SAY NO TO ACTA.

[Alleged_Alec]

I hate it when a drug company spends decades and billions of dollars to find/create a drug, and then they put out a patent so that they can make some money off of it and restart the entire process. I mean 20 years of them getting to be the only people selling the life saving medicine that they invented/discovered?

Yeah. I mean, why shouldn't they have the right to ask over ten times the actual worth of a medicine to save a person from a curable disease?

Seriously? Patents are good, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to just do whatever they want with it.

Patents exist for a very important reason. I pirate stuff occasionally, but if pirating was legal everyone would pirate all the time. Then all the things that we love would go away. Like medicine, and songs, and videogames.

Grow up and actually think about the entire concept of a patent.

There are a lot of completely idiotic patents out there. Gene patents are a groups which infuriates me to no end. They're not all good as you try to make out here. Some are, but there are also morally and ethically questionable ones out there.

 

[vivalahelvig]

Fuck yeah!

I welcome you internet police overlords. Burn all these pirates and people who use the web for questionable purposes!

its not just the internet you fool. This entire thing will restrict EVERYTHING. Music, Television shows, any form of genetic engineering, modifications to parts by different companies. YOU are the short sited one. I can see several ways to improve the hydraulic quick disconnect, and even though my great grandfather was the one to sign the patents, if ACTA goes into effect, I can't touch it without the company consent to try and help make it better.

You don't realize that this also effects the drug companies. Generic store-knockoffs will be banned and we will be FORCED to buy expensive, high-price namebrands on EVERYTHING.

*Runs into the room frantic*

"The Consequences Will Never Be The Same! The Sky Is Falling, The Sky Is Falling!"

EDIT: Calling me names helps you get your point across really well btw...

*facedesk* okay look at this from a logisitics point of view. If everything and thier brother copyrights something, whats going to happen to the cheep, still functional nock-off brands like the Kroger or Meyer cereals? They'll disapear and we'll be forced to buy name-brand products at cutthroat prices.

Again, your alarmist interpretation of this is absurd.

-'To counterfeit means to illegally imitate something. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. The word counterfeit frequently describes both the forgeries of currency and documents, as well as the imitations of works of art, toys, clothing, software, pharmaceuticals, watches, electronics and company logos and brands. In the case of goods, it results in patent infringement or trademark infringement. '- wiki

You're all for people who counterfeit? Of course not. If you think all cheaper goods are going to considered 'counterfeit' then I suggest you stock up on tin foil hats too before it's too late.

Lets keep this discussion about the internet. Of course, ACTA does way more, but lets keep it nice and simple, shall we?

How many images do you have on your hard drive? How many of them are pictures of a popular singer, covers of games, the likes? More than 3? Congratulations. You are the lucky winner of several fines, not to mention that it is now illegal for ISPs to service you. You are quite literally banned from accessing the internet on your personal computer.

How many copyrighted songs are there on youtube? How many of these videos can you access in your country? Is there just one? Congratulations, youtube is now shut off and unavailable to you and the rest of the people living in your country.

Theres things in the ACTA that are a lot more alarming, but that should be enough to wake you up. To be frank, if you think this is no big deal, I propose everyone in this thread gives you the money we usually spend on tin foil hats so you can go buy yourself an ounce of common sense.

I refuse to suckered in by your scaremongering! This ACTA shit has been floating around for years now. It has never passed and it never will pass, assuming it is even real and not some tabloid scaremongering bullshit.

Thats the thing though, isnt it? Theres all these scary acts and treaties floating around, and most of them never pass and just linger about a bit before people give up on it, but turn your back for one second and think it will just go away and bang, something like the Lisabon treaty just passed.

I do hope it doesnt pass, and I will work against it where I can, but im not going to spend my days cowered in a corner muttering "Acta... Acta..."

I won't be in a corner either, considering im the most violent person I know, I'd be bludgeoning a few people in congress. If this shit passes I am screwed, because there just isnt enough stuff to do here to keep from being bored.

So, let's get save the pitchforks for now!
I think im blabbering right now tho....i do that a lot.
[sub]also what is the lisabon treaty?[/sub]

 

[theonecookie]

Oh this alarmist bullshit again will you people stop and think for a minuet Its not going to happen if it does happen it wont be as bad as you people make it out to be , Ho no their shutting down the internet hurp derp and if it is that bad it will last the grand total of about 5 minuets before it falls to pieces do to public pressure and the logistical nightmare of policing the entire fucking world

Hell america has already signed this thing unfortunately , and the internet's still standing and you can still buy unbranded products so what the fuck happened oh wait it's this big thing called nothing get over your self the smallest amount of brain power and you would realise that what your going on about is one totally impractical two makes no sense and three non enforceable short of shutting down everything

next you'll be telling me the UN space fleet backed by the new world order is controlling peoples thoughts with wind turbines because its about as likely as what your going on about

 

[roflmecopter]

Fuck yeah!

I welcome you internet police overlords. Burn all these pirates and people who use the web for questionable purposes!

its not just the internet you fool. This entire thing will restrict EVERYTHING. Music, Television shows, any form of genetic engineering, modifications to parts by different companies. YOU are the short sited one. I can see several ways to improve the hydraulic quick disconnect, and even though my great grandfather was the one to sign the patents, if ACTA goes into effect, I can't touch it without the company consent to try and help make it better.

