Should organ donation be manditory?

[Murray Kitson]

making organ donation an opt out thing is not plausible. imagine those who forget to sign when they renew their licence, there would be lawsuits from families of people who knew their lost loved ones had their organs taken.

but i don't believe this will be an issue after another 5 or so years. they are already able to create stem cells from adult blood cells, so we will be able to soon create new organs from the persons own D.N.A. reducing the rejection. this would not be a fix for cases where organs are needed immediately, but those who are on waiting lists for years can get replacements that are better suited to their bodies.

science makes life better, just gotta get the ethics and religious views out of the way.

People who don't bother to fill in the form, don't care enough to have the right to decide. It's as simple as that. There should be a nationwide campaign so that everybody knows what's up and opting out should be easy (short internet form, but of course also other possible ways). If these requiments are met, then there is now proper reason why you didn't op out while you don't want to be an organ donor.
I do think htis issue will be relevant for the next few decades. It is not about what science is capable of, but about what people are comfortable science being capable of. If there hadn't been such an outcry about cloning-research, then the technology would have been available (a) decade(s) ago. And public support is likely to stay extremly low for the next few decades.
All we can hope for is that China is going to start a revolution in it, and that the rest of the world will pick up.

cuz china is the first place considering cloning anything... no actually Japan is in the lead here. and don't give science that much credit. there is no way cloning could be done years ago when they have only made it possible recently, and the cycle of the clone with animals creates a newborn.

and about the short internet form, the problem is getting the information out there. did you know that the average american doesn't watch the news. mass email is not practical because the internet is an entire society spanning many nations and collecting the necessary info on email addresses is illegal. besides, i doubt anyone reads every piece of spam crap they get in their inbox. same goes with mass snail mail. do you read everything that comes in? if you do, then you are one of few.

no, your ideas are terrible

Are you doubting the abability of a developed nation to reach each and every one of it's citizens? Come on this is the 21th century , you can't possibly believe that the U.S. government isn't capable of that.
I didn't mention internet as a way to get everyone informed (but of course it would help), but as an easy way to op out. Of course there should be more ways to op out.
As for science not being capable of cloning, you're right. Science isn't capable of it, but I honestly believe they would be more then 20 years ago if it wasn't for the whole public outcry.

check the american literacy rate.... it aint that great. hell, there are thousands who have no idea what does on outside their home town.

 

[zehydra]

After death, not while I'm alive.

 

[Psycho Cat Industries]

Mommy,why's grandma been split up more then one of those cows in the jack in the box commercial?
It should be opt in.Really,if you want it to happen then you'd do this anyway.

 

[Radelaide]

The situation in Australia is insane. While organ donation is on the rise, there's is still an inherent problem in the system. Lemme explain:

In Australia, when you apply for a licence, you nominate to donate organs or which organs you want donated, or none at all. This is all well and good, but when you die that nomination becomes moot as the final decision is made by your family who can opt-out of organ donation.

This is entirely backwards and I don't understand why.

Organ donation should be an opt-out situation not an opt-in. When you're dead, what are you going to do with your organs? You can save tens of lives by donating organs.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Right, that's that finished

Crushed.

Giving me a way out afterwards is still indebting me, and doesn't breed goodwill.

How is that still indebting you? You are free; nobody will make you come back.

Because you've imprisoned me. No longer can I trust you not to put me back in, or that it's better to stay in in the first place, or that the form I sign to get out is actually to my death.

How do I know that you won't pop up sometime in later life and "ask" me to do something that I don't want to, given that you got me out of prison.

(Even if you never do, the fact you did it in the first place puts an awful strain on how I view you)

maybe the system could but certain religions on a opt-in system so if some one is registered under their system they have to opt-in rather then to opt-out this would stop it from affecting peoples faith.

Now we're getting close to a good soloution.

If we were to, say, make it so that up to the age of consent, it was strictly an opt-in procedure - and if you did opt-in, the donor had to agree as well.

