Sexual Relationships

[cleverlymadeup]

not really, it doesn't have to be overly complicated, too many people like to complicate things that don't need to be.

People who tend to simplify things tend to have a rather poor understanding of the complexity of the phenomena they talk about. Sure, generalisations are sometimes needed for the sake of discussion, but there's this nagging feeling I can't shake that some people really believe there are "simple" things. Those are the people who fail to understand both context and the fundamentals of the natural sciences.

Human relationships are a complex business. Just think about the biochemistry and the social stimuli.

actually it's the other way around. the fact you can look at something AND simplify it means you have a very good understanding of what's going on. if you want to try and say it's overly complex, then in reality you do NOT understand what you're talking about or you are in denial about something.

things are always very simple, we just want to make them complicated because it sounds better that way

 

[Lullabye]

People have this strange notion that loyalty means only sleeping with one person.

*claps, then gives cookie*
sex is sex. an act nothing more. if someone is offended by their partner having sex with others, then good for them. However, if I traveled for a year, then came back only to find my girl knows things she didn't before*wink wink*, I'd be freakin thrilled. If I came back to find she didnt love me anymore, then not so thrilled.

 

[Lullabye]

not really, it doesn't have to be overly complicated, too many people like to complicate things that don't need to be.

People who tend to simplify things tend to have a rather poor understanding of the complexity of the phenomena they talk about. Sure, generalisations are sometimes needed for the sake of discussion, but there's this nagging feeling I can't shake that some people really believe there are "simple" things. Those are the people who fail to understand both context and the fundamentals of the natural sciences.

Human relationships are a complex business. Just think about the biochemistry and the social stimuli.

actually it's the other way around. the fact you can look at something AND simplify it means you have a very good understanding of what's going on. if you want to try and say it's overly complex, then in reality you do NOT understand what you're talking about or you are in denial about something.

things are always very simple, we just want to make them complicated because it sounds better that way

So are you saying that biochemistry is simple? that social behaviors are simple? are yo saying this is all perfectly explainable and is in fact not as complicated as people think?/double sarcasm

 

[The_Deleted]

Sex is only a fraction of a relationship. But i can see where your coming from.

A very large fraction, like 98%

yeah i tried to explain to my friend that sex was important in a relationship. when you're grown up, no sex in a relationship means you're just friends. unless you're really old and stuff doesn't work anymore

Iwas with a bird for over 5 years who just wasn't into sex. Felt pretty fucking important then, I can tell you.

 

[Maze1125]

Sex is only a fraction of a relationship. But i can see where your coming from.

A very large fraction, like 98%

Thats a decimal.

No, it's a percentage.

 

[Sad Robot]

not really, it doesn't have to be overly complicated, too many people like to complicate things that don't need to be.

People who tend to simplify things tend to have a rather poor understanding of the complexity of the phenomena they talk about. Sure, generalisations are sometimes needed for the sake of discussion, but there's this nagging feeling I can't shake that some people really believe there are "simple" things. Those are the people who fail to understand both context and the fundamentals of the natural sciences.

Human relationships are a complex business. Just think about the biochemistry and the social stimuli.

actually it's the other way around. the fact you can look at something AND simplify it means you have a very good understanding of what's going on. if you want to try and say it's overly complex, then in reality you do NOT understand what you're talking about or you are in denial about something.

things are always very simple, we just want to make them complicated because it sounds better that way

So are you saying that biochemistry is simple? that social behaviors are simple? are yo saying this is all perfectly explainable and is in fact not as complicated as people think?/double sarcasm

Indeed. Very, very few people seem to grasp how complex we and our surroundings are. If you doubt this, you can always take a course in biochemistry or something like quantum physics or indeed cosmology.

 

[Sad Robot]

People have this strange notion that loyalty means only sleeping with one person.

*claps, then gives cookie*
sex is sex. an act nothing more. if someone is offended by their partner having sex with others, then good for them. However, if I traveled for a year, then came back only to find my girl knows things she didn't before*wink wink*, I'd be freakin thrilled. If I came back to find she didnt love me anymore, then not so thrilled.

Ha. Thanks for the cookie.

But yeah, on a further note, loyalty is hard to come by. A lot of people are willing to discard someone the moment they're going through a rough patch, the moment they stop being useful. Hell, I've acted like that. People are dicks.

