Skullgirls Dev Dismisses Cries of Sexism

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Sexist? Really? If the character designs in Skullgirls is enough to get people to cry "sexist," then I really hope those people never get exposed to, quite literally, every [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/7597/284529-door_poster___cammy_by_udoncrew_large.jpg] other [http://www.fightersgeneration.com/np5/char/mai-cvs2-fix.jpg] fighting [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2fRhGd1r4WU/TeTEgR2umFI/AAAAAAAAAag/CJ6--aG-DDQ/s1600/101713-29.jpg] game [http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/19600000/Jade-Kitana-Mileena-Sindel-and-Sonya-the-ladies-of-mortal-kombat-19655919-1244-671.jpg] ever [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/16148/488714-girlsofanime22.jpg] made [http://www.wallcoo.net/game/rumble_roses/images/20050829114210-1.jpg] ever [http://s.uvlist.net/l/y2009/06/59496.jpg]; their poor heads might explode.

Sure, I have no doubt that sexism still exists within gaming world (anyone who has ever played an Xbox 360 game online knows this to be true), but Skullgirls is just being stylish, not exploitative.
 

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poiumty said:
Oh god, again with the "offended" bullshit.

Fucking stop it. Are we in such an age that we have completely lost our backbone? Where the fuck did understanding and tolerance go if we're gonna let our precious feelings inspire our hatred for the smallest things?

Rhetorical questions.

Sir Strange Of The House Lycan said:
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Hey, a woman did it so it's totally not sexism!

...lol...

FogHornG36 said:
oh, because the Japanese don't have 100 games like this already, and when they do it, its just fine with everyone
It is? When did that happen?
Other than Rapelay, when was the last time you heard something like this happen with a Japanese hentai game?
If "something like this" means "scantily dressed females with pronounced forms", then you have no idea.
Have you seen hardcore pawn? its a TV set in the biggest pawn shop in detorit, people go crazy there every day, just watch it and see.

And yea what happened to the backbone of most people, did it decide to leave them at somepoint and they didn't know?
 

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"Our characters are strong, powerful women who happen to be attractive,"
Well you did design them to be attractive right ? Or did it just happen ? Im always finding myself drawing women that HAPPEN to be attractive. WHAT ?
So all the women are what ? Feminists ?

"We don't have anyone like [Street Fighter's] Cammy, who wraps her legs around your leg then beats you senseless with her Kegel muscles - or whatever is going on in that Cammy Super"
No you just have a 2D fighter, with an all female cast, with skimpy clothing.

I dont even know why im commenting.
 

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I've been knee-deep in femenism/sexism issues all goddam day, so I'm not gonna talking about this one, other than pointing out that if this guy wants to defend claims of sexism, "A single woman approved of this!" is a really shitty arguments and highlights the fact that he may not have better arguments.
 

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Thats pretty dumb... a anime style fighter that has fan service. BIG BLOODY SHOCK!!!

For me this is just like that little joke PETA had with Mario. I can see where your coming from but its still a fairly shallow argument with little to nothing behind it and lets not forget there are genuine acts of animal cruelty/ sexism out there that reeeeeeally need bloody attention.

I'll admit the arguments the dev is giving are fairly lame but most characters in these games suffer from that. Not just sexual stuff but all the characters tend to be excentric but I dont see this as a negative thing. A zombie, cat girl who fights by dismembering herself and playing cat and mouse with her opponents... that sounds awesome. Fan-service can be part of the aesthetic if done right (im talking about all fan service characters, be they guy or gal, sexy, psycho, moe... infact most fighting games thrive on this) and this seems like one of those games.

I'm still not getting it though as fighting games drive me bonkers.
 

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Methinks as well, if we're so keen in calling "Godwin's Law" around here, the very term "feminazi" is a Godwin's Law. I mean, comparing people worried about sexism, even if the make a mistake, in a society of male dominance and privilege, to a nazi, is a bit ridiculous, if you ask me. More than almost every case of "Godwin's Law". Feminists aren't anything like nazis in the slightest. And detractors aren't just comparing their actions to something a nazi has done, they're calling feminists nazis. It's utter insanity.

Pedro The Hutt said:
Except, y'know, the guys in Gears of War are beefcakes to pander to a male audience as well. So you can't call sexism since they are designed like that to appeal to men as well. So hey, there goes your argument.
Indeed, not only do feminists complain about such things. It's not exactly comparable, either. In the majority of video games, both male and female characters are made to pander to males with a certain common, socially accepted viewpoint. The male characters are a part of a male power fantasy. Like said on this video:

There are cases in video games where there is clear fanservice intended for women, even cases where a franchise is changed up to better appeal to women. One such case in the Metal Gear series, with the introduction of Raiden. Look up any source, it's stated that the character was introduced, at least, in order to appeal to a female audience. The people who complained about it were men, lamenting that their "badass" series they could "proudly" play alongside games like Duken Nukem had been ruined by Beta male bishounen.

