Seattle "Superhero" Arrested For Pepper Spray Assault
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FREE PHOENIX!!!!! I say let the guy go and to keep it up lol.
Off Topic, anyone see that the fat dude with Phoenix had his face painted up like a ICP person
Off Topic, anyone see that the fat dude with Phoenix had his face painted up like a ICP person
Phoenix is not a hero.
He is simply a guy who has done some martial art and read too many comics. He is a good PR guy, as he has been on numerous TV shows and has his own camera crew following him around. I can imagine him watching his own footage back after a hard night's work, and really getting off on the fact that he's a ''hero''
It's bull. The guy is an absolute muppet. He should join the force instead of living out this fantasy.
The whole point of being a vigilante is that you're doing things that the police cannot or will not do. Otherwise you're just a costumes faux-policeman with less than half of the stuff they have (radio communication, guns, weapons, a car, a damn pension, health care and dental plan etc).
It's just embarrassing watching that chick hit him with her high-heel shoes whilst he's on the phone to the police saying "I'm being hit but it's ok, I'm wearing bod yarmour"... ? LOSER!
Wait in the shadows, in the alleyways. Break jaws and tie people up. Don;t sprint into a fight spraying $hit in peoples faces and shouting at them.
THEY WILL HURT YOU
He is simply a guy who has done some martial art and read too many comics. He is a good PR guy, as he has been on numerous TV shows and has his own camera crew following him around. I can imagine him watching his own footage back after a hard night's work, and really getting off on the fact that he's a ''hero''
It's bull. The guy is an absolute muppet. He should join the force instead of living out this fantasy.
The whole point of being a vigilante is that you're doing things that the police cannot or will not do. Otherwise you're just a costumes faux-policeman with less than half of the stuff they have (radio communication, guns, weapons, a car, a damn pension, health care and dental plan etc).
It's just embarrassing watching that chick hit him with her high-heel shoes whilst he's on the phone to the police saying "I'm being hit but it's ok, I'm wearing bod yarmour"... ? LOSER!
Wait in the shadows, in the alleyways. Break jaws and tie people up. Don;t sprint into a fight spraying $hit in peoples faces and shouting at them.
THEY WILL HURT YOU
Unfortunately, he hasn't exactly gotten the "hero" part of being a superhero down. Doing heroic things means doing something extraordinary. Stopping a criminal that has intent is more of the hero's ken than solving a civil disturbance.
The truth of the matter is that handling civil disturbances like a fight in an armored costume with pepper spray is only going to cause even more unrest. A simple fight involving civilians needs the intervention of someone with real authority like the police. If an officer had been the one to break up the fight, the reaction would have been far less extreme. If Phoenix Jones wants to fight crime, he can't get involved in a situation when he knows he will ultimately cause even more chaos.
I've always had a respect for vigilantes who are willing to risk themselves to keep the general public safe, but only if they have the discernment to know what it is they're doing and what consequences will erupt from their actions.
The truth of the matter is that handling civil disturbances like a fight in an armored costume with pepper spray is only going to cause even more unrest. A simple fight involving civilians needs the intervention of someone with real authority like the police. If an officer had been the one to break up the fight, the reaction would have been far less extreme. If Phoenix Jones wants to fight crime, he can't get involved in a situation when he knows he will ultimately cause even more chaos.
I've always had a respect for vigilantes who are willing to risk themselves to keep the general public safe, but only if they have the discernment to know what it is they're doing and what consequences will erupt from their actions.
I agree with maninahat here.
For starters, there are so many comments that assume that Jones Phoenix actually has good intentions, all based from watching a 10 minute video. You don't know this guy at all, he could be a serial killer or a sociopath when he is not wearing the mask. His intentions might not even be to help people or stop crime, he might be a massive attention seeker wanting 15 minutes of fame. I've seen people do much crazier stuff just to become famous.
Actually, I would say this is much more likely than 'good' intentions because the existence of true altruism has yet to be sufficiently proved. That's without even scratching the problems with lack of accountability, lack of training, lack of law knowledge etc.
I've seen a lot of comments complaining that bystanders won't intervene when they see trouble happening but this is not the same situation. Had he been on his way home from a night out and had tried to break up the fight and call the cops, then I could understand why people would be annoyed at him getting arrested. This is not what happened though.
He purposefully puts himself in these situations which will just make matters worse. We all do stupid things when we have had something to drink. Why does this masked guy get to decide what is right and what is wrong when there might not be a clear answer (morally grey areas do exist).
