Rumor: Vita's Digital Games Will Be Cheaper

[Treblaine]

Yes, but WHY would they do that?

Not worth the effort? There is ZERO EFFORT! Sony can do all the leg-work. The publishers own the right to the game, not responsibility to port it to a system they don't even control! All that needs to be done is stick the game within an emulation profile. There is no way that they have better things to do with their time then answer a call from big-shots like Sony who want to give them a lot of money.

Unless if Sony never calls them in the first place. Because they are incompetent and no one is actually responsible and accountable for such things.

So wait you think sony is going to pull people who are working on a new game off of that in order to port a few games to the playstation store? I really want to know how you expect sony to start porting games onto the playstation store. Do you expect them to pull workers out of their asses to do the job? Do you honestly think they have people sitting around with nothing better to do?

There is also the extremely obvious questions such as why would a company let sony port their game to the ps store? Why would a company trust somebody else to port a game when if it ends up buggy its going to look bad on them?

Also have you ever thought that mabey just mabey those companies might want to release the games at a later date as a collection?

I think its best that you just leave this matter alone since you clearly do not understand all that is involved in this process. Just because something could be profitable for a company does not mean that they should do that.

Port. No.

Emulate. Yes.

Emulation profiles are simple to just drop-in and go. Pirates have been doing it in their spare time since 2005. No "porting" is needed. PSV is MORE than powerful enough to emulate PS2 and Dreamcast games using a common emulator program. NO PORTING NEEDED! All it takes is a few man-hours setting up for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF REVENUE!! If not millions. Remember, A game for $10 only has to sell to 1 in 10 customers of a platform with 1-million install base and it will have surpassed $1 million in revenue!

Bugs? Nobody gives a shit about a few bugs. Look at Skyrim. Better a game with a few bugs that can be patched out (and with the revenue flowing in there IS the reason and capital to do so) rather than no game AT ALL!

Also have you ever thought that mabey[sic] just mabey[sic] those companies might want to release the games at a later date as a collection?

Who says they can't?

Releasing the game on PSV doesn't devalue the game on some nebulous collection. It didn't for Metal Gear Solid getting a PSN release in Japan and being included in their MGS HD collection later. Again, nothing but excuses. Enough of this ignorant apologetics.

I think its best that you just leave this matter alone since you clearly do not understand

That's rich coming from someone who doesn't seem to even be aware of how emulation works. Nor of market precedents. I think it is best that YOU leave this matter!

Just because something could be profitable for a company does not mean that they should do that.

Well, yes it is. Profit is the reason they do ANYTHING. But there is more than that reason:
-increases value of PSV so increasing sales and success of the platform
-counter the appeal of piracy by doing their work better
-improve publisher/manufacturer relations
-rekindle interest in older franchises for future releases
-artistically the audience can be more in touch with roots of older games
-preservation of older games in digital marketplace

My god. The list goes ON AND ON!

Why are you against this?!?!?

 

[weirdee]

Nintendo's virtual console is just dropping the game into an emulator already, so we know that it'll work easily

it's just a [redacted] chasing after old game rights

 

[GonzoGamer]

Wow, you mean that they're going to be doing what they should've done when they started the PSN store?

If they really want people to buy a Vita, they should've given the PS3 & PSP better support. As someone who owns both of those, it's going to be a long long time before I buy another Playstation product.

 

[-Seraph-]

Here's the thing though: the PS Vita is basically being advertised as a mini-PS3, with games of similar graphical quality being available for it. If so, how big are these digital downloads going to be? Sony invested in a 50GB disc to make sure games didn't have to be split over multiple discs for the PS3. If you purchase the 32GB memory card, then decide to download some Vita games, how many are you going to be able to download before your memory card is full and you need to get a new one? Because if they're planning on releasing games like Uncharted and Killzone on the Vita, they're going to need a heck of a lot more than 32GB.

Actually, the games aren't much bigger than most PSP game currently. Sony mentioned a wile back that there will t be varrying storage capactities for the game carts to suit the different types of games devs make. There will be 2gb-4gb game carts (and possibly smaller) from the get go that des can choose to use depending on their game. Games will most likely not exceed the 2-4gb limit for a long time if ever; and plently of games would be way less than 2gb.

