision billions of versions of Superman, but running the gamut of prsonality types rather than being the moral paragon he was raised to be). You need to be able to convey a civilization like this, in very inhuman terms, and make it cheezy and over the top enough where if for example they decide to introduce Supergirl later on in a more traditional mould, it can be somewhat accepted that yes, the Kryptonians could do something that ridiculous, and yes it's possible that somehow this has not affected the rest of the universe due to their isolationism.
See, the problem with doing Superman in movies is that there is this fixation with trying to make super heroes more "realistic" and seem like something that could actually exist. That's a problem, and part of what went wrong with the last Superman reboot. Superman is by definition a campy character, and the trick to doing him well is to have him radiate cheez, but to make sure it's DELICIOUS cheez and a lot of fun. Zak is a good choice for director with his somewhat surreal, and over-the-top style, if he can channel that and make it a little less dreamlike, he can pull off Superman I think. However if he starts trying to get too serious by way of going with realistic science fiction cityscapes for Krypton and such... that's a mistake.
See, it's important to understand that we've had things like Kryptonian cities surviving in force bubbles and the like. What's more the destruction of the civilization is multi-faceted, being in part a lack of wanting to accept the threat, but also apparently a moral issue where the Kryptonians kept themselves planet locked for fear of what their species might wind up doing in the greater universe (envision billions of versions of Superman, but running the gamut of prsonality types rather than being the moral paragon he was raised to be). You need to be able to convey a civilization like this, in very inhuman terms, and make it cheezy and over the top enough where if for example they decide to introduce Supergirl later on in a more traditional mould, it can be somewhat accepted that yes, the Kryptonians could do something that ridiculous, and yes it's possible that somehow this has not affected the rest of the universe due to their isolationism.
I do not really see him as a hack because his movies are Imaginitive and that is why I love them. Unlike Christopher Nolan who I consider a hack because of his outstanding level of Blandness. I never forget Snyder films. I ALWAYS forget Nolan films.Noelveiga said:
I found Inception to be quite average. My friends fell asleep during it and I wasn't that interested. It was a non sensical action film that couldn't calm down for five minutes and be the "Deep" film it was supposed to be. I kept waiting for a moment that makes the movie special and the credits rolled before I found one. It had a tired open ending that actually wasn't open at all because, why would it tip at all if it was a dream? And that stupid ending along with a few cool effects are the only semi memorable parts of that film. And the Dark Knight paled in comparison to the Burton classic. It lacked all of the cleverness and direction that the original film had and EVERYONE in the Dark Knight did not talk like a real person. They gave long speaches about morality and law that no one could just make up on the fly. The Burton film was "understated" not the Nolan film. Also I find Michael Bay to be a hack is well for obvious reasons.Noelveiga said:
Fair enough but I still really like Snyder because 300 is one of my favorite action films ever because of how rediculously entertaining it was (plus I loved the style of it) so I didn't just come to hate. (Though I did go over board on Nolan for absolutely no reason. Im not really sure why I did that.)Noelveiga said:
In other Superman news, it appears that Christopher Reeve will not be reprising his role...
Yeah, it was pretty much a certainty we were going to see, and it'd probably be different cause, you know, this is a different movie.
Yeah, it was pretty much a certainty we were going to see, and it'd probably be different cause, you know, this is a different movie.
I think Synder is beautiful visual director, but in terms of depth he's pretty damn terrible. Watchmen to me is a prime example of this; Snyder obviously loved the source material but it seemed to me like the majority of it had gone completely over his head. There's a lot of laugh out loud awkard moments in the film, mainly because Zack just doesn't seem to know what to do when things go more than an inch below the surface. Like the rape scene which he decided to visualize with a slow mo unzipping of a fly. Or the sex scene which was two semi nude panels in the book and was what felt like a 20 minute scene that was more gratuitous than most porn in the film. And then there's the ending...not so much the changes (which wern't awful) but more that whole 3rd act which just felt...weird and awkward. Like the movie had already ended and now they were just killing time.
That being said I do like a couple of Synders movies, namely the Dawn of the Dead remake and 300, mainly because they were big dumb fun. Superman is a source material I feel he could do wonders with under the right conditions, like having Christopher Nolan slap him about whenever he wants to do something Sucker Punch-ish. But I don't know, a lot of this news isn't making me happy. Zod has been done, done really well in fact. I'd say bring in Brainiac like the recent Geoff Johns story portrayed him, or maybe (though I doubt many people would agree with me) have Luthor as a master mind behind a more physical superman villain, namely Bizzaro. Bizzaro is a character I've always felt like you could do something really interesting with. He's Frankeinsteins monster but even more twisted; Bizzaro thinks he's a bonevolent god like figure when he's in fact a twisted freak.
Still...fingers crossed.
That being said I do like a couple of Synders movies, namely the Dawn of the Dead remake and 300, mainly because they were big dumb fun. Superman is a source material I feel he could do wonders with under the right conditions, like having Christopher Nolan slap him about whenever he wants to do something Sucker Punch-ish. But I don't know, a lot of this news isn't making me happy. Zod has been done, done really well in fact. I'd say bring in Brainiac like the recent Geoff Johns story portrayed him, or maybe (though I doubt many people would agree with me) have Luthor as a master mind behind a more physical superman villain, namely Bizzaro. Bizzaro is a character I've always felt like you could do something really interesting with. He's Frankeinsteins monster but even more twisted; Bizzaro thinks he's a bonevolent god like figure when he's in fact a twisted freak.
Still...fingers crossed.
Uhm, Krypton doesn't really last long, does it?
Otherwise, they're gonna have a real problem explaining Kryptonite.
Otherwise, they're gonna have a real problem explaining Kryptonite.
Yeah that sounds about right.Noelveiga said:I don't know. Probably because I went overboard on Snyder for no reason, so it felt rightImSkeletor said:
Agree to disagree it is.
Agree to disagree it is then.
Urgh why do we have to see the same stuff from Superman movies...
Why can't we see Superman fight Brainiac or (make my fan boy dreams come true) DARKSEID. Yea Zod is an interesting character and I personally can't wait for the inevitable KNEEL BEFORE ZOD! but I personally want to see Apokolips on the big screen instead of Krypton.
Why can't we see Superman fight Brainiac or (make my fan boy dreams come true) DARKSEID. Yea Zod is an interesting character and I personally can't wait for the inevitable KNEEL BEFORE ZOD! but I personally want to see Apokolips on the big screen instead of Krypton.
Considering the whole basis of Man of Steel was that it was going to be a reboot, then it only makes sense that they go whole turkey on it.
Daniel Day-Lewis as Jor-El? Well...
I think it would be about time that Brainiac hit the big screen. Darkseid would be perfect for the follow-up from there.
Daniel Day-Lewis as Jor-El? Well...
Patience, we had to deal with Scarecrow in Batman Begins before we got Joker in Dark Knight.spectrenihlus said:
I think it would be about time that Brainiac hit the big screen. Darkseid would be perfect for the follow-up from there.