Should we stop the democracy experiment?

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-Orgasmatron- said:
On the other hand, we could try a democracy.

Democracy is not 25 elections every century.
One thing Americans, and a lot of governments, need to know is that republic=/=democracy. Seriously, what's with all the talk about America being a democracy?

I think of Athens as an imperfect form of the ideal government and state. A direct democracy, intellectual, cultural, and generally a good place to live. It's imperfections are just things like misogyny and racism, lack of the secret ballot, and maybe some technological things, and that's mostly just the time they lived in. We should be more like Athens, only everyone can vote and ballots are secret.

And togas are awesome, had to be said.
 

RebelRising

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For democracy to truly work, it needs to be more than a tug-of-war between just two parties, while everybody else is left in the dust.

This is a HUGE problem that I see in my country.
 

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RebelRising said:
For democracy to truly work, it needs to be more than a tug-of-war between just two parties, while everybody else is left in the dust.

This is a HUGE problem that I see in my country.
This party-line bullshit in America and probably Britain (probably not quite as bad there, since there's more prominent parties) is what's ruining this and probably other nations. People should vote on what they think is right, not based on parties.
/obviousstatement
 

Naeo

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Democracy doesn't work, so you know. We have a republic, not a democracy- in a democracy, every person votes on every thing.

Semi-socialism could work if governmental bodies weren't on the whole the single least competent things on the planet (and I am not exaggerating...kind of). Not "government controls all means of production" but "government offers some services and, you know, regulates the economy".

Communism, if everyone worked to make it work, but we have people in this country who don't even know what it is and hate it because "we're capitalist and communism is the enemy". Actually, scratch that, communalism, not communism. And, personally, I wouldn't be working to make it work if it were forced upon me. But if everyone wanted it to work and helped make it, it probably would.
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
It's not what you've done to me, but what you've done.
Thanks, you've ruined my sense of safety. Now I know I'm fucked, owell hopefully I'm near the far end of the list so I can hide.
Oh please. Everyone's on Max's list. He'll get all of us in the end. Coincidentally, Max, can you hurry up and get to me? It's just that the waiting for the inevitable does get pretty boring and I am contemplating suicide if you take any longer (And yes, that is the upper extent of how f*cked up my mind is).

On topic, I'm in favour of communism and socialism personally, but however, humanity can't handle it (for now, at least). Human instinct makes people think of life as a competition (survival of the fittest it used to be referred to as), people compete and always want more than each other. The result being a society where everyone is treated equally would never work, as people will always want more than each other. This usually results in the politicians being forced to favour a certain class or section of society (In the Soviet Union, politicians were favoured) and therefore, they're not being socialist and equal. This means that people become outraged at this unfairness, politicians deny it and may even kill people who stand against them and they suddenly have a hierarchy, with people supporting the politicians and the people the politicians support at the top and people against the leaders at the bottom. And they then start to fall apart and become the very thing they stood against.

Technically, no country has ever been communist as a result, and until humanity gets rid of this need for more than everyone else, running a communist society will be impossible. That's why for now, I'm in favour of democracy.
 

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There is no perfect government as mankind is extremely flawed in nature. The only thing that would work perfectly in my mind is, everyone does what the want for free, because they have a passion for that profession and helping others, no one gets greedy, and everyone shares and helps others, for no other reason then to do so. But that won't ever happen, it's the nature of the beast.
 

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Just make everyone take an Xtreme intelligence and personality test, and draft them to be in a big non-lethal survival of the fittest match and keep eliminating until the best person is chosen. What I'm proposing is that it starts in schools, and the people who are consistently the best, who exhibit leadership in school, and on mandatory outdoor trips, would be essentially be put in a big improve yourself organisation, and when thye were 40, the best person would become the leader.
 

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All Democracy devolves into an unsustainable socialism when people realize that they can vote to give themselves free shit they didn't earn. Democracy is very nice while it's working properly, but it will always fall apart.
The only way to prevent that is to restrict voting rights to people who are educated about the law and politics, have an understanding of history, and are able to think critically for themselves.

Even if we provided free education specifically geared to this "voting rights test" and anyone was welcomed and you could get as much free tutoring as you wanted, I doubt more than 25% (at MOST) would succeed or even try.

The problem with that is the few will essentially rule the many. So restricted voting will lead to an aristocratic totalitarian regime just as surely as unchecked voting will drag us down into socialism.