You don't realize that this also effects the drug companies. Generic store-knockoffs will be banned and we will be FORCED to buy expensive, high-price namebrands on EVERYTHING.

*Runs into the room frantic*

"The Consequences Will Never Be The Same! The Sky Is Falling, The Sky Is Falling!"

EDIT: Calling me names helps you get your point across really well btw...

If your not mature enough to look past a rude remark your not mature enough to even have a say.

 

[shasjas]

can we actually get a clear unbiased description of what acta is, because i dont know what to believe with all the fear mongers, the people over reacting, the people under reacting and so on.
please if your going to reply to this post dont try to convince me to your viewpoint, just tell me what acta actually is.
ive watched the videos but i somehow dont believe its that bad.

 

[shelwyn]

What we have to do now is lay low for a month or so. Once that's over with they should have enough cases to last them years. Then it's on baby! I'll pirate movies, songs, games, programs, books, heck I'll even get myself a new OS. ACTA for the win.

 

[Andy Szidon]

I bet that anonymous has a secret operation on november 5th they didn't tell us about.

 

[Andy Szidon]

Does this violate anything in the constitution? If so, then we have the right to rebell.

 

[Psychedelic Spartan]

We need a petition for this!

 

[Sporky111]

On the one hand, it's completely evil and needs to die in a fire.

On the other hand, it could potentially find nearly all sources of child pornography and destroy them.

You can make anything sound good by tacking "it could help punish child molesters" on the description.

 

[V8 Ninja]

I'm just going to assume that this thing is completely exaggerated, not as bad as people are trying to make it out to be, and will never pass in any democratic state. Because that's basically what happens with every law that threatens people getting free shit on the internet and getting away with it.

 

[newdarkcloud]

I doubt it will pass. Way too much corporate interest in letting it fail. Too many people would lose too much money.

Captcha: acceptm First

 

[Torrasque]

brb, writing some very angry letters to my government...

 

[Lilani]

Sad Song, by Paul Williams. And here is my favorite version of it--the version he sang on the Muppet Show.

 

[Torrasque]

brb, writing some very angry letters to my government...

Ok, it seems my government already talked about this extensively, but it was rushed through parliament before anyone could really get a second word in.
My member of parliament is basically telling me that it doesn't affect my way of life, that I should take it easy, and to let the system do it's job.
I guess this is yet another law that I throw in my "To hell with this law, and to hell with the consequences of not following this law" bin.

 

[Silverfox99]

I would have to read ACTA first before I sign anything. I had some issues with the video being untruthful about some things. How does ACTA happen in secret if there is a video talking about how ACTA is bad? There were also some big assumptions in it. I can understand the logic behind those assumptions, but the truth is in the document if those assumptions will happen.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I just glanced at that thread about Anonymous threatening Fox News and it made me wonder. If this ACTA thing is such a big deal why isn't Anonymous fighting that instead of wasting it's time with Fox News which I'm pretty sure no one takes seriously anyway.

 

[brainslurper]

The government should govern it's internet space with the same laws it would govern it's real space, and try to prevent piracy. However, the government does not walk around inside your house constantly checking for illegal property in real life. This bill won't pass. And if it does, I don't really give two shits what the government tries to stop me from doing on the internet- they will never be able to prevent me from doing whatever the fuck I want, whenever the fuck I want.

 

[Gottesstrafe]

Now now, let's not get too hasty here. I see that China, Brazil, and Russia aren't apart of the agreement so far, which is a good thing. I remember a time when patent protected drugs used to treat HIV and AIDS cost something upward of $10,000 a year per person until Brazil reverse-engineered the drug and flooded the market with generic versions of it, forcing companies in the U.S. to lower their prices to compete with them. China too, which has always been pretty lax in enforcing copyright laws, won't be joining ACTA anytime soon and would probably make a mint recreating and distributing ACTA protected goods. Digital distribution would probably take a hit, but that censorship bit will get ACTA from being passed in the U.S. so long as we are still protected by the 1st Amendment.

 

[godofallu]

I hate it when a drug company spends decades and billions of dollars to find/create a drug, and then they put out a patent so that they can make some money off of it and restart the entire process. I mean 20 years of them getting to be the only people selling the life saving medicine that they invented/discovered?

Yeah. I mean, why shouldn't they have the right to ask over ten times the actual worth of a medicine to save a person from a curable disease?

Seriously? Patents are good, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to just do whatever they want with it.

Patents exist for a very important reason. I pirate stuff occasionally, but if pirating was legal everyone would pirate all the time. Then all the things that we love would go away. Like medicine, and songs, and videogames.

Grow up and actually think about the entire concept of a patent.

There are a lot of completely idiotic patents out there. Gene patents are a groups which infuriates me to no end. They're not all good as you try to make out here. Some are, but there are also morally and ethically questionable ones out there.

If lifesaving medicine was sold at cost then there would be literally no new medicine created/made. Companies don't spend billions of dollars creating a new drug so that they can break even on the thing. I suppose we could have taxpayers pay a government branch to find/create new medicine.

But then what do we do when they never discover anything? They aren't a normal business so they couldn't go out of business for not coming up with new good ideas. The entire checks and balances portion falls apart then.