Ryan Lambourn's Slaying Of Sandy Hook Draws Condemnation

[omega 616]

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I don't think scared and paranoid is a stereotype of America at the moment.

I actually would still be going with the other one but life and memory got in the way but like I said then and now, stats are pretty meaningless 'cos they can be manipulated in so many ways but just like guns, you cling to them. Instead of forming an opinion you leap at stats and let them talk for you.

Basic premise of what I believe in this argument is, as long schools are still being turned into massacre sites then something is seriously wrong with American law. No amount of stats can alter that fact, another fact is Australia had liberal gun laws and had school shootings, they now have strict gun laws and no school shootings ... how is America better?

Maybe doing exactly what Australia did wont work for the US but I believe trying to stop school shootings is better saying "well the stats say different so you're wrong!".

I am embarrassed that my country are such heavy drinkers. If I was an American I would be embarrassed that my government is so passive about school shootings.

 

[omega 616]

No one in this country is saying that school shootings are somehow "okay". They're not.

Well, you actually are. School shooting happens, big media frenzy blaming computer games, media frenzy moves on to something else, repeat step 1.

Nothing is being done about it, things get said and one side says "maybe we could put some controls in place" the other side hears "we should ban guns" and replies with "something amendment, something constitution", which goes on till the shock has worn off the media is onto something else.

Nothing changes and by nothing changing you are accepting school shootings. Like I said, I am embarrassed about drinking in the uk and the government have raised taxes on alcohol, people still buy it but they are trying something. It's like a common cold, you get it and it sucks but what can you do? Same with guns, "yeah, another school shooting but what can you do? There is nothing to do".

Look at this headline "31 School Shootings in America Since Columbine, Only 14 in the Rest of the World Combined" ... come on, in 14 years 31 school shootings! (http://www.policymic.com/articles/20843/31-school-shootings-in-america-since-columbine-only-14-in-the-rest-of-the-world-combined)

 

[Xan Krieger]

Compared to Super Columbine Massacre RPG this game is kinda lame. There's no real way to lose, no real feeling of progression (I did kinda suck anyway, there were 15 survivors), no ammo counter. The art style had potential but given how boring everything else was with the slow movement and bad aiming it's just a dull game.

The 2nd mode with gun control was actually fun because there are some comedy elements. The way the katana just appears having been bought online and after you kill yourself at the end it adds a failed suicide, a stomach pump, and a court case to your end results.
The last mode is best of all because there's some actual danger, the teachers have handguns so naturally focus on them first. My results there were worse though because 2 teachers shot themselves (the game calls it a killsteal) and some kids played dead.

Overall the last mode called Eagletears is the mode most worth playing, the 2nd mode ends too quickly while the first offers no challenge.

 

[Austin Manning]

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I think you may have missed the point of the game.That is unless you're being sarcastic or trolling.

 

[omega 616]

Though, using your logic, one could easily argue that you're "accepting" all of the problems this country has with regards to mental conditions and poor parenting. After all, why aren't you doing anything, even though you have no power whatsoever to change the situation in question? Why don't you fix it already, huh, HUH?!? >_>

As for the rest of it, I'm bored so hey you win and stuff.

For this part, Firstly my government is trying to curb it by increasing tax on alcohol so they are doing something, the something is ineffective and just another way to make money though. Secondly, drinking in this country is almost universally adored, people will wake up at 8 and go to the pub and sit there all day. People will finish work, go for a few pints and then go home and carry on drinking. They get wasted on Friday, wasted on Saturday and maybe wasted on Sunday.

There are very few people who actually drink sensibly or not at all.

Gun control is more divisive in America, there is a way to have to have the conversation, as soon as scared and paranoid allow the conversation to happen. Shame that the scared and paranoid have their fingers in their ears, loudly saying "constitution. Amendment"

 

[Xan Krieger]

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I think you may have missed the point of the game.That is unless you're being sarcastic or trolling.

I was simply saying how the game plays which is rather poor. The animations are extremely slow, there's 0 bullet spread, and even when the teachers had guns me and one of them were on the same spot and couldn't shoot each other. I know the point of the game, the 2nd one shows if his mother had locked up the guns the deaths would've been far lower. The 3rd mode takes a shot at people who say we should arm the teachers.