A game like sound shapes or Escape Plan is not going to require much storage capacity as compared to something like Uncharted, so it would opt for the smaller game cart. This in turn means they're cheaper than you AAA Uncharted and Resistance game. They can get away the near identical graphical fidelity as the PS3 because it's all being rendered on a smaller screen, thus lower resolution. Pretty much getting away with a less is more approach to get visuals that good.

Even if you fill up you memory card, it's not like you need to purchase another one. They will pretty much just update the MediaGo software that you can already use for your PSP. You can download games onto your PS3 or PC and have them stored there for when you DO want to transfer them over to your stick and play them while you delete/back-up whatever game you decide to shelf for the time being. With a 32GB stick you can easily carry around 15 games, and that is plenty to have on hand for wherever you are going.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

You know WHY they became "emulation machines" in the pirate sense?

Yes, because they were retardedley easy to mod.

It wasn't for lack of security, hacking those things is harder than modding an Xbox 360.

Oh yes it was for a lack of security. All you needed was a Pandora's Battery and a Magic Memory Stick. I used to mod 5-10 PSPs a day, each taking less than 2 minutes and none of which involved me doing more than putting a battery and memory card in and turning it on. What kind of system ships with the ability to boot off the memory card if you use a "special" battery? Mind you, a battery that can be made using anyone's CFW PSP. No tools needed.

It was because Sony did such a piss poor job of even attempting to sell the old games, and the few they did sell were not at competitive prices.

That's just a sidenote.

 

[Treblaine]

You know WHY they became "emulation machines" in the pirate sense?

Yes, because they were retardedley easy to mod.

It wasn't for lack of security, hacking those things is harder than modding an Xbox 360.

Oh yes it was for a lack of security. All you needed was a Pandora's Battery and a Magic Memory Stick. I used to mod 5-10 PSPs a day, each taking less than 2 minutes and none of which involved me doing more than putting a battery and memory card in and turning it on. What kind of system ships with the ability to boot off the memory card if you use a "special" battery? Mind you, a battery that can be made using anyone's CFW PSP. No tools needed.

It was because Sony did such a piss poor job of even attempting to sell the old games, and the few they did sell were not at competitive prices.

That's just a sidenote.

Easy for YOU maybe but the number of times I've heard "all you need" and then goes into a long paragraph just outlining the basic setup. The thing is to hack a PSP you need:
-2 specialist components that are hard to find and even harder to make
-if you make a mistake you could very likely brick your PSP
-you need to have the confidence to follow a series of non-intuitive steps.

This is way more complicated than, say, pirating PC games. Or even hacking a 360 that only needs a SATA cable!

Question: how much did you CHARGE to modify these PSP, I of course assume you only modified peoples PSPs to run custom generated code, and other content the user has rights to (not to piracy).

 

[LiquidSolstice]

You know WHY they became "emulation machines" in the pirate sense?

Yes, because they were retardedley easy to mod.

It wasn't for lack of security, hacking those things is harder than modding an Xbox 360.

Oh yes it was for a lack of security. All you needed was a Pandora's Battery and a Magic Memory Stick. I used to mod 5-10 PSPs a day, each taking less than 2 minutes and none of which involved me doing more than putting a battery and memory card in and turning it on. What kind of system ships with the ability to boot off the memory card if you use a "special" battery? Mind you, a battery that can be made using anyone's CFW PSP. No tools needed.

It was because Sony did such a piss poor job of even attempting to sell the old games, and the few they did sell were not at competitive prices.

That's just a sidenote.

Easy for YOU maybe but the number of times I've heard "all you need" and then goes into a long paragraph just outlining the basic setup. The thing is to hack a PSP you need:
-2 specialist components that are hard to find and even harder to make
-if you make a mistake you could very likely brick your PSP
-you need to have the confidence to follow a series of non-intuitive steps.

This is way more complicated than, say, pirating PC games. Or even hacking a 360 that only needs a SATA cable!

Question: how much did you CHARGE to modify these PSP, I of course assume you only modified peoples PSPs to run custom generated code, and other content the user has rights to (not to piracy).