Honestly, if there's anything sexist about how, while the female characters in most games are scantily clad curvy women with tiny stomachs, huge boobs and huge hips(and if it isn't an anime game, usually huge lips with lipstick on them). And male characters, who aren't anime characters(and sometimes, occasionally them, as well) as gigantic steroid meatheads, it all paints a picture of "men are better than women", more than "oh no, women and men are both put to unfair standards". The standard in place may hold men to an unfair standard, but that's because it's saying "men are awesome". Is it saying women are awesome? No, it's saying women are sexy. And don't pretend that being seen as sexy is as good as being seen as strong and capable, it's not.

You know, white supremacy and saying that white people are productive, wealth creating inventors better than other racist may be unfair in that it holds white people up to a standard of success that other races aren't. But it's still a white supremacist social standard. The fact that people are so unaware of said privilege shows just how pervasive it is, that people look at a male supremacist standard of men, and claim that women are double standard holding whiners that need to shut up.
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
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From what I saw of the trailer, yeah they were sexy, but they weren't being sexual. Their moves aren't sexualized. Their titties don't jiggle like the one's in that one volley ball game. It just seems like the attractiveness of the women is an aesthetic choice. (How many people here like looking at drawings of or drawing ugly women? What about even AVERAGE women?) If it's sexist to make a game in the anime aesthetic, to animate characters which look good according to your judgement, then I, personally, am a huge, unadulterated, no holds barred, motherfucking sexist.
Agreed. I can see being offended by the DOA series, it is actively sexualizing women and includes little mini games. This is just a quirky little fighter with an anime aesthetic. To clarify, outside of their initial design, they never emphasize sexualization in the game.
Although I agree with you guys, thinking about it there wasn't much to go on by this trailer. One character who didn't seem overly sexualised (the outfits abit skimpy I suppose). Maybe a full roster of the characters with their animations would be clearer.

Even if it was overly sexualised I don't see this as a bad thing though. Sexy can still be deep its just a shame people seem to think its enough. If a guys sexy, great! If a girls sexy, banging! I think the big problem is the fact that alot of female characters are JUST sexy and nothing else... its not just offensive, ITS BLOODY BORING!!!
 

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I dunno. I think I'm going to reserve judgement. I dismissed the Arkham City sexism controversy as nothing but attention-hungry commentators until I actually played it.

And yeah, 'we got a girl to animate it' really doesn't do much to help his case.
 

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I agree that this game is very tame with the sexuality. To me the whole they're all women thing is just a gimmick to get noticed in the horrid expanses that is the games market. The first game that comes to mind is Darkstalkers with all the weird characters.
EDIT: I'll believe the sexism charges when Skullgirls extreme beach volleyball comes out
 

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I completely agree with that developer. It isn't sexism if all they're doing is choosing to make their characters highly attractive. It's just white knights QQing.
 

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PunkRex said:
RedEyesBlackGamer said:
conflictofinterests said:
From what I saw of the trailer, yeah they were sexy, but they weren't being sexual. Their moves aren't sexualized. Their titties don't jiggle like the one's in that one volley ball game. It just seems like the attractiveness of the women is an aesthetic choice. (How many people here like looking at drawings of or drawing ugly women? What about even AVERAGE women?) If it's sexist to make a game in the anime aesthetic, to animate characters which look good according to your judgement, then I, personally, am a huge, unadulterated, no holds barred, motherfucking sexist.
Agreed. I can see being offended by the DOA series, it is actively sexualizing women and includes little mini games. This is just a quirky little fighter with an anime aesthetic. To clarify, outside of their initial design, they never emphasize sexualization in the game.
Although I agree with you guys, thinking about it there wasn't much to go on by this trailer. One character who didn't seem overly sexualised (the outfits abit skimpy I suppose). Maybe a full roster of the characters with their animations would be clearer.

Even if it was overly sexualised I don't see this as a bad thing though. Sexy can still be deep its just a shame people seem to think its enough. If a guys sexy, great! If a girls sexy, banging! I think the big problem is the fact that alot of female characters are JUST sexy and nothing else... its not just offensive, ITS BLOODY BORING!!!
They have released a number of character trailers. Nothing suggests anything will change. I see your point, though. I guess we will all just have to buy it at release and see. ;)
 

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Arawn.Chernobog said:
Stephen Fry said:
It's now very common to hear people say 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights; it's actually nothing more...it's simply a whine. 'I find that offensive,' it has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I'm offended by that,' well so fucking what?
Ands he's not only super smart but gay so... apparently thats worth more points.
 

