Senior EVE Online Community Member Killed in Libya Riot

Bolwing

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And he died because of a crappy, low-budget that had nothing to do with him, and probably anyone who was injured or killed during the attack. This is ridiculous, and the pepole who attacked that consulate (or embassy? I can't remember) should rot in prison for the end of their lives.
It's of course very sad that this man (and other victims) died. A shame.
 

Eveonline100

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tkioz said:
Let me get this straight? People are dead because a bunch of wankers got upset of another wanker making a shitty little movie that only a handful of other wankers watched?

Dear Lord... Of all the things to kill over...
i have all been of the opinion that religon is the most dangoures thing in the world. Not nessecerly bad mind but VERY volatile. This is the reason why i hold that opinion. I'm sorry for all the victims as a result of this riot/attack/ terrorist/insert what ever offical terminaolgy.
 

LetalisK

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Great. So these people had to die because a handful of monsters didn't like a trailer to an obscure and irrelevant movie made by a dipshit on the other side of the world.

Protip, asswipes: When some douchebag calls you a cancer, you don't disprove them by killing innocent people.
 

SacremPyrobolum

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ravenshrike said:
SacremPyrobolum said:
disgruntledgamer said:
"Californian Sam Bacile, who has described Islam as "a cancer, period."

Truth hurts I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnEeTBuPQuo

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You know that period that history calls the 'dark ages'? Well, the they did not have that in Islam. In fact, while the Europeans were still burning witches for having a mole on their back, Muslims were innovating in mathematics, astronomy, and medicine.

Now, some might say this proves that Muslims are the superior religion, but that is also ignorant. Th Renaissance and the enlightenment revolutionized, art science, and culture.

Really what I am trying to get at is it is stupid and ignorant to point at one group of people and say "there. They are the problem."
Except is was virtually all Persian advancement. The Arabic muslims by and large contributed jack diddly. And that has to do with the fact that Persia was a large and flourishing society long before the Islamics overran it. Any advancement was in spite of, and not because of, Islam.
Again, I am not saying that the scientific advancements were because of holding an Islamic faith but rather to disprove that Islam has always condemned scientific progress.
 

hazabaza1

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For fuck's sake guys if you want to talk about what fucking country is stupid or whatever shit go take it in R&P or a user group or some shit.
Jesus christ.

OT: So, if I understand this right, some racist prick makes a racist movie and other people die because of his stupidity?
Jesus.
Condolences not only to Vilerat's family but also to everyone else who knew someone who died in whatever happened. Christ this sucks.
 

disgruntledgamer

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Devoneaux said:
disgruntledgamer said:
"Californian Sam Bacile, who has described Islam as "a cancer, period."

Truth hurts I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnEeTBuPQuo

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Uh-huh.

You know I was going to argue that it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with political instability of the region that stifles progress, but the sheer ignorance of that video kinda scrambled my bwekgjsnjgbgakjgag
Point out where that video is inaccurate or falsified in anyway and I'll not only never link it anywhere ever again, I'll criticize it 6 ways from Sunday.

SacremPyrobolum said:
I know that the scientific advances had little to do with Islam, but I was trying to point out that being Muslim does not in any way make you hold science in any sort of contempt as the video posted and general attitude of the poster was trying to convey.
Actually it does, but they're not the only ones guilty of this, they just take it to the next extreme. Trying to pass religion off as Scientific fact and suppressing real science that contradicts ancient books is holding science in contempt.

If you want I'd be happy to send (you or anyone who wants them) interviews and videos of Richard Dawkins as he tackles the matter, but I feel they would be too off topic for here.
 

Gilhelmi

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I never liked the Goons. They were punks and pirates. They manipulated the market and hoarded vital resources, But that is all part of the game and I never begrudged anyone for making too much ISK.

May he who was known as Vile Rat rest in peace. He did lead the universe of EVE, and today is truly a dark day. Though we may have been on different sides of EVE life, we were joined by EVE.
 