Um, no. Those "two specialist compoenents" are not hard to find and are not hard to make. There's a PSP app that turns any regular battery into a Pandora's Battery (and back again) and there's a simple Windows app that just makes any Memory Stick Pro Duo into a Magic Memory Stick. Both a Pandora's Battery and an MMS can be used normally even afer creation.

It's not non-intuitive at all, if you've ever installed Windows on a computer, you can do it. Then again, with the way you're talking about it, I don't think you ever did it.

Although it's not relavent at all, I didn't charge anyone money to mod their PSP. Someone in my lecture hall way back when found out I could do it easily, the word spread, and since it took less than 2 minutes per PSP, I'd just casually do it for people.

It's not about the legality, just the fact that it's retardedley easy to do it. Just because you may have been intimidated by a few steps from varying guides doesn't mean everyone else was.

 

[Treblaine]

You know WHY they became "emulation machines" in the pirate sense?

Yes, because they were retardedley easy to mod.

It wasn't for lack of security, hacking those things is harder than modding an Xbox 360.

Oh yes it was for a lack of security. All you needed was a Pandora's Battery and a Magic Memory Stick. I used to mod 5-10 PSPs a day, each taking less than 2 minutes and none of which involved me doing more than putting a battery and memory card in and turning it on. What kind of system ships with the ability to boot off the memory card if you use a "special" battery? Mind you, a battery that can be made using anyone's CFW PSP. No tools needed.

It was because Sony did such a piss poor job of even attempting to sell the old games, and the few they did sell were not at competitive prices.

That's just a sidenote.

Easy for YOU maybe but the number of times I've heard "all you need" and then goes into a long paragraph just outlining the basic setup. The thing is to hack a PSP you need:
-2 specialist components that are hard to find and even harder to make
-if you make a mistake you could very likely brick your PSP
-you need to have the confidence to follow a series of non-intuitive steps.

This is way more complicated than, say, pirating PC games. Or even hacking a 360 that only needs a SATA cable!

Question: how much did you CHARGE to modify these PSP, I of course assume you only modified peoples PSPs to run custom generated code, and other content the user has rights to (not to piracy).

Um, no. Those "two specialist compoenents" are not hard to find and are not hard to make. There's a PSP app that turns any regular battery into a Pandora's Battery (and back again) and there's a simple Windows app that just makes any Memory Stick Pro Duo into a Magic Memory Stick. Both a Pandora's Battery and an MMS can be used normally even afer creation.

It's not non-intuitive at all, if you've ever installed Windows on a computer, you can do it. Then again, with the way you're talking about it, I don't think you ever did it.

Although it's not relavent at all, I didn't charge anyone money to mod their PSP. Someone in my lecture hall way back when found out I could do it easily, the word spread, and since it took less than 2 minutes per PSP, I'd just casually do it for people.

It's not about the legality, just the fact that it's retardedley easy to do it. Just because you may have been intimidated by a few steps from varying guides doesn't mean everyone else was.

OK, stop exaggerating.

You are clearly very experienced in this and you have done it dozens of times apparently for everyone in your lecture hall who wanted it.

And THAT says everything about how easy it really is... YOU DID IT FOR THEM!

If it is "retardedley(sic) easy" why didn't you just tell them all to do it for themselves? Doing it for them you open up liability and it's not JUST 2-minutes you have to take it from them, and get it back to them and if you screw up you owe someone else a lot of money.

Because it is NOT actually that easy. You can't dismiss your friends but with anonymity on the internet you can say what you like to complete strangers! By saying it is "retardedley(sic) easy" are calling anyone who can't hack a PSP less competent than someone who is mentally handicapped, which is a guarded exaggeration if there ever is one.

You may not have a problem with money as you are fortunate enough to have a provider. But if you were living off your hard-work and talent, would you STILL not charge to hack peoples' PSPs? Would you still be so charitable while you struggle to pay the rent?

 

[LiquidSolstice]

You know WHY they became "emulation machines" in the pirate sense?

Yes, because they were retardedley easy to mod.

It wasn't for lack of security, hacking those things is harder than modding an Xbox 360.