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Am I the only one not seeing the "over-sexualization" in this game? I've seen three or four trailers now and the character design is so oddball that the last thing I notice is how the female anatomy is portrayed.
Exactly, when there is a cat girl ripping her own head to throw at her enemies, I'm not really paying attention to sexuality. Theres nothing explicitly pandering from what I've seen.
 

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Mike Kayatta said:
Bartholow puts a lot of stock in the fact that a woman, not a man, was the one who handled the animations. "She intentionally lavishes attention on the breasts herself because she thinks it's cool," he explained. "All the people who seem bothered by it are guys. It's a weird chivalry intent thing that's sort of misplaced and maybe shallow, even, because they see breasts and panty flashes and they go, that's sexist, but I've yet to meet a woman who has complained about it. They're over-thinking it."
This.

Hi. Female gamer and feminist here to say - there's nothing offensive about this game. Actually, the game looks pretty awesome.

Stop with the knee-jerk "oh god, it's sexist!" every time someone makes a game with big breasts.

If they were all weak idiots who needed a man to save them, THAT would be sexist.

This game is the opposite. It is a game about powerful women kicking ass.

I wouldn't say it's pushing any envelopes, but it certainly isn't as sexist as half a dozen AAA titles I can think of off the top of my head. And no, I won't be posting that list here, thanks.

Edit: Also, note - in this thread alone, female Escapist members keep saying "it's fine" while male Escapist members are saying things like "troll logic". Guys - really - it's fine. Women have breasts. We like our breasts (well, most of us). It's nothing to be ashamed of.
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
PunkRex said:
RedEyesBlackGamer said:
conflictofinterests said:
From what I saw of the trailer, yeah they were sexy, but they weren't being sexual. Their moves aren't sexualized. Their titties don't jiggle like the one's in that one volley ball game. It just seems like the attractiveness of the women is an aesthetic choice. (How many people here like looking at drawings of or drawing ugly women? What about even AVERAGE women?) If it's sexist to make a game in the anime aesthetic, to animate characters which look good according to your judgement, then I, personally, am a huge, unadulterated, no holds barred, motherfucking sexist.
Agreed. I can see being offended by the DOA series, it is actively sexualizing women and includes little mini games. This is just a quirky little fighter with an anime aesthetic. To clarify, outside of their initial design, they never emphasize sexualization in the game.
Although I agree with you guys, thinking about it there wasn't much to go on by this trailer. One character who didn't seem overly sexualised (the outfits abit skimpy I suppose). Maybe a full roster of the characters with their animations would be clearer.

Even if it was overly sexualised I don't see this as a bad thing though. Sexy can still be deep its just a shame people seem to think its enough. If a guys sexy, great! If a girls sexy, banging! I think the big problem is the fact that alot of female characters are JUST sexy and nothing else... its not just offensive, ITS BLOODY BORING!!!
I see your point, but they have released a number of character trailers. Nothing suggests anything will change. I see your point, though. I guess we will all just have to buy it at release and see. ;)
Well I don't know abo- WAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!!!
 

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Jumwa said:
I do notice more and more games tend to be getting backlash for female sexuality from male gamers. Or just sexuality in general. Somehow the Witcher 2 gets called "notoriously sexual" by some, despite having (per hours of content) less sex than your typical movie, for instance.

My best guess is that a lot of it has to do with males feeling insecure that game makers are trying to take advantage of them through this. Maybe mixed with North America's tendency to be very skittish with sex in general.

And on a personal, anecdotal note, my partner enjoys games with sexy women. She's not bothered by sexuality in games, and neither am I.
That is because those guys think that if they will act all pro-feministic, then they will get a few chances to get laid. That is all IMHO, of course.
 

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drisky said:
Lvl 64 Klutz said:
Am I the only one not seeing the "over-sexualization" in this game? I've seen three or four trailers now and the character design is so oddball that the last thing I notice is how the female anatomy is portrayed.
Exactly, when there is a cat girl ripping her own head to throw at her enemies, I'm not really paying attention to sexuality. Theres nothing explicitly pandering from what I've seen.
Thats why I think a full character roster would give a clearer pic, this trailer just made me go "ZOMBIE, CAT GIRL, PSYCHO, THEIF!!!"