Faladorian

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Everybody knows the best way to get your opinion across is to murder those who disagree with you.

The people who react to a low-budget movie by performing murder in the name of their invisible stuffed animal are the real ones this world doesn't need.

They're not helping the already scathing view of Islam a lot of people have. Subhuman filth.
 

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To be honest I can't make any judgements about Vile Rat as a person, having never met him, going by his name and affiliations... well, I'd imagine "nice guy" probably isn't a good description unless you were on his side... but heck, that's gaming. It's sad to know such a dedicated gamer and part of the US diplomatic corps has passed on though, especially under these circumstances.

That said, if Vile Rat was a diplomat, I doubt he'd agree with what I'm about to say but... I think this pretty much demonstrates that the Muslim cultures simply cannot exist on the same planet with everyone else, something that goes beyond any one nation in the region, and also needs to be seperated from Islam itself which can be practiced peacefully even if the vast number of adherants that dominate The Middle East choose not to, and maintain a xenophobic way of life that might be thousands of years old, but has become a cancer to progress.

When a trailer for a movie that happens to be offensive to your point of view incites riots against international targets of this sort, I think we've gone beyond any arguements that problems in the region are simply the result of a tiny, radical minority. This is like right wingers rallying en-masse and going on killing rampages over a Michael Moore documentary, or people shooting up The House Of Representitives over "Passion Of The Christ". If this was an isolated incident it would be one thing, but the simple fact that we're in a very similar place periodically it seems shows that measured response and peaceful attempts at negotiation have failed. Heck, they attacked our diplomats who are the peaceful talkative guys, yet again, and this was over a bloody movie trailer.

I've said all of this before, but honestly, how many times do we need to visit incidents like this? From where I'm sitting out leaders are talking a good game, but when it comes to action they are simply reaching for ever larger tubes of lube, and as they do, we seem to be encouraging things to just get worse.

I felt the need to say my piece here, I had been avoiding the topic, but for some reason learning that a big time EVE player and Goon died kind of bugs me. I played EVE at a very casual high-sec level for a while, and call Something Awful once in a while to read the main page for a laugh. I guess it just hit closer to home, and has really gotten my usual sentiments roiling. In the end I pretty much think it's just time to unleash all the nasty weapons we keep around but won't use for moral reasons (which doesn't even need to include nukes) and bring Armageddon to the region. Heck if people are concerned about Genocide, just put some egg cells and sperm into a bank to be thawed out later. Besides I'd kind of get a kick out of telling the descendants of a formerly theocratic culture that freaks out over movie trailers and wants me dead that their creator is an American in a lab coat that combined them, and that if they need a god his name is Doctor Pointdexter (or whatever). :)


Yes, I'm angry again, so take that for what it's worth.
Genocide of an entire region is definitely a reasonable and sensible solution to the problems in the Middle East.
 

Undead Dragon King

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SacremPyrobolum said:
You know that period that history calls the 'dark ages'? Well, the they did not have that in Islam.
I think that the dead in New York City, London, Mumbai, Madrid, Toulouse, Ft. Hood, Benghazi, Tripoli, Cairo, Alexandria, Baghdad, Damascus, Aleppo, Kabul, the Kurdish region of Iraq, and the Coptic Christian villages in Egypt beg to differ. The European "Dark Ages", as you call it, happened centuries ago. The Dark Age of Islam is NOW.
 

Valanthe

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It's weird, I read stories every day about riots and war and death, and even though, logically, I know that every person who dies is someone else's mother, father, wife, child, etc. Even the deaths in my own city don't really give me pause, but just the simple fact that I had actually spoken to him in a game suddenly made this story strike me.

It's terrible, and if these attacks really were caused by a frakking movie...

Then I have nothing to say, hope for humanity back down to zero...