And then at the age of consent, it became an opt-out procedure, at your first driving licence, whatever - as long as you're someone capable of dealing with that - then I've got no problem with it.

also In your other argument you keep call it as a invasion of right, but once you are dead you don't have rights, you merely rely on the honour system. Everything else you own is given to someone or the government after you die why not your organs? (and could you please tell me why you feel it is an invasion of rights so I am not just doing guess work)

The Dead still have three rights (which I talked about earlier)

1) The right to rest undisturbed and unmolested (Geneva Convention)
2) The rights of survivors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Anatomical_Gift_Act
3) The rights of the state: Cryogenically frozen people. They are dead, but cannot be harvested.

In fact, these rights are covered quite freely here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=924499

In short terms: You can't simply harvest battlefields/disaster sites, those who died should be returned to their families, those that the State choose not to harvest shouldn't be harvested.

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But, after all that, I'd ask that anyone who hasn't signed up to donate blood, bone marrow or organs, at least consider it. It feels better to save a life than to just hoard your own bits.

http://www.blood.co.uk/

http://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/ukt/how_to_become_a_donor/how_to_become_a_donor.jsp

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Bone-marrow-donation/Pages/Introduction.aspx

But it has to be your choice. No pressure.

 

[Vault101]

Mommy,why's grandma been split up more then one of those cows in the jack in the box commercial?
It should be opt in.Really,if you want it to happen then you'd do this anyway.

thw would never happen, its not like youd even see them chop up your grandmother right in front of you

and I imganine they keep the body intact asthetically

 

[Thedutchjelle]

I'm a donor myself, as I'd hate to let all my good organs rot in the ground when I'm death. I could also chose to donate my body to scientific institutes but they tend not to take in corpses with all their organs removed.

I'm fine with either an opt-out system or mandatory. The opt-out isn't dictatorship : If you actually care enough about your body after death, surely filling a opt-outform at one point in your life is not a big deal. I wouldn't mind mandatory either, but not everybody shares my view and it will be legal by the Geneva convention as described above.

I live in The Netherlands.

Mommy,why's grandma been split up more then one of those cows in the jack in the box commercial?
It should be opt in.Really,if you want it to happen then you'd do this anyway.

They make the corpse look decent after removing one or some organs. Not everything can be used so not all will be removed, and the body still looks okay-ish when organs are removed - I've been at an anatomy classroom, those bodies looked decent if the skin was put over the holes again.

 

[Voodoomancer]

Opt-out rather than opt-in, definitely. Probably a lot of people that would donate but are to lazy or busy to get a donor card.

 

[rutger5000]

making organ donation an opt out thing is not plausible. imagine those who forget to sign when they renew their licence, there would be lawsuits from families of people who knew their lost loved ones had their organs taken.

but i don't believe this will be an issue after another 5 or so years. they are already able to create stem cells from adult blood cells, so we will be able to soon create new organs from the persons own D.N.A. reducing the rejection. this would not be a fix for cases where organs are needed immediately, but those who are on waiting lists for years can get replacements that are better suited to their bodies.

science makes life better, just gotta get the ethics and religious views out of the way.

People who don't bother to fill in the form, don't care enough to have the right to decide. It's as simple as that. There should be a nationwide campaign so that everybody knows what's up and opting out should be easy (short internet form, but of course also other possible ways). If these requiments are met, then there is now proper reason why you didn't op out while you don't want to be an organ donor.
I do think htis issue will be relevant for the next few decades. It is not about what science is capable of, but about what people are comfortable science being capable of. If there hadn't been such an outcry about cloning-research, then the technology would have been available (a) decade(s) ago. And public support is likely to stay extremly low for the next few decades.
All we can hope for is that China is going to start a revolution in it, and that the rest of the world will pick up.

cuz china is the first place considering cloning anything... no actually Japan is in the lead here. and don't give science that much credit. there is no way cloning could be done years ago when they have only made it possible recently, and the cycle of the clone with animals creates a newborn.

and about the short internet form, the problem is getting the information out there. did you know that the average american doesn't watch the news. mass email is not practical because the internet is an entire society spanning many nations and collecting the necessary info on email addresses is illegal. besides, i doubt anyone reads every piece of spam crap they get in their inbox. same goes with mass snail mail. do you read everything that comes in? if you do, then you are one of few.

no, your ideas are terrible

Are you doubting the abability of a developed nation to reach each and every one of it's citizens? Come on this is the 21th century , you can't possibly believe that the U.S. government isn't capable of that.
I didn't mention internet as a way to get everyone informed (but of course it would help), but as an easy way to op out. Of course there should be more ways to op out.
As for science not being capable of cloning, you're right. Science isn't capable of it, but I honestly believe they would be more then 20 years ago if it wasn't for the whole public outcry.

check the american literacy rate.... it aint that great. hell, there are thousands who have no idea what does on outside their home town.