I just wish people would think about what they are saying before they support vigilantism. The idea is nice from far away, but it's really ugly up close.
For starters, there are so many comments that assume that Jones Phoenix actually has good intentions, all based from watching a 10 minute video. You don't know this guy at all, he could be a serial killer or a sociopath when he is not wearing the mask. His intentions might not even be to help people or stop crime, he might be a massive attention seeker wanting 15 minutes of fame. I've seen people do much crazier stuff just to become famous.
Actually, I would say this is much more likely than 'good' intentions because the existence of true altruism has yet to be sufficiently proved. That's without even scratching the problems with lack of accountability, lack of training, lack of law knowledge etc.
I've seen a lot of comments complaining that bystanders won't intervene when they see trouble happening but this is not the same situation. Had he been on his way home from a night out and had tried to break up the fight and call the cops, then I could understand why people would be annoyed at him getting arrested. This is not what happened though.
He purposefully puts himself in these situations which will just make matters worse. We all do stupid things when we have had something to drink. Why does this masked guy get to decide what is right and what is wrong when there might not be a clear answer (morally grey areas do exist).
I just wish people would think about what they are saying before they support vigilantism. The idea is nice from far away, but it's really ugly up close.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Dark Knight, he ain't. This is the police not liking this guy and acting on it. That chick in the red pants should be beaten until she stops shouting like that. Also, anyone notice his pepper spray seems hilariously ineffective?
An earlier poster pointed it out, but the fact that he arms himself and goes inserting himself in situations he wouldn't otherwise be involved in stops him from claiming self defense in a legal setting. They'll probably make an example of him and hit him with the maximum penalty.
By the way, you should play this video with the Dark Knight soundtrack in the background and sad hulk music as phoenix is arrested.
The Dark Knight, he ain't. This is the police not liking this guy and acting on it. That chick in the red pants should be beaten until she stops shouting like that. Also, anyone notice his pepper spray seems hilariously ineffective?
An earlier poster pointed it out, but the fact that he arms himself and goes inserting himself in situations he wouldn't otherwise be involved in stops him from claiming self defense in a legal setting. They'll probably make an example of him and hit him with the maximum penalty.
By the way, you should play this video with the Dark Knight soundtrack in the background and sad hulk music as phoenix is arrested.
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Please tell me I'm not the only one who looked at that and read "Batman Jones [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Jones] is in jail".Earnest Cavalli said:
Because the US isn't one single person (and a single person cannot be consistent) and the two cities you mention are 2,851 miles from each other on opposite coasts. But I am pretty sure you could figure that out yourself, right?baconsarnie said:
A woman carrying a defensive weapon (or any person for that matter) is not looking to use it, they are carrying it in case something they can't handles occurs and they cannot avoid it.draythefingerless said:
A police office is doing a job, and as such has responsibilities and rules to follow.
Your last point is taken to the extreme, but the basics of it are right. His conduct to a point isn't in question. He tried to separate the fighters, and did defend himself. It's everything else along with it that is a bit of a problem. A problem that could actually net him a decent sized fine if the police can show enough of a pattern of disruption.
Taken individually his actions don't seem wrong in any way, but taken together you have a problem.
A video surfaced about a year ago (Yes I know this is like decades in internet time) of a man who shot three armed robbers, killing two of them. That man basically (I say basically only because I don't want to go into full details here) saved a store full of people. That man's action where mostly applauded here. That man was actually a bystander, and was armed with a concealed weapon for defense. That man was arrested for not having a carry permit, but was not charged beyond that. What that man wasn't was in a costume out looking for trouble.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
I'm not saying that a person can't be out helping whenever possible, but this guy is out to get his kicks, and obviously riled up a situation that got out of hand.
Am I the only one who found it highly suspicious this fight happened to be filmed?
CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, AWAY
CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, AWAY
If he wants to be a vigilante then thats fine, just dont wear a stupid costume, dont bring "fans" holding cameras and just help people who actually need help, like a group of people beeing mugged instead of just 2 groups of people that arent getting along that well. And if they decide to help someone that is beeing mugged dont yell "Hold right there, criminal scum!!!", just go there with the intentions of helping the victim (since he isnt wearing a costume the victim will actually be on his side) and the muggers will either leave or try to mug him so be ready to fight.
Not sure if funny or sad.
Both, I think.
I'm going to attribute this guy to being one of DC's New 52 launch titles.
Both, I think.
I'm going to attribute this guy to being one of DC's New 52 launch titles.