Oh yes it was for a lack of security. All you needed was a Pandora's Battery and a Magic Memory Stick. I used to mod 5-10 PSPs a day, each taking less than 2 minutes and none of which involved me doing more than putting a battery and memory card in and turning it on. What kind of system ships with the ability to boot off the memory card if you use a "special" battery? Mind you, a battery that can be made using anyone's CFW PSP. No tools needed.

It was because Sony did such a piss poor job of even attempting to sell the old games, and the few they did sell were not at competitive prices.

That's just a sidenote.

Easy for YOU maybe but the number of times I've heard "all you need" and then goes into a long paragraph just outlining the basic setup. The thing is to hack a PSP you need:
-2 specialist components that are hard to find and even harder to make
-if you make a mistake you could very likely brick your PSP
-you need to have the confidence to follow a series of non-intuitive steps.

This is way more complicated than, say, pirating PC games. Or even hacking a 360 that only needs a SATA cable!

Question: how much did you CHARGE to modify these PSP, I of course assume you only modified peoples PSPs to run custom generated code, and other content the user has rights to (not to piracy).

Um, no. Those "two specialist compoenents" are not hard to find and are not hard to make. There's a PSP app that turns any regular battery into a Pandora's Battery (and back again) and there's a simple Windows app that just makes any Memory Stick Pro Duo into a Magic Memory Stick. Both a Pandora's Battery and an MMS can be used normally even afer creation.

It's not non-intuitive at all, if you've ever installed Windows on a computer, you can do it. Then again, with the way you're talking about it, I don't think you ever did it.

Although it's not relavent at all, I didn't charge anyone money to mod their PSP. Someone in my lecture hall way back when found out I could do it easily, the word spread, and since it took less than 2 minutes per PSP, I'd just casually do it for people.

It's not about the legality, just the fact that it's retardedley easy to do it. Just because you may have been intimidated by a few steps from varying guides doesn't mean everyone else was.

OK, stop exaggerating.

You are clearly very experienced in this and you have done it dozens of times apparently for everyone in your lecture hall who wanted it.

And THAT says everything about how easy it really is... YOU DID IT FOR THEM!

If it is "retardedley(sic) easy" why didn't you just tell them all to do it for themselves? Doing it for them you open up liability and it's not JUST 2-minutes you have to take it from them, and get it back to them and if you screw up you owe someone else a lot of money.

Because it is NOT actually that easy. You can't dismiss your friends but with anonymity on the internet you can say what you like to complete strangers! By saying it is "retardedley(sic) easy" are calling anyone who can't hack a PSP less competent than someone who is mentally handicapped, which is a guarded exaggeration if there ever is one.

You may not have a problem with money as you are fortunate enough to have a provider. But if you were living off your hard-work and talent, would you STILL not charge to hack peoples' PSPs? Would you still be so charitable while you struggle to pay the rent?

I really don't know what the fuck your deal is, what I did is not something that only "experienced" people can do. It's just that some people are lazy and others are misinformed, I really don't need you to explain to me what it is I know. I didn't exaggerate anything in my post, I'm not sure if you know what the word "exaggerate" means.

After you know what PSPs can be modded and which can't (which it's really not hard to check, it's just the first few digits of the serial number on the bottom, you don't even need to open it to check), I don't need to worry about "bricking" anything because it's a very simple foolproof process. Inert memory card, insert battery, and you press X to install CFW. I shit you not, its as easy as that.

If you take issue with me using the nonexistent word "retardedley" (you use brackets to denote [sic], by the way, not parentheses), fine, it's ridiculously easy to do.

In the same way that you help someone with their computer even though it's probably something they could easily do on their own, it's very, very easy to modify a PSP.

And what the bloody hell is with the money part? I didn't charge anyone to mod their PSP because A) it would be cheating them out of their money and B) I know damn well what they want to use their modded PSPs for, I'm not going to take part in any exchange of money for it. I don't know why you're so fixated on the fact I didn't ask for any money for it, would it have been more acceptable to you if I did?