 

[crazyarms33]

You say "I need a gun to defend myself with" so, when are you buying the body armor? What about some self defense classes? Oh, you know they say the best defense is to just run away, you doing some cardio work outs? You got a great home security? Bullet proof windows? Got a little camera to see who is at the door? Panic room? What is the safety rating on your car? Even better what about armor plating your car? You know, gotta be safe! You probably have a zombie plan (come on who doesn't?) but do you have a "America has been invaded" plan? Got your sandbags and barbwire ready? Basement full of tinned food and bottled water?

Sad thing is, some people would answer yes to a lot of that ...

Ah yes. Let's lump all gun owners in one giant category for easy and inaccurate stereotyping. Heaven forbid we dig out facts and raw data. Oh no. That's much too difficult.

Look, you can disagree with the right to own guns all you want. I think it's nuts that people argue it, especially people who aren't Americans as it's a cultural issue here. It literally is in the document that is the basis for our government. You don't have to like it. But you should at least be respectful of what people are saying. Realizing of course that my sarcasm above makes me a total hypocrite on that point. However I have been following your discussion and you're not even giving counter arguments reasonable doubts. You already made up your mind and instead of counter-arguing with facts, you are implying that all gun owners are paranoid, schizophrenic lunatics who constantly see the world as a battle ground. And that is just wrong. I own 3 guns. I hunt. Am I a loon? Why or why not? You simply cannot put people who enjoy the sport of shooting and yes, it is a sport, into the same category as the people who build bunkers in the woods. That would be akin to putting you in a category of rabid football fans who just happen to be in a gang. You can be a fan of the sport of football and of a particular team, but that doesn't make you a hooligan who beats up opposing fans. Do you see the similarity?

 

[Atmos Duality]

Well, games truly are art now. They have DaDa after all.

 

[Xan Krieger]

I know the point of the game, the 2nd one shows if his mother had locked up the guns the deaths would've been far lower. The 3rd mode takes a shot at people who say we should arm the teachers.

Actually the second mode is supposed to be an argument in favor of Gun Control. However, as some in this thread have already pointed out:

1) It really argues the pro-gun stance of "parents are being irresponsible with their guns and not locking them up properly" far better than any gun control stance.

2) You can still get a pretty high kill count in that mode by picking up a katana and "going to town" on the kids with that. Some people reported that doing so netted them the highest kill count of all three modes.

So yeah, in his attempt to argue gun control, he screwed up big time.

For this part, Firstly my government is trying to curb it by increasing tax on alcohol so they are doing something, the something is ineffective and just another way to make money though. Secondly, drinking in this country is almost universally adored, people will wake up at 8 and go to the pub and sit there all day. People will finish work, go for a few pints and then go home and carry on drinking. They get wasted on Friday, wasted on Saturday and maybe wasted on Sunday.

Er, read the quoted part again, mate.

As for the rest of it, I'm bored so hey you win and stuff.

Good to know that you've finally caught onto the fact that you're not as educated on the topic as you think you are.

I live in the UK and have never even seen a gun, other than in the US (it was undeniably cool but only because I am stupid Limey). On the whole, I find the whole concept of guns abhorrent. However, I had an American girlfriend and chatting to her made me realise that there is simply a different culture in America, not one I am party too and not one I understand, or even like, but you have to accept sometimes people come to different conclusion when asked the same question and offered the same evidence. I would suggest, however, that stronger background check may help. I think the access to weapons in the States is generally too easy (I understand the laws vary from State to State).

See? This guy has the right idea. It's really not all that hard to comprehend that different countries have different cultures, omega. It's a shame that it took you several pages of posts to realize this.

I get the gun control mode but the katana was the most fun weapon. Sadly they locked the gym door so I was kinda screwed.

I think my wish for these kind of games (like V-Tech Massacre and Super Columbine Massacre RPG) is that they'd be more fun. Sadly that is usually an element that is lacking.

 

[AldUK]

I think my wish for these kind of games (like V-Tech Massacre and Super Columbine Massacre RPG) is that they'd be more fun. Sadly that is usually an element that is lacking.

This game was not supposed to ever be fun. If anyone had fun playing it, I'd be concerned. And that's the point.