I mean seriously, "Muslims aren't a cancer, let's prove it by killing innocent people who had absolutely nothing to do with what got our panties in a twist!" I can't be the only person who can see the flaw in their logic...
 

kajinking

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Been a player for over a year, never met the guy or even tangled with the guys corp but his family has my sympathy. I'm not gonna talk about relgion or rights since this is a gaming website and I come here to talk about games so I'm just gonna end with the proper EVE farewell

Fly Safe
 

disgruntledgamer

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Devoneaux said:
I don't need to point out specifics because the entire premise of your assertion is innately flawed, thus the whole is flawed. Social, economic and technological progress requires a politically and militarily stable area to properly develop. You might argue that the reason the region is unstable has to do with Islam, but Islam itself is NOT the direct reason for the region stagnating as of late. If religious extremism was at it took to completely halt progress, Europe would still be shitting in metal pots and dumping it out the window in the morning.
Yes you do need to point out the specifics, because the argument he presents is backed up by facts and statistics, and unless those facts and statistics are wrong or flawed in someway your argument has no bases. "Your wrong because I think you're wrong" seems to be your only defense. It's a 3min video not 3hours.

What evidence do you present that Islam isn't the direct reason for the region stagnating as of late? From Religious Riots, to people being put on death trials for tweeting, to banning tweeter & facebook because of "Draw Mohammad Day." The evidence is pointing that it is because of religious extremist, and Europe did go through a Dark Age because of extremists.
 

Dimitriov

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disgruntledgamer said:
Devoneaux said:
I don't need to point out specifics because the entire premise of your assertion is innately flawed, thus the whole is flawed. Social, economic and technological progress requires a politically and militarily stable area to properly develop. You might argue that the reason the region is unstable has to do with Islam, but Islam itself is NOT the direct reason for the region stagnating as of late. If religious extremism was at it took to completely halt progress, Europe would still be shitting in metal pots and dumping it out the window in the morning.
Yes you do need to point out the specifics, because the argument he presents is backed up by facts and statistics, and unless those facts and statistics are wrong or flawed in someway your argument has no bases. "Your wrong because I think you're wrong" seems to be your only defense. It's a 3min video not 3hours.

What evidence do you present that Islam isn't the direct reason for the region stagnating as of late? From Religious Riots, to people being put on death trials for tweeting, to banning tweeter & facebook because of "Draw Mohammad Day." The evidence is pointing that it is because of religious extremist, and Europe did go through a Dark Age because of extremists.
Statistic the first in video:
life expectancy ~25 years without science, ~75 years with science

FALSE.

What the shit does that even mean? Where and under what other socio-political conditions?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Oh, look at that the USA is 5 places after the United Arab Emirates, and within the next 15 places there are three more Islamic countries.

And as for scientific output? Do you think maybe that has to do with economic activity... just maybe? No, of course not. The USA just has more research than any other country because they love science so much: that's why they include even more things under the heading of science than other countries... like creationism (obviously this only applies to some states).

Finally, Europe's so called "Dark Ages" were not particularly dark and had very little to do with religion at all. Mostly they get that moniker because the large literate Roman population was replaced by illiterate Germanic tribes (who nevertheless had strong cultures and long oral traditions) so that the body of writing available from the period is much less than the Roman era.

... and when did the first European universities get founded and really get going? When Europeans brought back books, learning, and the work of Arabic and Jewish scholars from Spain (and later from the Middle East during the Crusades).

Seriously, this stuff is all well documented. You would have to go out of your way to miss it.
 

Chadling

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve

I'm a little bit hesitant to drop this sort of URL on the forums, but since I have no idea how to post pictures in spoilers (least of all those that would horribly stretch the browser), I'm just going to show that.... yes, EVE Online is populated with borderline sociopaths who use the sandbox nature of the game to commit acts that would warrant a retaliatory punch in the face in the real life, but there really is a community in the game, and we really do care about each other....



Even if one of the more popular ideas for memorializing the man is a free-for-all bloodbath of a scale that the game has never seen.