You're hilarious, I don't know why you're making such a big deal about it. Modding a PSP is ridiculously easy, far easier than it is to mod a 360. I know because I used to (back when I had time in school) mod all sorts of different machines.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Also, I should add that I won't post links to the tools, but it seriously is a one-click tool to make both a Pandora's Battery AND make a Magic Memory Stick. It's not rocket science, it's much easier than installing an OS on a computer.

But even then, I don't even think you know what point you're trying to make, so maybe I shouldn't be bothering. You're kind of all over the place, the "charitable/pay the rent" bullshit was totally left-field and I have no idea where that came from.

 

[Treblaine]

Also, I should add that I won't post links to the tools, but it seriously is a one-click tool to make both a Pandora's Battery AND make a Magic Memory Stick. It's not rocket science, it's much easier than installing an OS on a computer.

But even then, I don't even think you know what point you're trying to make, so maybe I shouldn't be bothering. You're kind of all over the place, the "charitable/pay the rent" bullshit was totally left-field and I have no idea where that came from.

Whatever you say buddy. You can insist over and over again but the people I know and trust on these matters say categorically it is much harder to mod a PSP than an Xbox 360.

That still leaves the issue of why PSPs are hacked much more often than Xbox-360s.

 

[harvz]

so...as an aussie i can expect the average $110 price on the retail and probably a small discount going digital.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Also, I should add that I won't post links to the tools, but it seriously is a one-click tool to make both a Pandora's Battery AND make a Magic Memory Stick. It's not rocket science, it's much easier than installing an OS on a computer.

But even then, I don't even think you know what point you're trying to make, so maybe I shouldn't be bothering. You're kind of all over the place, the "charitable/pay the rent" bullshit was totally left-field and I have no idea where that came from.

Whatever you say buddy. You can insist over and over again but the people I know and trust on these matters say categorically it is much harder to mod a PSP than an Xbox 360.

That still leaves the issue of why PSPs are hacked much more often than Xbox-360s.

I don't give two shits what you think. I know what I know and seeing as you've never done it before, I have no doubt I know far more about this than you do. That doesn't leave any issue because you've just decided to create a fact out of what you heard from the so-called "people you trust", since you obviously have never even bothered to see how it's done.

Modding a PSP is bloody easy, you're just too stubborn to admit it.

Seriously, this is getting freaking annoying. I won't post links to the only two tools you need because I don't know the rules on posting such things, but the simple fact that you are so infernally convinced you know what's what is just mind-boggling.

 

[Treblaine]

Also, I should add that I won't post links to the tools, but it seriously is a one-click tool to make both a Pandora's Battery AND make a Magic Memory Stick. It's not rocket science, it's much easier than installing an OS on a computer.

But even then, I don't even think you know what point you're trying to make, so maybe I shouldn't be bothering. You're kind of all over the place, the "charitable/pay the rent" bullshit was totally left-field and I have no idea where that came from.

Whatever you say buddy. You can insist over and over again but the people I know and trust on these matters say categorically it is much harder to mod a PSP than an Xbox 360.

That still leaves the issue of why PSPs are hacked much more often than Xbox-360s.

I don't give two shits what you think. I know what I know and seeing as you've never done it before, I have no doubt I know far more about this than you do. That doesn't leave any issue because you've just decided to create a fact out of what you heard from the so-called "people you trust", since you obviously have never even bothered to see how it's done.

Modding a PSP is bloody easy, you're just too stubborn to admit it.

Seriously, this is getting freaking annoying. I won't post links to the only two tools you need because I don't know the rules on posting such things, but the simple fact that you are so infernally convinced you know what's what is just mind-boggling.

And who says I've never done this?

I have done it. And I've even reversed it back to official firmware...


Yep. I put the firmware on to emulate games and when said games FINALLY appeared on Europe PSN store I kept my promise and went back and bought the games I wanted. But I know not many others have done such a process.

I don't give two shits what you think.

Yet you reply.... just to contradict my OPINION! Everyone has an opinion, what is so special about mine?

You don't need to provide those links, I have seen them for myself AND followed them. Even after building my own PC by myself if found it a harder and more stressful process than assembling my own gaming PC. Not least because I was having to go through all this bullshit when I knew Sony could and should be legitimately providing such things as I wanted to get, and when they finally did I went back to official firmware.