Both of those options suck pretty hard. :\
 

Xan Krieger

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The Volume said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Time Travelling Toaster said:
MaxTheReaper said:
It's not what you've done to me, but what you've done.
Thanks, you've ruined my sense of safety. Now I know I'm fucked, owell hopefully I'm near the far end of the list so I can hide.
I start in the middle and work both ways.
A random person said:
And to Max, first of all, sorry for posting and thus ruining my 666 posts, and second, your motto is dead on for what people are like: smart alone, retards together.
It happens, and thank you.
I thought it was pretty neat.
The Volume said:
Well aren't you just adorable, I just want to pinch your cheeks and eat you up. Anyway, allow me to correct this personification of a wasted life. You're just upset because you would actually have to get smarter to be a retard. It's similar to how a migrant worker would have to quadruple his pay to go from "Filthy-Mexican poor" to just regular poor. You would have to raise your IQ about 50 points to go from "starts-fights-with-ceiling-fans retarded" to "window-licking retarded."

But don't feel too bad, you do serve a purpose. If it weren't for you, people who are genuinely mentally challenged would have no one to look down on. I bet that guy from Life Goes On just read this and thought, 'At least I'm not that guy.' Then he went right back to eating an extension cord.
Not bad, but you put way too much effort into that.
It shows.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what you think, because what you've said has already proven my point.
I made a post, you flamed me, that makes you the troll
Not bad, but you put way too much effort into that.
It shows.
You totally busted us. This whole thing is a scam. I may be racist, and I may be a bastard, and I may be an asshole, but...I forgot where I was going with that. Regardless, you're an idiot.

Nice work on that last sentence, by the way. It's obvious that you simply put on a blindfold and repeatedly hit the keyboard with your pudding spoon, yet you still managed to make some words. You didn't create a coherent thought, but with a little work and some patience from the teacher that typically just teaches deaf and blind children how to say "food" and "bathroom," you'll be sleeping in a bed without restraints any day now.
just a little FYI, nobody beats Max except for the mods and even then it's a pyrrhic victory.

On topic
ILPPendant said:
It is said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried.
This quote from Civilization IV just about says it all. Democracy seems to work because it gives the people the power to remove their country's leader peacefully. In Many other forms of government because the leader has nothing to fear from the people he takes advantage of his power (see Saddam, Joseph Stalin, the Taliban [as far as I know]).
 

Xan Krieger

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The Volume said:
Xan Krieger said:
The Volume said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Time Travelling Toaster said:
MaxTheReaper said:
It's not what you've done to me, but what you've done.
Thanks, you've ruined my sense of safety. Now I know I'm fucked, owell hopefully I'm near the far end of the list so I can hide.
I start in the middle and work both ways.
A random person said:
And to Max, first of all, sorry for posting and thus ruining my 666 posts, and second, your motto is dead on for what people are like: smart alone, retards together.
It happens, and thank you.
I thought it was pretty neat.
The Volume said:
Well aren't you just adorable, I just want to pinch your cheeks and eat you up. Anyway, allow me to correct this personification of a wasted life. You're just upset because you would actually have to get smarter to be a retard. It's similar to how a migrant worker would have to quadruple his pay to go from "Filthy-Mexican poor" to just regular poor. You would have to raise your IQ about 50 points to go from "starts-fights-with-ceiling-fans retarded" to "window-licking retarded."

But don't feel too bad, you do serve a purpose. If it weren't for you, people who are genuinely mentally challenged would have no one to look down on. I bet that guy from Life Goes On just read this and thought, 'At least I'm not that guy.' Then he went right back to eating an extension cord.
Not bad, but you put way too much effort into that.
It shows.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what you think, because what you've said has already proven my point.
I made a post, you flamed me, that makes you the troll
Not bad, but you put way too much effort into that.
It shows.
You totally busted us. This whole thing is a scam. I may be racist, and I may be a bastard, and I may be an asshole, but...I forgot where I was going with that. Regardless, you're an idiot.

Nice work on that last sentence, by the way. It's obvious that you simply put on a blindfold and repeatedly hit the keyboard with your pudding spoon, yet you still managed to make some words. You didn't create a coherent thought, but with a little work and some patience from the teacher that typically just teaches deaf and blind children how to say "food" and "bathroom," you'll be sleeping in a bed without restraints any day now.
just a little FYI, nobody beats Max except for the mods and even then it's a pyrrhic victory.

