Should the overweight pay more for airfare?

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Dejawesp

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ace_of_something said:
I'm saying not everyone that is heavy is 'fat'. For those of us that aren't it feels like you're being punished for something you absolutely can't help.
Hey the travel agency absolutely cannot help that it takes more fuel to transport more weight. That's just physics. And three-dimensional physics as that since fuel has weight as well.

In the end someone has to pay and as the travellers are the only source of revenue then it means that all the lighter people end up paying for the heavier people.
 

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Dejawesp said:
ace_of_something said:
I'm saying not everyone that is heavy is 'fat'. For those of us that aren't it feels like you're being punished for something you absolutely can't help.
Hey the travel agency absolutely cannot help that it takes more fuel to transport more weight. That's just physics. And three-dimensional physics as that since fuel has weight as well.

In the end someone has to pay and as the travellers are the only source of revenue then it means that all the lighter people end up paying for the heavier people.
If that were true than why do the keep putting more and more seats in? surely that will effect the weight load? I postulate that an added row of six seats and thus six people will weight significantly more than all but the heaviest of people.
 

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ace_of_something said:
Dejawesp said:
ace_of_something said:
I'm saying not everyone that is heavy is 'fat'. For those of us that aren't it feels like you're being punished for something you absolutely can't help.
Hey the travel agency absolutely cannot help that it takes more fuel to transport more weight. That's just physics. And three-dimensional physics as that since fuel has weight as well.

In the end someone has to pay and as the travellers are the only source of revenue then it means that all the lighter people end up paying for the heavier people.
If that were true than why do the keep putting more and more seats in? surely that will effect the weight load? I postulate that an added row of six seats and thus six people will weight significantly more than all but the heaviest of people.
Because with the current system they charge per seat and not for weight. Hence more seats means more seats sold and more money.
 

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Dejawesp said:
ace_of_something said:
Dejawesp said:
ace_of_something said:
I'm saying not everyone that is heavy is 'fat'. For those of us that aren't it feels like you're being punished for something you absolutely can't help.
Hey the travel agency absolutely cannot help that it takes more fuel to transport more weight. That's just physics. And three-dimensional physics as that since fuel has weight as well.

In the end someone has to pay and as the travellers are the only source of revenue then it means that all the lighter people end up paying for the heavier people.
If that were true than why do the keep putting more and more seats in? surely that will effect the weight load? I postulate that an added row of six seats and thus six people will weight significantly more than all but the heaviest of people.
Because with the current system they charge per seat and not for weight. Hence more seats means more seats sold and more money.
So when they charge by seat they don't get weighed down? But when they charge by weight suddenly they can only carry so much weight or they'll run out of fuel midflight.
 

galdon2004

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Regnes said:
when you're like 300+ pounds, that's your fault, you're a fat slob and should get some god damned exercise.
http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/89/4e183d644ea70f6b980643a5b6fcc884/l.jpg

Yeah! Just look at this fat 300 pound slob! He can only bench press 550 pounds, the lazy jerk, he needs to get more damn exercise!

You know, this is why BMI is the absolute worst model for measuring a person's health. Muscle mass has a gigantic impact on your body's total weight.
 

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ace_of_something said:
So when they charge by seat they don't get weighed down? But when they charge by weight suddenly they can only carry so much weight or they'll run out of fuel midflight.
No plane is going to run out of fuel mid air. Its about how much fuel the plane has to use to get there. Every single pound transported means extra fuel used up. A 300 pound passenger costs the travel agency nearly twice as much to transport as a 150 pound passenger yet both passengers pay the same amount because the prices are standardized. If they could charge based on the weight of each individual passenger then they wouldn't have to do any guess work on the prices. Lighter people who cost less to transport would pay less and heavier people would pay more.

People who cost more, pay more. People who cost less, pay less. Makes sense doesn't it?

ace_of_something said:
http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/89/4e183d644ea70f6b980643a5b6fcc884/l.jpg

Yeah! Just look at this fat 300 pound slob! He can only bench press 550 pounds, the lazy jerk, he needs to get more damn exercise!

You know, this is why BMI is the absolute worst model for measuring a person's health. Muscle mass has a gigantic impact on your body's total weight.
BMI does not have anything to do with what it costs to transport a person. Its weight that matters and a 300 pound person weighs 300 pounds regardless of BMI.
 

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galdon2004 said:
Regnes said:
when you're like 300+ pounds, that's your fault, you're a fat slob and should get some god damned exercise.
http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/89/4e183d644ea70f6b980643a5b6fcc884/l.jpg

Yeah! Just look at this fat 300 pound slob! He can only bench press 550 pounds, the lazy jerk, he needs to get more damn exercise!

You know, this is why BMI is the absolute worst model for measuring a person's health. Muscle mass has a gigantic impact on your body's total weight.
Thank you. I fall into the category. When I am my fittest I tend to weigh around 230. When I let myself go I drop to about 195 to 200. This is a terrible idea.