What I've learned so far in my relatively short life is that love is not to be undermined. So far, for me, the only kind of love I've known is that within my immediate family. It's not easy, it's not painless, but it doesn't discriminate. And while it may as well prove to be as fleeting as friendship and romantic love, it's something to be valued while it lasts. We have little else.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

So are you saying that biochemistry is simple? that social behaviors are simple? are yo saying this is all perfectly explainable and is in fact not as complicated as people think?/double sarcasm

actually yes biochemistry is pretty easy, it's hard to learn but really it's pretty simple

social behavior is even easier to understand, you just want to complicate it. the way we act isn't a big mystery. we might try and have a long winded complex explanation for it but in reality there's a very simple reason for why we do things

Iwas with a bird for over 5 years who just wasn't into sex. Felt pretty fucking important then, I can tell you.

yeah and i'm betting she found some other guy after that and screwed his brains out. sorry but you had a best friend and not a girlfriend. you might think it's some stupid thing however i was really brought into this type of thinking by a couple female friends of mine when we were discussing a friend's relationship at the time

 

[Lullabye]

People have this strange notion that loyalty means only sleeping with one person.

*claps, then gives cookie*
sex is sex. an act nothing more. if someone is offended by their partner having sex with others, then good for them. However, if I traveled for a year, then came back only to find my girl knows things she didn't before*wink wink*, I'd be freakin thrilled. If I came back to find she didnt love me anymore, then not so thrilled.

Ha. Thanks for the cookie.

But yeah, on a further note, loyalty is hard to come by. A lot of people are willing to discard someone the moment they're going through a rough patch, the moment they stop being useful. Hell, I've acted like that. People are dicks.

What I've learned so far in my relatively short life is that love is not to be undermined. So far, for me, the only kind of love I've known is that within my immediate family. It's not easy, it's not painless, but it doesn't discriminate. And while it may as well prove to be as fleeting as friendship and romantic love, it's something to be valued while it lasts. We have little else.

Nice opinion. I like romantics, but reality takes priority for me. I do what makes me happy, as everyone does. I dont like putting (to me) pointless meanings on chemicals in our head which sole purpose is to make us live.

 

[Lullabye]

So are you saying that biochemistry is simple? that social behaviors are simple? are yo saying this is all perfectly explainable and is in fact not as complicated as people think?/double sarcasm

actually yes biochemistry is pretty easy, it's hard to learn but really it's pretty simple

social behavior is even easier to understand, you just want to complicate it. the way we act isn't a big mystery. we might try and have a long winded complex explanation for it but in reality there's a very simple reason for why we do things

I know. I hate complicating things.
also, what exactly is this simple reason for why we do things?

 

[Sad Robot]

actually yes biochemistry is pretty easy, it's hard to learn but really it's pretty simple

social behavior is even easier to understand, you just want to complicate it. the way we act isn't a big mystery. we might try and have a long winded complex explanation for it but in reality there's a very simple reason for why we do things

The thing is that it isn't some "big mystery". It's that so far we understand only so much and what we do know, is pretty damn complicated. You must remember, that the things you're taught in school are simplifications of complicated phenomena, we simplify them in order to be able to process the notions in our minds. If it were all so simple, if we'd figured it all out, then why don't we have a cure for every imaginable disease? Why haven't we terraformed Mars? These are not ideas completely out of the question if we understand all the contributing factors and their functions. In fact, why do we even pay people to do research if it's all so simple and we've already figured it all out? Out of spite?

But it's all about perspective, I suppose. To me, nothing in this world is simple. If you consider the ocean of molecular reactions happening in your body any given second "simple", not to mention the bizarre dance of their sub-atomic particles, then you are far more intelligent and aware than I could've ever imagined anyone could be, and I apologize.

 

[Sad Robot]

Nice opinion. I like romantics, but reality takes priority for me. I do what makes me happy, as everyone does. I dont like putting (to me) pointless meanings on chemicals in our head which sole purpose is to make us live.

Nor do I. I don't "attach pointless meaning" because I quite readily agree that there is no inherent meaning to anything that happens. But we do define things, we apply meaning to them and we reason where there's no deeper reason to reason than the will of our biological programming. It's an admirably orderly and intricate chemical process that makes you feel life is worth it, that things are worth doing, even if in a cosmic scale it was never a question of that at all.

 

[caprisun]

Nah no multiple partners 4 me, like if your just gonna b wit one girl then stick with her if shes worth it. like if ya find urself wantin 2 go off with some other one then maybe your not that into your partner?

 

[cleverlymadeup]

So are you saying that biochemistry is simple? that social behaviors are simple? are yo saying this is all perfectly explainable and is in fact not as complicated as people think?/double sarcasm

actually yes biochemistry is pretty easy, it's hard to learn but really it's pretty simple

social behavior is even easier to understand, you just want to complicate it. the way we act isn't a big mystery. we might try and have a long winded complex explanation for it but in reality there's a very simple reason for why we do things

I know. I hate complicating things.
also, what exactly is this simple reason for why we do things?

there's a few reasons why we do things, it's usually for sex, social standing, getting food and maybe one or two other reasons. sure what you might want is a bit different but the why isn't. we do try and add all these reasons why or why not but that's just the justification, not the why

The thing is that it isn't some "big mystery". It's that so far we understand only so much and what we do know, is pretty damn complicated. You must remember, that the things you're taught in school are simplifications of complicated phenomena, we simplify them in order to be able to process the notions in our minds. If it were all so simple, if we'd figured it all out, then why don't we have a cure for every imaginable disease? Why haven't we terraformed Mars? These are not ideas completely out of the question if we understand all the contributing factors and their functions. In fact, why do we even pay people to do research if it's all so simple and we've already figured it all out? Out of spite?

