Science Officially Stomps All Hope of Dinosaur Cloning

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I just realized that this result also calls panspermia theories into serious question. The time for rocks carrying DNA from one location to another could be MUCH longer than mere millions of years. I wonder if the half-life is appreciably lengthened by low temperature.

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The article is not talking about decoding DNA but the much simpler sequencing of DNA. In 521 years half of the polypeptide bonds that form the double helix of DNA would have broken.
Phosphodiester.

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Mike Kayatta said:
Science Officially Stomps All Hope of Dinosaur Cloning



Life has found a way ... to destroy the dreams of every man, woman, and child.

A wise man once described the universe thusly: "God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs." But unfortunately for prominent chaotician Dr. Ian Malcom, Science, harsh mistress that she is, has recently proven at least part of the sentiment false. As it happens, mankind will likely never bring dinosaurs into the modern age, courtesy of amber-coated mosquitoes or otherwise. Unlike handcrafted dinosaur animatronics, it turns out that DNA just can't stand the test of time.

It was a neat idea and, this particular disappointing DNA factoid aside, a somewhat practical one: An insect drinks the blood of a dinosaur, becomes preserved in petrified tree sap, and lo and behold, millions of years later, we use the same procedure we used on that boring old sheep Dolly to make everyone and their uncle a pet Iguanacolossus. For years, the problem has been finding any DNA that's still intact, and while the scientific community has always had a fairly strong idea that dino-blueprints couldn't weather the ages, some jerk with a PhD in Australia had to go and pinch the proverbial flame of hope into a smoldering ember of despair once and for all.

The study was led by Morten Allentofy and Michael Bunce (who I'm sure are perfectly nice, and probably didn't mean to suck the wind from our dino sails like some sort of joy-sucking vacuum monster) and involved a detailed examination of 158 moa leg bones. Each of the bones were chock-full of DNA, and found within 5 kilometers of each other, preserved in near-identical condition. For years, determining the lifespan of DNA has been difficult, due to multiple variables of decay, including temperate, oxygenation, and microbial attack. With such a consistent sample, however, Allentofy and Bunce were able to finally peg DNA half-life at just 521 years. That means that every 521 years, 50% of the bonds holding the DNA together will have broken, and in 521 more years, half of what's remaining will do the same.

As you half and half, the decay exponentially slows, but not enough to survive the trip from Cretaceous Period to the Age of Honey Boo Boo. Extrapolated out, the longest DNA can survive is a paltry 6.8 million years, a far cry from last time a T-Rex had a pleasant afternoon, probably some 65 million years ago.

"This confirms the widely held suspicion that claims of DNA from dinosaurs and ancient insects trapped in amber are incorrect," said Simon Ho, awesome dinosaur scientist at the University of Sydney Australia. And while these findings basically rule out ever cloning domesticated dinosaurs as the obvious transportation solution to solve the oil crisis, according to Ho, at least "we might be able to break the record for the oldest authentic DNA sequence, which currently stands at about half a million years."

So yeah, there's hope of one day breaking the record for oldest deposit of decaying acid! That's totally awesome, and completely makes up for us never seeing dinosaurs! Right? Right? Come on people, I'm grasping at anything here.

Source: Nature.com [http://www.nature.com/news/dna-has-a-521-year-half-life-1.11555]

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Fun Fact: the same process that makes DNA Decay is also makes Radiocarbon dating not so foolproof
 

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Do not despair, fair peoples! Dinosaurs have always been with us in a roundabout way. Simply look out the window, and there's a good chance you'll see one:

It's probably for the best actually, as the world is a very different place than it was during the Mezizoic. Personally, I think they should focus on bringing back species humans have hunted to extinction first (Dodo, Passenger Pigeon, Great Auk, Tasmanian Tiger, etc).
 

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Science fails us again. T.T

And I've had dinosaurs stuck in my head all week, ever since seeing the T-Rex wannabe in Resident Evil 6. Dammit...
 

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Although they may not be able to get a complete sample, It might be possible that enough genetic information may exist even after all that break down to give a clue on how to genetically build a dinosaur from scratch.

One simply needs to extrapolate modern Genetic relatives to dinosaurs to their prehistoric cousins using comparisons of key differences to the incomplete dinosaur Genes compared to the complete versions found in their modern counterparts.

In other words: "Find out where this gene would sit on a modern animal, and then insert it into that spot." So that a chicken becomes a Pseudo-Dinosaur.
 

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Well, woolly mammoths may very well be on the way, so I'll take that. Then maybe we'll get smilodons or sabertooth tigers. Who knows? That, in and of itself, would be freaking awesome.

As for dinos, I mean, what's stopping us from looking at chicken or finch or sparrow DNA and just reverse-engineer it until we get to a spine-covered, toothy and carnivorous horror? Maybe a few centuries of scientific and technological development, yeah, but beyond that?

Nothing!
 

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Well, there's still hope for mad-science, Hitler died only a few decades ago. Seems like a good place to turn to now that Nazis riding a T-rex isn't possible.
 

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Probably for the best. It is very likely that if cloned, dinosaurs would soon become so mainstream, idiots like Paris Hilton would put sweaters on them and carry them around in their purses, while idiots like Lady Gaga would make hats out of them. It is also likely that US government would deploy them in Afghanistan or use them to invade Iran.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
Probably for the best. It is very likely that if cloned, dinosaurs would soon become so mainstream, idiots like Paris Hilton would put sweaters on them and carry them around in their purses, while idiots like Lady Gaga would make hats out of them. It is also likely that US government would deploy them in Afghanistan or use them to invade Iran.
5 gold says it would only take half a nanosecond until a T-rex lost it because of all the T-rex memes making fun of its arms and start vandalizing the place.

But really, dinosaurs? I do remember the hype around the time of JP's, yes, but all in all I don't know what the fuss is about...
 

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Thank fuck for that.

The Jurassic franchise is overhyped and terrible, so us not being able to clone dinosaurs is a good thing for all intents and purposes.

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