Also, why doesn't any one mention the reason for the weight limit of the luggage isn't that the plane can't handle it or because of more fuel. It's because the unionized baggage handlers don't want to deal with your crap. The plane is not going to fall out of the sky or anything stupid like that.
 

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Dejawesp said:
ace_of_something said:
So when they charge by seat they don't get weighed down? But when they charge by weight suddenly they can only carry so much weight or they'll run out of fuel midflight.
No plane is going to run out of fuel mid air. Its about how much fuel the plane has to use to get there. Every single pound transported means extra fuel used up. A 300 pound passenger costs the travel agency nearly twice as much to transport as a 150 pound passenger yet both passengers pay the same amount because the prices are standardized. If they could charge based on the weight of each individual passenger then they wouldn't have to do any guess work on the prices. Lighter people who cost less to transport would pay less and heavier people would pay more.

People who cost more, pay more. People who cost less, pay less. Makes sense doesn't it?

ace_of_something said:
http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/89/4e183d644ea70f6b980643a5b6fcc884/l.jpg

Yeah! Just look at this fat 300 pound slob! He can only bench press 550 pounds, the lazy jerk, he needs to get more damn exercise!

You know, this is why BMI is the absolute worst model for measuring a person's health. Muscle mass has a gigantic impact on your body's total weight.
BMI does not have anything to do with what it costs to transport a person. Its weight that matters and a 300 pound person weighs 300 pounds regardless of BMI.
Well, I brought it up because you were calling people fat. The tone came across throughout your posts as if those people 'deserve' what they get. I disagree.

It's all moot. The first airline that actually implements this would face such a shit-storm no one will ever take the first step. If they all do at the same time the first airline to stick with the 'old ways' is the first to get my and I imagine many others' business.

It's a terrible business strategy to make you customers feel like shit before they even buy your product.
 

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Tanksie said:
no you cant call it out for lacking content, and the reason i say it is because... why are fat people fat? because they are greedy lazy gluttonous people.
Good sir, let me introduce you to a new, interesting fact: Some people are obese due to a legitimate medical condition. No, really, it's true!

Also, you could've added why all fat people deserve it in your original post, because it's still lacking content.
yes its true! 1% of people diagnosed with obesity have a medical condition causing it! wow 1 fucking percent! and about 50% of them SAY they have a condition but dont. so to hell with your stupid argument.
Citation for your 1% doctor.
google, all knowing and never wrong
www.webmd.com/diet/medical-reasons-obesity
19 Sep 2009 ? About 1% of the cases of obesity have medical causes, including thyroid problems or Cushin's syndrome. Learn more.
said it in the description and the figure makes sense when you think about how many fat fuckers their are out there.

Funny, but your link doesn't back you up about that 1%. In fact the listed causes clearly apply to more than 1% of the population based on anti-depressant effects alone.
You have misquoted me, fix it.
ask nicely
You have misquoted him, please fix it.

Or I will. o_o and I don't fix things nicely.
 

galdon2004

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Regnes said:
galdon2004 said:
Regnes said:
when you're like 300+ pounds, that's your fault, you're a fat slob and should get some god damned exercise.
http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/89/4e183d644ea70f6b980643a5b6fcc884/l.jpg

Yeah! Just look at this fat 300 pound slob! He can only bench press 550 pounds, the lazy jerk, he needs to get more damn exercise!

You know, this is why BMI is the absolute worst model for measuring a person's health. Muscle mass has a gigantic impact on your body's total weight.
In general I think it's a perfectly fine method, nobody is going to call the guy in your picture fat, but when this walks up to you:



I think it's going to be pretty safe to conclude he's a 300+ pound fat slob. Anyway you're arguing the irrelevant based on a technicality, fat people are fat, muscular people are muscular, what's your point?
My point is, BMI does not care if you are fat or muscular. It also does not care if you have a toothpick build or have wide shoulders. Weight alone should not, and should never have been the sole method for deciding somebody's health. Being X pounds means nothing. Fat, TRULY fat people can pay extra in seating to get a second seat so they can sit down. There's no reason to penalize people who are just healthy and physically fit by using an arbitrary weight limit.
 

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Dragonclaw said:
Since I just got back from a flight where I was crammed against the armrest because the lady next to me took almost half me seat and since the flight was full I was unable to change seats I am ALL FOR charging really large people extra. I PAID for my seat...the ENTIRE seat...the fact that someone else's girth encroaches on that should entitle ME to have part of my seat (that she took without my permission) refunded...not to mention the chili dogs she was eating and the horrible gas she had after an hour in the air...
hahhaha.

This, right here, is an argument for weight based pricing. If they are charged extra for a seat they should also be given a slightly bigger seat.

I'm against it because its partially discrinitory, but as I weight less then 160 lbs I would be happy to take extra luggage to make up the difference between me and someone who weighs 200 lbs.

I think the front or back half of the plane should be child free - because I have been stuck behind a family with 3 young brats who trashed their isle and it is not fun. It was a 16 hour flight I think and all the passangers complained at the end of it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-12/charge-airline-passengers-by-weight-call/3768804 video on the issue from a former Qantas economist (Qantas is Australia's national airliner).