I've given Sony more chances than I think most others would, but I know where their shortcomings are and it wasn't for for the ease of hacking their devices. It was for there failure at being good salesmen.

I hope you appreciate what I have been saying, that Sony needed to be a good salesman, give us the games we want and will pay for. We WILL buy them and won't hack our devices en mass. I'm am hugely in favour of the minority hacking to push the limits to show to the big companies what their devices are really capable of and that they BETTER live up to what the hackers can do or they will lose business.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

And who says I've never done this?

I have done it. And I've even reversed it back to official firmware...

It took you this long in this argument to bring it up?

Yep. I put the firmware on to emulate games and when said games FINALLY appeared on Europe PSN store I kept my promise and went back and bought the games I wanted. But I know not many others have done such a process.

That's wonderful. I hope you sleep better at night for that.

Yet you reply.... just to contradict my OPINION! Everyone has an opinion, what is so special about mine?

Oh, nothing at all, just the fact that you rejected my experience, decided I was wrong, and then using that as a newly created fact, you decided that there still is the question as to why PSPs are hacked more often. Opinion as fine, treating it as fact is not. I haven't given you a shred of my opinion, just my experience.

You don't need to provide those links, I have seen them for myself AND followed them. Even after building my own PC by myself if found it a harder and more stressful process than assembling my own gaming PC.

Then your gaming PC must have come put together for you already, with you only needing to plug in a mouse, because that's the only way that would hold true. I would love to know what process you followed which was harder and more stressful than putting together a PC.

Not least because I was having to go through all this bullshit when I knew Sony could and should be legitimately providing such things as I wanted to get, and when they finally did I went back to official firmware.

Again, I don't know why you keep bringing this up. If you're insecure about the fact that you modded your PSP, that's your problem, I frankly don't give a damn. This isn't a confessional, this is about facts relating to how easy it is to mod a PSP.

I've given Sony more chances than I think most others would, but I know where their shortcomings are and it wasn't for for the ease of hacking their devices. It was for there failure at being good salesmen.

See, it's funny to me that you first say it's your opinion that PSPs were not easy to hack, but then you turn around and say that you know PSPs were not known for their "ease of hacking". Which is it? Or are you incapable of maintaining a single stance?

Your logic is flawed. Microsoft is full of damn good salesmen, why do 360s still get rampantly modded? Again, this isn't about the "success" or lack thereof concerning PSPs, it's about how simple it is to mod them, something you still don't seem to get.

I hope you appreciate what I have been saying,

No, I don't, because it's too damn hard to keep track of what you're saying.

that Sony needed to be a good salesman, give us the games we want and will pay for. We WILL buy them and won't hack our devices en mass.

Wishful thinking on your part, but again, purely irrelevant to the argument you and I are having.

I'm am hugely in favour of the minority hacking to push the limits to show to the big companies what their devices are really capable of and that they BETTER live up to what the hackers can do or they will lose business.

And yet one more time, you still don't seem to understand.

I'm not talking about success.
I'm not talking about Sony being a better company.
I'm not talking about the strengths and weaknesses of the PSP.

I'm talking about how goddamn easy they are to mod. Seriously, stay with the picture or just stop replying to me, I don't care for your soap-box speeches about the future of mobile Sony platforms.

 

[Treblaine]

And who says I've never done this?

I have done it. And I've even reversed it back to official firmware...

It took you this long in this argument to bring it up?

Yep. I put the firmware on to emulate games and when said games FINALLY appeared on Europe PSN store I kept my promise and went back and bought the games I wanted. But I know not many others have done such a process.

That's wonderful. I hope you sleep better at night for that.

Yet you reply.... just to contradict my OPINION! Everyone has an opinion, what is so special about mine?

Oh, nothing at all, just the fact that you rejected my experience, decided I was wrong, and then using that as a newly created fact, you decided that there still is the question as to why PSPs are hacked more often. Opinion as fine, treating it as fact is not. I haven't given you a shred of my opinion, just my experience.

You don't need to provide those links, I have seen them for myself AND followed them. Even after building my own PC by myself if found it a harder and more stressful process than assembling my own gaming PC.