I must admit the cost needed for the campaing would likely outweigh the benefits gained. But I'm not buying it that any developed country can not get in touch with everyone of it's inhabitants. Wetter they are blind, deaf or stupid it is possible.

 

[Dr Jones]

No fucking way. f y'all think that then donating money to the poor should be mandatory. A kidney takes 10 years from your life, and makes it harder for you to piss, and limits the amount of times you can get drunk.

I think the discussion is on post-mortem organ donation, i.e. generally organs taken from people who've suffered irreversible braindeath.

Oh lawd post mortem? I got it all wrong!
Sure then, i mean what would the problem be?

 

[Ramin 123]

America doesn't have a blood shortage. I'm AB+ my friend is O+ and gives all the time, but my blood is significantly less valuable and I get headaches every time I give blood.

Why in the hell should it be mandatory to take my significantly less valuable blood? Trust me in emergency situations where they don't have time to test or simply don't trust testing your blood they'd just use my friends anyway.

America, nay the world doesn't have a blood shortage...yeah and I'm Santa Claus; listen man, I don't know about America but most certainly here in UK there is a blood shortage I mean there are advertisements all over the place for blood donors and I would well believe the statistics that say 90% of people don't give blood as when I went into the blood donor in the town hall, it looked like a ghost town.

You obviously haven't been in hospitals too often to see the repercussions of peoples stupidity and lack on interest in donating a totally regenerative part of our bodies...I think you're kind of missing my point here completely, I get that some types of blood are "less valuable" than others, but even at that it's still ludicrous that in this country that has free health care that people wouldn't give back in one way or another.

You can tell me I'm having a rant and I'm narrow minded (which if you did I would laugh in your face) but as someone who's been in hospital plenty of times, I can appreciate the need for blood.

Congrats you've stepped in a hospital and therefore know everything about blood shortages.

We can and should be able to freeze excess blood until it is needed, but seeing as this technology isn't needed we just replace the old blood every 5-6 weeks when it goes bad. They are literally collecting more blood than they need because it is cheaper than investing in any technology that would actually preserve what they take. If it ever got to a point in a hospital where we couldn't keep people alive due to a true and catastrophic shortage all it would do is force those idiots in billing that relying on donations is a stupid fucking system.

When a hospital believes that an upcoming event will require more blood they merely tell the media to advertise that a possible shortage could happen if their donations dipped during that time. However, it is much sexier to report on an imminent lack of blood that is going to kill everyones grandmas. Obviously the hospitals don't give a shit that this is an exaggeration because it ensures they have enough blood.

I'm not saying don't give blood. However, the stupid fucking companies -and never forget thats what hospitals are first- are pretty much using you as blood mules because they refuse to invest in technology to actually preserve what they collect.

Source: my sisters a nurse, my dad runs a hospital in Connecticut (granted he doesn't actually have anything to do with blood merely the financial and upkeep parts of it), and a combat medic uncle.

Well if what you say is true then I hold up my hands, fair enough, however it seems you have quite literally pulled that out of your arse...I don't see how a hopsital can foresee when it needs blood...I mean what they are going to predict that person A who has type O blood comes in totally screwed and they're like "right let's have a blood drive" and how would that even make sense if blood could be kept for that long; doesn't it kind of go stale really quickly...?

And btw I never claimed to know everything about blood donation you ignorant so and so, I am only speaking from the stand-point of someone who (now read this part very carefully I wouldn't want yo to get the wrong impression) has been in hospital as a patient several times including having a blood transfusion. It isn't fun boyo at least not from what I remember

 

[NightlyNews]

America doesn't have a blood shortage. I'm AB+ my friend is O+ and gives all the time, but my blood is significantly less valuable and I get headaches every time I give blood.

