Seriously, stop calling it the "God Particle"

chuketek

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I work on the ATLAS project at the LHC and probably the most famous objective for the project is to find evidence for the existence of the "Higgs Boson". It also gets called the "God Particle" a lot and I really wish people would stop. I had an experience a couple of days ago which reminded me of just how much I hate this nickname and why, so I thought I'd share.

I'm not going to go into a detailed explanation of what the Higgs Boson actually is, but suffice to say that it would prove the leading theory regarding why things have mass, which would more or less validate our current understanding of the universe up to a certain point. If we don't find it, then it's back to the drawing board for a whole heap of theories.

So anyway, the experience.
I was waiting for a bus to CERN from the airport and someone (clearly not Swiss or French) asked me how to get to an area which has one of the CERN sites. I showed him and asked whether he was heading to CERN as usually foreigners heading to these areas are CERN scientists. He wasn't, but expressed an interest in what exactly we were doing and asked me to explain what the "God Particle" was.

I'd been travelling for the best part of 16 hours and reading a book by Feynmann, so rather than just giving a version of this post's second paragraph, I rambled on for a bit about how photons mediate the Electromagnetic force and how other forces are carried out through particles called Bosons.
I explained that although ideas like inertia are very intuitive, explaining them on a fundamental level is actually very difficult and finding the Higgs would help explain how it happens.

He seemed confused and asked whether we were investigating space with this research or how people function. I took a step back and tried to explain that nearly all of biology and chemistry is essentially Electromagnetic in nature, with some changes due to things having mass and being affected by Gravity. EM is very well understood, Inertia is what we're trying to explain now and Gravity is still very much a work in progress.
I also said that the Higgs would only have existed naturally in a very short window after the big bang and would help explain how matter developed during that window. Which is one of the reasons why you hear about space a lot in discussions about the Higgs.

This is only a summary of the conversation, he asked me at some point whether spending money one this sort of research is justified and to explain how EM can account for everything including (and I swear this was the example he gave) what happens when someone gets shot. Generally he seemed pretty interested in hearing me out although I doubt I could have explained all of the finer points satisfactorily.

Finally, I was asked whether we were doing this to try and explain how the Big Bang happened and how time started, so to speak. I replied that we're just trying to understand the Big Bang as early as possible, but going past the initial point is impossible, at least for now.
He said "So, the idea isn't to disprove the idea of God or anything like that then?"
Me: "No, nothing like that at all"
Him:"So then why is it called the God Particle"
Me: "Because some journalist though it was a cool name"
Him:"Ah, right, I see....... So, I guess not many people working at CERN believe in Creation"
Me: "err ......No, I guess not"
Him:"hmmn, I do, Genesis 1-1, you should really read it some time"
Me: "maybe I will"
(I do actually intend to read the bible at some point, just because I don't think hardly any of it's true doesn't mean I don't think it's important)

At which point my tram arrived (he'd clearly had one eye on the announcement board), we shook hands and I headed off.


After thinking about it for a minute on the tram I realised that the entire conversation had been sabotaged from the beginning by the idea that the Higgs Boson would somehow disprove the notion of God or had anything to do with religion. For anyone who doesn't know anything about particle physics "God Particle" is much easier to draw an image of than "Higgs Boson" (which is why I suppose the name stuck...), the problem is that this image is completely wrong. And whilst my neighbor at the bus station had been more inquisitive than confrontational (one odd example aside), others may have a different approach to trying to get scientists to "explain themselves".

So please, can we stop calling it the "God Particle", it gives a great number of people completely the wrong idea. Please?
 

ZeroMachine

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You'll probably be happy to hear that I've literally NEVER heard it referred to as the "God Particle". Always the Higgs Boson.

But I'm sure you realize how impossible it will be to get everyone to stop calling it that without some form of official statement. A colloquialism like that is hard to weed out.
 

Thamous

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Anyone believes the term "God Particle" has anything more than a completely superficial religious significance is an idiot. It is simply a term used to indicate the importance of this particular particle. It is astounding that people can honestly believe that scientist would ever make such a costly initiative to prove or disprove any sort of deity.
 