 

[Amir Kondori]

Just another gun control nut doing what they do best. Capitalizing on tragedy to push their agenda.

I think my wish for these kind of games (like V-Tech Massacre and Super Columbine Massacre RPG) is that they'd be more fun. Sadly that is usually an element that is lacking.

This game was not supposed to ever be fun. If anyone had fun playing it, I'd be concerned. And that's the point.

That is pure bullshit right there. Call of Duty No Russian level? Lots of people had fun playing that. Another section I found personally troubling, shooting down at people and vehicles from an AC-130 gunship, many people have lots of fun playing.

A game can be fun independently of its theme.

 

[Warachia]

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I'm going to guess you never played the game, yes it was made to get a political statement across, so what? Why can't people make games that have a point? and your entire argument about that statement in the declaration of independence is entirely pointless since they've never said otherwise, and you just assumed what they didn't say.

 

[Warachia]

Just another gun control nut doing what they do best. Capitalizing on tragedy to push their agenda.

I think my wish for these kind of games (like V-Tech Massacre and Super Columbine Massacre RPG) is that they'd be more fun. Sadly that is usually an element that is lacking.

This game was not supposed to ever be fun. If anyone had fun playing it, I'd be concerned. And that's the point.

That is pure bullshit right there. Call of Duty No Russian level? Lots of people had fun playing that. Another section I found personally troubling, shooting down at people and vehicles from an AC-130 gunship, many people have lots of fun playing.

A game can be fun independently of its theme.

Call of Duty was meant to have fun gameplay though, this was intentionally designed to be clunky and hard to use to try and make sure people didn't have fun playing it.

 

[The Event]

The game was a poor attempt to get across a message using a biased set up

My Playthrough,

Game 1: Killed about 12 people at the school, couldn't get through the end door as it was blocked by a corpse after I fired through the door when I couldn't kick it down.

Game 2: First off, how many gunsafes actually use a combination rather than keys? All my gunsafes have keys. If anyone had stabbed me to death they would then have access to my guns and I live in the heavy gun control UK. So ignoring the pretence that means gun control automatically includes electronic number pads on gun safes...
I killed twice as many people with the sword as I did with the gun. They all just ran towards me as I stood by the door swinging the sword (and you can swing a real sword much faster than in the game) or cowered on the floor so I could walk up and stab them. No corpses behind doors either so I got to the whole school. Why didn't I run when when trying to get other people with the sword? Why did I take pills rather than stab myslef at the end?

Game 3: Walked into the first classroom and started shooting the children. I didn't see the teacher behind me then heard the pop of her gun and looked back. Found her deliberartely shooting to miss me. I waited a few seconds to see what else she would do. She fired a few more delilberate misses while saying "Threat of violence", the rate of fire of her semi automatic pistol was much slower than my semi automatic rifle for some reason. Then she ran away. I left the classroom, another teacher ran up to me, stood waiting for several seconds and then also deliberately missed me repeatedly before running away. So I stopped at that point because it was clear that there wasn't even lip service being paid to the idea that an armed teacher could stop me.

 

[NoeL]

Okay then, since everyone else up to this point is saying "yeah, he has a point" and is ignoring the fact that this guy made a video game out of a national tragedy, and even worse, he did it purely for political points....then fine. I guess I'll be the first to call him sick and demented, and to reject his idea.

And my reasoning is rather self-explanatory, I would think. I must repeat, he made a video game out of a tragedy to underline his own political beliefs. That's not creative or thought-provoking, it's disgusting. I feel the same way about people who write books, movies, etc about other tragedies and who made big bucks on it. Capitalizing on someone else's tragedy is just all sorts of dirty and wrong, whether for politics or profit.

Except he didn't make any money out of this, and provided links for people to contact the government if the people were so inclined. You're acting like he made the game for the sake of his own ego, rather than as a catalyst for change. Missed the mark entirely.

OT: I just played the game... felt it could do with a HD remake. In all seriousness, the controls were super clunky and "Eagletears" mode was a joke. I can understand making the teachers reluctant to shoot you, but it's completely unrealistic and undermines his message if they NEVER shoot you. I agree with his views that the US needs to implement stricter gun control but his game kinda sucks.