But it's all about perspective, I suppose. To me, nothing in this world is simple. If you consider the ocean of molecular reactions happening in your body any given second "simple", not to mention the bizarre dance of their sub-atomic particles, then you are far more intelligent and aware than I could've ever imagined anyone could be, and I apologize.

the simple answer is we don't know how to cure every disease because we don't know about them all or we don't have the technology to do it. this doesn't mean that it's complex, it means we don't understand it.

i think too many people misinterpret what scientists refer to as complex and the meaning behind it. complex in science doesn't always mean hard, most of the time it refers to the amount of connections or the layout. not whether it's hard to comprehend or not

 

[Sad Robot]

complex in science doesn't always mean hard, most of the time it refers to the amount of connections or the layout. not whether it's hard to comprehend or not

I never meant "complex" as in difficult. But I do believe there is a correlation between the two, I voiced that, and I still believe that.

I know why we do not know everything, but people who claim things are simple either understand nothing of physical structures or are being simply arrogant because they think they know something about them. Every professor I've ever talked to readily admits the complexity of the perceivably simple things whose structures and functions we take for granted every day.

EDIT:
Furthermore, "the simple answer is we don't know how to cure every disease because we don't know about them all or we don't have the technology to do it." is a sentence that has nothing simple about it. Do you fully realize what it took for you to type that thought and post it? All the perceivable coincidences (that aren't coincidences at all) it took for you to be there, be what and who you are and your surroundings to be what they are to allow all that to happen. I sure don't. We have a rough general idea, but that's a simplification not the truth.

Let alone the notion you were trying to convey.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

complex in science doesn't always mean hard, most of the time it refers to the amount of connections or the layout. not whether it's hard to comprehend or not

I never meant "complex" as in difficult. But I do believe there is a correlation between the two, I voiced that, and I still believe that.

I know why we do not know everything, but people who claim things are simple either understand nothing of physical structures or are being simply arrogant because they think they know something about them. Every professor I've ever talked to readily admits the complexity of the perceivably simple things whose structures and functions we take for granted every day.

EDIT:
Furthermore, "the simple answer is we don't know how to cure every disease because we don't know about them all or we don't have the technology to do it." is a sentence that has nothing simple about it. Do you fully realize what it took for you to type that thought and post it? All the perceivable coincidences (that aren't coincidences at all) it took for you to be there, be what and who you are and your surroundings to be what they are to allow all that to happen. I sure don't. We have a rough general idea, but that's a simplification not the truth.

Let alone the notion you were trying to convey.

you're confusing the two. your applying a simple reason or explanation to a complex system and saying it can't have a simple explanation behind it.

so you're mixing up your words and applying the reason/explanation to the system or the action.

 

[Sad Robot]

you're confusing the two. your applying a simple reason or explanation to a complex system and saying it can't have a simple explanation behind it.

so you're mixing up your words and applying the reason/explanation to the system or the action.

No, I don't think simplicity exists at all. If something is complex, it is by definition not simple. They are antonyms. And everything is complex. You may think your explanation of a given phenomenon is simple but it's not, it's just a simplification because you're not looking at the larger context.

 

[geldonyetich]

While I know fidelity is difficult - seriously, there seems to be a genetic propensity against it in many men [http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/09/02/male-female-gene.html] and women [http://science.box.sk/newsread.php?newsid=5974] - I'd still have a hard time fostering an open relationship given the knowledge that anyone my significant other is sleeping with could very well be giving me new and interesting social diseases. Never mind the red headed step children.

 

[Florion]

I think I get what OP is saying.

The largest issue is because sex and dating has become something ingrained upon us by our forefathers (and their predecessors forced it upon them, too). People forget that love - and marriage in the same way - is not something humans are born capable of. This is something we are trained to anticipate from the moment we see anyone kiss ever.

Actually, monogamous love is an evolutionary trait that survived because children who had both a mother and a father caring and providing for them had a better chance of surviving. It actually is something that comes naturally to most people.

 

[lizards]

do what i do 1 night stands

a very simple solution

But where's the emotional satisfaction?

if you want emotional satisfaction get a puppy (i love puppies) if you want sex go for the gold (1 night stands)

besides a puppy doesnt ***** at you day and night

edit: and also marriage is just a liscense to stop having fun........just saying

Cool story, but don't you have homework to do?

o look another person who sees gone gonzo by there name and thinks that its a liscense to troll

good job while yes i dont deny it for being 23 i have a very immature outlook on relationships but thats my opinion if you dont like it go fuck yourself