Why in the hell should it be mandatory to take my significantly less valuable blood? Trust me in emergency situations where they don't have time to test or simply don't trust testing your blood they'd just use my friends anyway.

America, nay the world doesn't have a blood shortage...yeah and I'm Santa Claus; listen man, I don't know about America but most certainly here in UK there is a blood shortage I mean there are advertisements all over the place for blood donors and I would well believe the statistics that say 90% of people don't give blood as when I went into the blood donor in the town hall, it looked like a ghost town.

You obviously haven't been in hospitals too often to see the repercussions of peoples stupidity and lack on interest in donating a totally regenerative part of our bodies...I think you're kind of missing my point here completely, I get that some types of blood are "less valuable" than others, but even at that it's still ludicrous that in this country that has free health care that people wouldn't give back in one way or another.

You can tell me I'm having a rant and I'm narrow minded (which if you did I would laugh in your face) but as someone who's been in hospital plenty of times, I can appreciate the need for blood.

Congrats you've stepped in a hospital and therefore know everything about blood shortages.

We can and should be able to freeze excess blood until it is needed, but seeing as this technology isn't needed we just replace the old blood every 5-6 weeks when it goes bad. They are literally collecting more blood than they need because it is cheaper than investing in any technology that would actually preserve what they take. If it ever got to a point in a hospital where we couldn't keep people alive due to a true and catastrophic shortage all it would do is force those idiots in billing that relying on donations is a stupid fucking system.

When a hospital believes that an upcoming event will require more blood they merely tell the media to advertise that a possible shortage could happen if their donations dipped during that time. However, it is much sexier to report on an imminent lack of blood that is going to kill everyones grandmas. Obviously the hospitals don't give a shit that this is an exaggeration because it ensures they have enough blood.

I'm not saying don't give blood. However, the stupid fucking companies -and never forget thats what hospitals are first- are pretty much using you as blood mules because they refuse to invest in technology to actually preserve what they collect.

Source: my sisters a nurse, my dad runs a hospital in Connecticut (granted he doesn't actually have anything to do with blood merely the financial and upkeep parts of it), and a combat medic uncle.

Well if what you say is true then I hold up my hands, fair enough, however it seems you have quite literally pulled that out of your arse...I don't see how a hopsital can foresee when it needs blood...I mean what they are going to predict that person A who has type O blood comes in totally screwed and they're like "right let's have a blood drive" and how would that even make sense if blood could be kept for that long; doesn't it kind of go stale really quickly...?

And btw I never claimed to know everything about blood donation you ignorant so and so, I am only speaking from the stand-point of someone who (now read this part very carefully I wouldn't want yo to get the wrong impression) has been in hospital as a patient several times including having a blood transfusion. It isn't fun boyo at least not from what I remember

I don't understand how you can call me ignorant when you fully admit to only being a patient. I am in college to become a hospital administrator and have tons of family who do the same.

Really you think hospitals don't know when they will need blood? They keep statistics of administering literally anything in a hospital. They know how much they will need at any given time. There is a chance that some huge accident happens, but that's why they keep up to 10 days worth of blood in advance.

Most of the time they start blood drives a week before long weekends, holidays (thanksgiving is a nightmare, worse than xmas), and notable events like fairs etc.

My entire point was blood drives could be much more efficient and we've had the technology to preserve blood for months if not years effectively since the late 90's. Hospitals don't do it because they don't need to. When you give blood you should feel good about keeping medical costs down (they use you as a blood warehouse they don't actually have to invest in preservation technology) rather than saving someones life. Because trust me if hospitals were actually running out of blood I would know of it, the rest of america probably would too.

The only time I've ever heard of a doctor running out of blood was when my uncle was in a tour in Afghanistan and the F.O.B. he was at had a shortage because there was basically a week straight of shit hitting the fan. Even then no one died because of the shortage they just made it known they needed some before it completely ran out. But, that was across the seas that shit simply doesn't happen stateside.