Griffolion

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Wait, it's actually called that outside of Angels and Demons? What the hell?! :S

And Genesis was a damn poem, as in, not to be taken literally. For crying out loud, how many times do I need to say this to damn creationists (I'm not shouting at you, OP, or anyone else, but expressing my annoyance at this ignorance).

Anyway, kudos on where you work, seriously good stuff man!
 

Wuggy

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This was an interesting read.

I too have never heard it referred to as the "God Particle". Although, if someone thinks, even based on that nickname, that the idea is to disprove God, they can't know much about science anyway.
 

Ghengis John

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I've thought it was a stupid name myself, and I'm no physicist. Yes it's important right now, and finding it would help cement a few theories, but surely once it's found something else will become just as pressing to know. That's the nature of science at any rate.

I know you have/had a Jesuit working over at the LHC, I caught an interview with him, so if he's still there the next time you catch a crazy such as this guy it might be a nice idea to direct him to this researcher (who I'm sure will love you for it) but with his ecclesiastical background will probably be able to answer this man in a nature that's satisfactory (and I'm sure as a scientist priest he's obligated to serve the faithful anyways.)

As for you if you're telling the truth then best of luck on your work.
 

Lullabye

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I've only heard it called that when the whole 'Da Vinci code' hype was at it's peak and people were all....yeah.....
 

theonecookie

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the thing is when has science ever been about disproving god its about understanding the world around us it just turns out god hasent been the answer to anything yet (and i doubt it ever will be to tell the truth)
 

Ghengis John

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theonecookie said:
the thing is when has science ever been about disproving god its about understanding the world around us it just turns out god hasent been the answer to anything yet (and i doubt it ever will be to tell the truth)
I'm certain that answer is sure to go over well with somebody like the guy he ran into.
 

savandicus

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Its a name that kind of fits abit in the fact that if it exsists it will explain everything, ideally anyway. But i do agree that the connotations for people who are not completely informed is that it is something to do with religion. But there are all sorts of connotations that people will have when you talk about nearly any subject, knowing what they are is always incredibly useful when having conversations. In future you will now know that some point will not be properly informed about the higgs boson and you can start any conversation with the fact that it has nothing to do with religion.
 

Quaxar

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So you're saying my sheep sacrifices to the Higgs Boson were uncalled for? But it has to do with religion, after all, the Higgs Boson is responsible for mass.
 

Mathak

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Good luck with that. We're still stuck with that stupid 'Big Bang'and all the 'nothing exploded lolol' jokes that name brings with it too.
 

dfphetteplace

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This was one of the most interesting post on here in awhile. Thanks for the story. Theonecookie, I loved your post as well.
 

theonecookie

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Ghengis John said:
theonecookie said:
the thing is when has science ever been about disproving god its about understanding the world around us it just turns out god hasent been the answer to anything yet (and i doubt it ever will be to tell the truth)
I'm certain that answer is sure to go over well with somebody like the guy he ran into.
I am sure any answer that wasn't the one he was looking for would have gone over "well"

Creationists are like that

*capcha: labour of love*
 

EonEire

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I'm afraid Science can never untangle itself from religion until one of them "wins out". That may be a bit flame inducing but that's not my intention. Science doesn't care about religion, but religion really care about Science. Religion as a concept sees science as an enemy its about proving and looking for things outside of the answer "god did it".
 

chuketek

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See link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson#.22The_God_particle.22
ZeroMachine said:
...some form of official statement.
"champagne bottle boson"? That'll never do it. There must have been some pretty weak contenders at that meeting.

Griffolion said:
Wait, it's actually called that outside of Angels and Demons?
imnotparanoid said:
Wait who ever called it that?
My mistake, it wasn't a journalist who coined the phrase, but you can bet your ass it's the media who perpetuated the name. And yes, it does get called that a lot.. *really*.
Try bringing the subject up with someone over the age of 35 without a scientific background and I'll bet you that >50% will answer, "Oh, you mean that "God Particle"?"
 

Bluntknife

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I've always referred to it as the Higgs Boson.

Mostly because I like to think of myself as a scientist
But I'm just a lowly Mechatronic engineer...in training.