Then your gaming PC must have come put together for you already, with you only needing to plug in a mouse, because that's the only way that would hold true. I would love to know what process you followed which was harder and more stressful than putting together a PC.

Not least because I was having to go through all this bullshit when I knew Sony could and should be legitimately providing such things as I wanted to get, and when they finally did I went back to official firmware.

Again, I don't know why you keep bringing this up. If you're insecure about the fact that you modded your PSP, that's your problem, I frankly don't give a damn. This isn't a confessional, this is about facts relating to how easy it is to mod a PSP.

I've given Sony more chances than I think most others would, but I know where their shortcomings are and it wasn't for for the ease of hacking their devices. It was for there failure at being good salesmen.

See, it's funny to me that you first say it's your opinion that PSPs were not easy to hack, but then you turn around and say that you know PSPs were not known for their "ease of hacking". Which is it? Or are you incapable of maintaining a single stance?

Your logic is flawed. Microsoft is full of damn good salesmen, why do 360s still get rampantly modded? Again, this isn't about the "success" or lack thereof concerning PSPs, it's about how simple it is to mod them, something you still don't seem to get.

I hope you appreciate what I have been saying,

No, I don't, because it's too damn hard to keep track of what you're saying.

that Sony needed to be a good salesman, give us the games we want and will pay for. We WILL buy them and won't hack our devices en mass.

Wishful thinking on your part, but again, purely irrelevant to the argument you and I are having.

I'm am hugely in favour of the minority hacking to push the limits to show to the big companies what their devices are really capable of and that they BETTER live up to what the hackers can do or they will lose business.

And yet one more time, you still don't seem to understand.

I'm not talking about success.
I'm not talking about Sony being a better company.
I'm not talking about the strengths and weaknesses of the PSP.

I'm talking about how goddamn easy they are to mod. Seriously, stay with the picture or just stop replying to me, I don't care for your soap-box speeches about the future of mobile Sony platforms.

I don't know why you are getting so worked up about this, you may not be talking about success of Sony or their handhelds (in particular their only other attempt than the PSV, the PSP) but that is most certainly the topic of this thread.

I'm sorry that I disagree with you, but you are going to have to accept that. There was no chance I could brick my PC following the assembly instructions provided and it was completely dissembled, the CPU + cooler, Mobo, Ram, PSU, GPU, HDD, Everything came in a separate case. I did not have to buy any of the components from some dodgy guy on eBay where I had no guarantee if they would work or not (a la PSP hack).

I have just shared my opinion and based it in the facts of the matter and my experience. Just because it contradicts yours does no mean I am trying to "use it as a newly created fact" or "treating it as fact".

Also what you are doing is fisking, you are looking at literally every half-paragraph and dismissing each by itself in isolation like asking "why you keep bringing this up" when the next sentence (and the wider body of what I have written) gives relevance.

"it wasn't for for the ease of hacking their devices."

That doesn't mean I think they are easy to hack. That means I don't think whatever ease of hacking was the major factor. Surely that should be obvious from my consistent stance so far, ask any journalist who is is the business of quoting people these sorts of things happen, you can surely see what I mean the way to interpret this needs context.

As in:
"I've given the Terrorists more chances than I think most others would, but I know where their shortcomings are and it wasn't for their kindness towards hostages"

That doesn't mean I think the terrorists are kind to hostages.

I think it's very clear to keep track of what I am saying if you calm down. I don't want to patronise you to tell you to stop and count to 20, but you need to do whatever you have to do to sort yourself out. Because if you just read what I have written in a fair light and as a whole not each part to be dismissed in isolation you'll see what I am saying.

"why do 360s still get rampantly modded"

I believe I said Xbox 360s are not modded to the same extent as PSP, nor is piracy as rampant on 360 as it is on PSP. Not that Modding 360 consoles is not rampant, just not to a severe level as on PSP.

I don't care for your soap-box speeches about the future of mobile Sony platforms.

You know the subject of this thread IS the future of mobile Sony platforms, the PSV? that should be judged by their past performance with PSP? I'm stay on topic, if you don't want to then please reply by PM if you have any further off-topic concerns you wish to raise with me.