 

[Ramin 123]

America doesn't have a blood shortage. I'm AB+ my friend is O+ and gives all the time, but my blood is significantly less valuable and I get headaches every time I give blood.

Why in the hell should it be mandatory to take my significantly less valuable blood? Trust me in emergency situations where they don't have time to test or simply don't trust testing your blood they'd just use my friends anyway.

America, nay the world doesn't have a blood shortage...yeah and I'm Santa Claus; listen man, I don't know about America but most certainly here in UK there is a blood shortage I mean there are advertisements all over the place for blood donors and I would well believe the statistics that say 90% of people don't give blood as when I went into the blood donor in the town hall, it looked like a ghost town.

You obviously haven't been in hospitals too often to see the repercussions of peoples stupidity and lack on interest in donating a totally regenerative part of our bodies...I think you're kind of missing my point here completely, I get that some types of blood are "less valuable" than others, but even at that it's still ludicrous that in this country that has free health care that people wouldn't give back in one way or another.

You can tell me I'm having a rant and I'm narrow minded (which if you did I would laugh in your face) but as someone who's been in hospital plenty of times, I can appreciate the need for blood.

Congrats you've stepped in a hospital and therefore know everything about blood shortages.

We can and should be able to freeze excess blood until it is needed, but seeing as this technology isn't needed we just replace the old blood every 5-6 weeks when it goes bad. They are literally collecting more blood than they need because it is cheaper than investing in any technology that would actually preserve what they take. If it ever got to a point in a hospital where we couldn't keep people alive due to a true and catastrophic shortage all it would do is force those idiots in billing that relying on donations is a stupid fucking system.

When a hospital believes that an upcoming event will require more blood they merely tell the media to advertise that a possible shortage could happen if their donations dipped during that time. However, it is much sexier to report on an imminent lack of blood that is going to kill everyones grandmas. Obviously the hospitals don't give a shit that this is an exaggeration because it ensures they have enough blood.

I'm not saying don't give blood. However, the stupid fucking companies -and never forget thats what hospitals are first- are pretty much using you as blood mules because they refuse to invest in technology to actually preserve what they collect.

Source: my sisters a nurse, my dad runs a hospital in Connecticut (granted he doesn't actually have anything to do with blood merely the financial and upkeep parts of it), and a combat medic uncle.

Well if what you say is true then I hold up my hands, fair enough, however it seems you have quite literally pulled that out of your arse...I don't see how a hopsital can foresee when it needs blood...I mean what they are going to predict that person A who has type O blood comes in totally screwed and they're like "right let's have a blood drive" and how would that even make sense if blood could be kept for that long; doesn't it kind of go stale really quickly...?

And btw I never claimed to know everything about blood donation you ignorant so and so, I am only speaking from the stand-point of someone who (now read this part very carefully I wouldn't want yo to get the wrong impression) has been in hospital as a patient several times including having a blood transfusion. It isn't fun boyo at least not from what I remember

I don't understand how you can call me ignorant when you fully admit to only being a patient. I am in college to become a hospital administrator and have tons of family who do the same.

Really you think hospitals don't know when they will need blood? They keep statistics of administering literally anything in a hospital. They know how much they will need at any given time. There is a chance that some huge accident happens, but that's why they keep up to 10 days worth of blood in advance.

Most of the time they start blood drives a week before long weekends, holidays (thanksgiving is a nightmare, worse than xmas), and notable events like fairs etc.

My entire point was blood drives could be much more efficient and we've had the technology to preserve blood for months if not years effectively since the late 90's. Hospitals don't do it because they don't need to. When you give blood you should feel good about keeping medical costs down (they use you as a blood warehouse they don't actually have to invest in preservation technology) rather than saving someones life. Because trust me if hospitals were actually running out of blood I would know of it, the rest of america probably would too.

The only time I've ever heard of a doctor running out of blood was when my uncle was in a tour in Afghanistan and the F.O.B. he was at had a shortage because there was basically a week straight of shit hitting the fan. Even then no one died because of the shortage they just made it known they needed some before it completely ran out. But, that was across the seas that shit simply doesn't happen stateside.

Well fuck me sideways that's...., that amount of administration must be a nightmare....?