On topic
ILPPendant said:
It is said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried.
This quote from Civilization IV just about says it all. Democracy seems to work because it gives the people the power to remove their country's leader peacefully. In Many other forms of government because the leader has nothing to fear from the people he takes advantage of his power (see Saddam, Joseph Stalin, the Taliban [as far as I know]).
Kind of hard to beat his ass when your sucking his dick.
This is highly inappropriate. I did not flame you, merely provided you with a little heads up.
 

Xan Krieger

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The Volume said:
Xan Krieger said:
The Volume said:
Xan Krieger said:
The Volume said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Time Travelling Toaster said:
MaxTheReaper said:
It's not what you've done to me, but what you've done.
Thanks, you've ruined my sense of safety. Now I know I'm fucked, owell hopefully I'm near the far end of the list so I can hide.
I start in the middle and work both ways.
A random person said:
And to Max, first of all, sorry for posting and thus ruining my 666 posts, and second, your motto is dead on for what people are like: smart alone, retards together.
It happens, and thank you.
I thought it was pretty neat.
The Volume said:
Well aren't you just adorable, I just want to pinch your cheeks and eat you up. Anyway, allow me to correct this personification of a wasted life. You're just upset because you would actually have to get smarter to be a retard. It's similar to how a migrant worker would have to quadruple his pay to go from "Filthy-Mexican poor" to just regular poor. You would have to raise your IQ about 50 points to go from "starts-fights-with-ceiling-fans retarded" to "window-licking retarded."

But don't feel too bad, you do serve a purpose. If it weren't for you, people who are genuinely mentally challenged would have no one to look down on. I bet that guy from Life Goes On just read this and thought, 'At least I'm not that guy.' Then he went right back to eating an extension cord.
Not bad, but you put way too much effort into that.
It shows.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what you think, because what you've said has already proven my point.
I made a post, you flamed me, that makes you the troll
Not bad, but you put way too much effort into that.
It shows.
You totally busted us. This whole thing is a scam. I may be racist, and I may be a bastard, and I may be an asshole, but...I forgot where I was going with that. Regardless, you're an idiot.

Nice work on that last sentence, by the way. It's obvious that you simply put on a blindfold and repeatedly hit the keyboard with your pudding spoon, yet you still managed to make some words. You didn't create a coherent thought, but with a little work and some patience from the teacher that typically just teaches deaf and blind children how to say "food" and "bathroom," you'll be sleeping in a bed without restraints any day now.
just a little FYI, nobody beats Max except for the mods and even then it's a pyrrhic victory.

On topic
ILPPendant said:
It is said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried.
This quote from Civilization IV just about says it all. Democracy seems to work because it gives the people the power to remove their country's leader peacefully. In Many other forms of government because the leader has nothing to fear from the people he takes advantage of his power (see Saddam, Joseph Stalin, the Taliban [as far as I know]).
Kind of hard to beat his ass when your sucking his dick.
This is highly inappropriate. I did not flame you, merely provided you with a little heads up.
I'm just trying to put into perspective what some of you goddamn assholes actually ask of us. You don't like something, so you just want to ban it from the forum? Well some people don't like your dumb ass. Should we be allowed to just get rid of you?

You know, the Nazis tried to get rid of something they found offensive. They were called Jews. Wait...that's a bad analogy, because our posts are awesome!
Let's get a few things straight.
1. I never said I sided with Max, I just know there are some people you can't beat.
2. The bit that was inappropriate was the bit where you called me a cocksucker.
3. I don't want anything banned from the forum except what already is (basically illegal things).
4. I was just trying to save you some effort because I know nothing good comes from arguments on here. People just tend to get banned.
Please understand that I'm not being hostile, I just don't want things to get out of hand.
 

Hakazaba

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The only utopian idea is if instead of elected leaders, everyone would vote on individual issues insted of trying to elect the least retarded party who have their own agenda, and then blame the voters for there own mistakes.

However this would never work because human kind as a whole is to thick to make any major decition. Maybe the IQ voting limit would be a good idea but it would be impossible to regulate. The IQ system is a hugely flawed anyway.

Before you disregard my point of view and say that im an idiot, know that i was given a IQ of 142 in that usless test.