Btw I called you ignorant because of your first sentence, saying "Congrats you've stepped in a hospital and therefore know everything about blood shortages" which I took as quite dickish. I guess I mistook you for someone that's a wank stain trying to prove their superior intellect and so forth etc...

 

[ChildishLegacy]

Well this is basically the choice between giving your organs to other human beings to improve their quality of life, or putting them into the ground to have them decay/incinerating them. Really seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[NightlyNews]

America doesn't have a blood shortage. I'm AB+ my friend is O+ and gives all the time, but my blood is significantly less valuable and I get headaches every time I give blood.

Why in the hell should it be mandatory to take my significantly less valuable blood? Trust me in emergency situations where they don't have time to test or simply don't trust testing your blood they'd just use my friends anyway.

America, nay the world doesn't have a blood shortage...yeah and I'm Santa Claus; listen man, I don't know about America but most certainly here in UK there is a blood shortage I mean there are advertisements all over the place for blood donors and I would well believe the statistics that say 90% of people don't give blood as when I went into the blood donor in the town hall, it looked like a ghost town.

You obviously haven't been in hospitals too often to see the repercussions of peoples stupidity and lack on interest in donating a totally regenerative part of our bodies...I think you're kind of missing my point here completely, I get that some types of blood are "less valuable" than others, but even at that it's still ludicrous that in this country that has free health care that people wouldn't give back in one way or another.

You can tell me I'm having a rant and I'm narrow minded (which if you did I would laugh in your face) but as someone who's been in hospital plenty of times, I can appreciate the need for blood.

Congrats you've stepped in a hospital and therefore know everything about blood shortages.

We can and should be able to freeze excess blood until it is needed, but seeing as this technology isn't needed we just replace the old blood every 5-6 weeks when it goes bad. They are literally collecting more blood than they need because it is cheaper than investing in any technology that would actually preserve what they take. If it ever got to a point in a hospital where we couldn't keep people alive due to a true and catastrophic shortage all it would do is force those idiots in billing that relying on donations is a stupid fucking system.

When a hospital believes that an upcoming event will require more blood they merely tell the media to advertise that a possible shortage could happen if their donations dipped during that time. However, it is much sexier to report on an imminent lack of blood that is going to kill everyones grandmas. Obviously the hospitals don't give a shit that this is an exaggeration because it ensures they have enough blood.

I'm not saying don't give blood. However, the stupid fucking companies -and never forget thats what hospitals are first- are pretty much using you as blood mules because they refuse to invest in technology to actually preserve what they collect.

Source: my sisters a nurse, my dad runs a hospital in Connecticut (granted he doesn't actually have anything to do with blood merely the financial and upkeep parts of it), and a combat medic uncle.

Well if what you say is true then I hold up my hands, fair enough, however it seems you have quite literally pulled that out of your arse...I don't see how a hopsital can foresee when it needs blood...I mean what they are going to predict that person A who has type O blood comes in totally screwed and they're like "right let's have a blood drive" and how would that even make sense if blood could be kept for that long; doesn't it kind of go stale really quickly...?

And btw I never claimed to know everything about blood donation you ignorant so and so, I am only speaking from the stand-point of someone who (now read this part very carefully I wouldn't want yo to get the wrong impression) has been in hospital as a patient several times including having a blood transfusion. It isn't fun boyo at least not from what I remember

I don't understand how you can call me ignorant when you fully admit to only being a patient. I am in college to become a hospital administrator and have tons of family who do the same.

Really you think hospitals don't know when they will need blood? They keep statistics of administering literally anything in a hospital. They know how much they will need at any given time. There is a chance that some huge accident happens, but that's why they keep up to 10 days worth of blood in advance.

Most of the time they start blood drives a week before long weekends, holidays (thanksgiving is a nightmare, worse than xmas), and notable events like fairs etc.

My entire point was blood drives could be much more efficient and we've had the technology to preserve blood for months if not years effectively since the late 90's. Hospitals don't do it because they don't need to. When you give blood you should feel good about keeping medical costs down (they use you as a blood warehouse they don't actually have to invest in preservation technology) rather than saving someones life. Because trust me if hospitals were actually running out of blood I would know of it, the rest of america probably would too.

The only time I've ever heard of a doctor running out of blood was when my uncle was in a tour in Afghanistan and the F.O.B. he was at had a shortage because there was basically a week straight of shit hitting the fan. Even then no one died because of the shortage they just made it known they needed some before it completely ran out. But, that was across the seas that shit simply doesn't happen stateside.

Well fuck me sideways that's...., that amount of administration must be a nightmare....?

Btw I called you ignorant because of your first sentence, saying "Congrats you've stepped in a hospital and therefore know everything about blood shortages" which I took as quite dickish. I guess I mistook you for someone that's a wank stain trying to prove their superior intellect and so forth etc...

Yea there's an amazing amount of predictive software- some hospitals have entire systems just guessing when parts of an mri machine might crap out, similar to disneyland- used and sometimes it's still a crapshoot managing a hospital. Not really sure why I wanna do it :I

Anyway I owe you an apology because I was being dickish. I get kinda defensive when people question me about shit I believe I know. Other people get defensive too when I call them out on lack of knowledge in a specific area cause it feels like I'm challenging their intelligence. So, I completely understand our argument. Even though we were both being pretty stupid :X

Stupid internet being a crappy form of communication!

 

[Arsen]

Can I decide who it goes to? What if I wouldn't have seen eye to eye with the recipient? Does money and ability to obtain my organ have any true say in the matter? There are politics behind it all, that's the problem.

Second, it's kind of "creepy" if you think about the concept entirely. Someone, somewhere, at the time of your death, is going to receive your own vital organs once you've died. Ones you've carried around with you for several years, and in a sense are apart of you...

Third, because of the first reasons, you truly don't know who is benefitting from this. Poor child or a rich child? Demographics please? May I please just have the free will to decide whether or not I ultimately want to?

 

[Ramin 123]

America doesn't have a blood shortage. I'm AB+ my friend is O+ and gives all the time, but my blood is significantly less valuable and I get headaches every time I give blood.

Why in the hell should it be mandatory to take my significantly less valuable blood? Trust me in emergency situations where they don't have time to test or simply don't trust testing your blood they'd just use my friends anyway.

America, nay the world doesn't have a blood shortage...yeah and I'm Santa Claus; listen man, I don't know about America but most certainly here in UK there is a blood shortage I mean there are advertisements all over the place for blood donors and I would well believe the statistics that say 90% of people don't give blood as when I went into the blood donor in the town hall, it looked like a ghost town.

You obviously haven't been in hospitals too often to see the repercussions of peoples stupidity and lack on interest in donating a totally regenerative part of our bodies...I think you're kind of missing my point here completely, I get that some types of blood are "less valuable" than others, but even at that it's still ludicrous that in this country that has free health care that people wouldn't give back in one way or another.

You can tell me I'm having a rant and I'm narrow minded (which if you did I would laugh in your face) but as someone who's been in hospital plenty of times, I can appreciate the need for blood.

Congrats you've stepped in a hospital and therefore know everything about blood shortages.

We can and should be able to freeze excess blood until it is needed, but seeing as this technology isn't needed we just replace the old blood every 5-6 weeks when it goes bad. They are literally collecting more blood than they need because it is cheaper than investing in any technology that would actually preserve what they take. If it ever got to a point in a hospital where we couldn't keep people alive due to a true and catastrophic shortage all it would do is force those idiots in billing that relying on donations is a stupid fucking system.

When a hospital believes that an upcoming event will require more blood they merely tell the media to advertise that a possible shortage could happen if their donations dipped during that time. However, it is much sexier to report on an imminent lack of blood that is going to kill everyones grandmas. Obviously the hospitals don't give a shit that this is an exaggeration because it ensures they have enough blood.

I'm not saying don't give blood. However, the stupid fucking companies -and never forget thats what hospitals are first- are pretty much using you as blood mules because they refuse to invest in technology to actually preserve what they collect.

Source: my sisters a nurse, my dad runs a hospital in Connecticut (granted he doesn't actually have anything to do with blood merely the financial and upkeep parts of it), and a combat medic uncle.

Well if what you say is true then I hold up my hands, fair enough, however it seems you have quite literally pulled that out of your arse...I don't see how a hopsital can foresee when it needs blood...I mean what they are going to predict that person A who has type O blood comes in totally screwed and they're like "right let's have a blood drive" and how would that even make sense if blood could be kept for that long; doesn't it kind of go stale really quickly...?

And btw I never claimed to know everything about blood donation you ignorant so and so, I am only speaking from the stand-point of someone who (now read this part very carefully I wouldn't want yo to get the wrong impression) has been in hospital as a patient several times including having a blood transfusion. It isn't fun boyo at least not from what I remember

I don't understand how you can call me ignorant when you fully admit to only being a patient. I am in college to become a hospital administrator and have tons of family who do the same.

Really you think hospitals don't know when they will need blood? They keep statistics of administering literally anything in a hospital. They know how much they will need at any given time. There is a chance that some huge accident happens, but that's why they keep up to 10 days worth of blood in advance.

Most of the time they start blood drives a week before long weekends, holidays (thanksgiving is a nightmare, worse than xmas), and notable events like fairs etc.

My entire point was blood drives could be much more efficient and we've had the technology to preserve blood for months if not years effectively since the late 90's. Hospitals don't do it because they don't need to. When you give blood you should feel good about keeping medical costs down (they use you as a blood warehouse they don't actually have to invest in preservation technology) rather than saving someones life. Because trust me if hospitals were actually running out of blood I would know of it, the rest of america probably would too.

The only time I've ever heard of a doctor running out of blood was when my uncle was in a tour in Afghanistan and the F.O.B. he was at had a shortage because there was basically a week straight of shit hitting the fan. Even then no one died because of the shortage they just made it known they needed some before it completely ran out. But, that was across the seas that shit simply doesn't happen stateside.

Well fuck me sideways that's...., that amount of administration must be a nightmare....?

Btw I called you ignorant because of your first sentence, saying "Congrats you've stepped in a hospital and therefore know everything about blood shortages" which I took as quite dickish. I guess I mistook you for someone that's a wank stain trying to prove their superior intellect and so forth etc...

Yea there's an amazing amount of predictive software- some hospitals have entire systems just guessing when parts of an mri machine might crap out, similar to disneyland- used and sometimes it's still a crapshoot managing a hospital. Not really sure why I wanna do it :I

Anyway I owe you an apology because I was being dickish. I get kinda defensive when people question me about shit I believe I know. Other people get defensive too when I call them out on lack of knowledge in a specific area cause it feels like I'm challenging their intelligence. So, I completely understand our argument. Even though we were both being pretty stupid :X

Stupid internet being a crappy form of communication!

haha yeah sounds like the aftermath of having an argument with my ex on msn Yeah we were both being dumb, my apologies as well like

Well as I said you have really opened my eyes and that is amazing that they have that sort of stuff in place in hospitals :O Well good luck to you if you're going for it (and we both know why you're doing it, that lucrative amount of money you'll earn)

 

[spartandude]

should people have the right to conscript my organs?, im kinda using them at the moment, once im dead they can take what they want but i dont think people should be able to knock on my door and demand i give them part of my liver

 

[Damura]

"no longer in anyone's possession"

You can't have them.
Family can't have them.
Government can have them.

Fuck you.

Sigh, oh dear....

YOU can't use them, you are dead.

YOUR FAMILY may need them, In which case I presume they would get first service.

THE GOVERNMENT will give them to somebody who can use them on account of the fact that they are not dead. (bare in mind that this could be a member of your family).

So no, I am not denying them to everyone, I am merely denying them to the dead because they no longer need them.

Sigh, oh dear....

"As soon as you're dead your organs are no longer in anyone's possesion. You shouldn't be able to stipulate in your will that you don't want them taken, and your family shouldn't be able to stop anyone taking them."

Your words. Idiot.

 

[Vault101]

should people have the right to conscript my organs?, im kinda using them at the moment, once im dead they can take what they want but i dont think people should be able to knock on my door and demand i give them part of my liver

that...wasnt what I ment