Skyrim 1.2 and Steam

[SidingWithTheEnemy]

Steam didn't accept that I don't want any more patches, it installed the new one even though I kindly asked it not to.

So after the whole mess with Patch 1.2, I went through the pain and reinstalled the game.

Steam was "kind enough" to ignore my order not to update the game again and patched it right back to 1.2

So I reinstalled it again, this time I cut the internet connection as soon as it said it installed from the disc.

It finished installing without problems, so I restarted Steam in Offline Mode.

But Steam refuses to start the game, because it's not ready. No, you can't play that game because we have to patch it first.

"This game is not ready to be played in Offline Mode!"

Go f*ck you - Steam. Seriously. I hate you! I m*therf*cking hate you. When this is all over and the community has created and unofficial patch I will acquire the necessary knowledge to program a Mod that lets me rename every stupid men women and children after those responsible for such idiotic features. Someone has to be responsible for that! I will find out their names, and their names of their spouses and their children and their parents and grandparents, I will name every NPC after them.

Then I will download one of those mods that enables the player to enter rape mode with a huge pink Daedric dildo and then I will order my character to rape everyone to death in this game, including Frost Trolls and Baby Bears...

Then I'm going to cast resurrection and do it all again, just "for the lulz".

That's how angry I am now.

What am I supposed to do? Go to pirate bay and look for a torrent to get the OLD version back?
What so difficult to understand in "I don't want any updates - It's working fine, thank you!"
What's wrong with you people? 15 Years ago, gaming and Patches (respectively) weren't so obnoxiously oppressive. Are we living in the third Reich of gaming?

So, now after this rant and after I have let out some steam! (ARGAGRHGHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, No Pun intended...)
Do you have any insightful advices or dismissive and or disguting (or -ted) comments?

[edit] Wow, for Post N°666 this was pretty fitting[/edit]

 

[AugustFall]

I agree. The lack of offline functionality has been a problem and Valve need to fix it.

But this is Bethesda fault for breaking their own game.

 

[Absolutionis]

Why don't you want to update anyways?
It really seems like you're grasping at straws trying to find something to complain about regarding Steam.

The whole point of an update is the make the game better. The primary reason people disable updates is that they get in the way of people's game time. Considering you already waited through the 1.2 update TWICE, I'm really unsure what your problem is.
The auto-update functionality is a feature of convenience. While I'm playing Skyrim, TF2 will be updating in the background.

 

[Bobic]

The third Reich of gaming? I think Godwin would like to have a word with you.

 

[SidingWithTheEnemy]

Why don't you want to update anyways?
It really seems like you're grasping at straws trying to find something to complain about regarding Steam.

The whole point of an update is the make the game better. The primary reason people disable updates is that they get in the way of people's game time. Considering you already waited through the 1.2 update TWICE, I'm really unsure what your problem is.
The auto-update functionality is a feature of convenience. While I'm playing Skyrim, TF2 will be updating in the background.

What's the matter with you? Are you trolling?

a) I never wanted that update.
b) I told Steam not to update, but it just ignored me.
c) I tried to install everything again, still telling Steam not to update, but to no avail. If you want to have backward flying dragons, broken resistances and utterly incompletable quests, be my guest, enjoy your enforced update policy. I like to chose and when I chose I would kindly ask Steam to do what I told it to do.

I agree. The lack of offline functionality has been a problem and Valve need to fix it.

But this is Bethesda fault for breaking their own game.

Well Steam should have seen this coming. It's not the first Patch of said company or of some merchandise of the Steam marketplace where people don't like the patches.

 

[M4t3us]

I foresee a warning!

That aside I found the 1.2 patch actually improved my PC installation of Skyrim, I can remap the keyboard properly now to account for me being left handed and having a 7 button mouse.

 

[Agayek]

Why don't you want to update anyways?
It really seems like you're grasping at straws trying to find something to complain about regarding Steam.

The whole point of an update is the make the game better. The primary reason people disable updates is that they get in the way of people's game time. Considering you already waited through the 1.2 update TWICE, I'm really unsure what your problem is.
The auto-update functionality is a feature of convenience. While I'm playing Skyrim, TF2 will be updating in the background.

The problem is that the 1.2 update is an utter pile of shit that solves absolutely nothing and introduces a slew of new bugs into the game. You're very lucky if you haven't run into any.

 

[SidingWithTheEnemy]

What is up with all this "Why" questioning?

I don't need a reason for NOT patching.

I believe I am perfectly entitled NOT to use patches.
That's why. Because Sherogath told me I will get cheese for the rest of my life if I don't install that patch, that's why.
Want another reason?
I used to install patches like you. Then I got an arrow in my knee.

Seriously:
Because, from the bottom of my heart, I hate patches. Patches and me come a long way. We have been happy together for about 25 years of gaming. But just in the recent two years Patches and I don't get well together anymore.
How dare you questioning my motives.
I have reasons why I don't want patches and these reasons are my own. Just leave it like that.

Steam apparently even offers me the choice not to patch but then goes forth and ignores it and patches anyway.

I foresee a warning![...]

What kind of warning are you expecting here? Are you implying I have wrote something bad or what?

 

[M4t3us]

I foresee a warning![...]

What kind of warning are you expecting here? Are you implying I have wrote something bad or what?

Something weighing on your conscience, there?

No, when I said that I didn't mean you'd be the one getting a warning, foreboding is not an exact science!

Back OT: I do agree with you that Steam has that annoying twitch to patch games even when you don't want it to, I remember patch 1.5 for Fallout 3 and the struggle I had with it. I just wound up giving up and downloading it from TPB. Sure it's annyoing, but I wouldn't say I "motherf*cking" hate steam over it.


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[SidingWithTheEnemy]

No, I'm feeling as guilt-free as those little buggers pestering me in Whiterun.
I just react defensive when I am in such mood. Yes I blame Steam and Bethesda. But Bethesda actually made that game and Steam should have known better. Steam has a good service and a good grasp of customers support. Bethesda has a good grasp how to make great games. Both s*ck in other departments...
And whoever came up with the idea of forcing patches unto the users without their explicit consent deserve a sizable amount of pain and agony (in my humble opinion)

Oh and I think (s)he doesn't deserve a warning, (s)he meant well (I suppose)

 

[suitepee7]

The third Reich of gaming? I think Godwin would like to have a word with you.

oh, OHHH, I GOT A COMIC FOR JUST SUCH AN OCCASION!

OT: I hate to say it, but that is one of Steams downsides, it has to make sure the game is ready to be played and such by checking if it needs to be updated.

Happened to me with L4D2, and honestly I dont see why it is such a big deal.


Well, yea, I can see why with Skyrim, but really the modding community should already have a fix out by now.

Check with Nexus and see if there isn't a fix or workaround just yet.

There is no need to resort to pirating to fix your issues.

I foresee a warning!

That aside I found the 1.2 patch actually improved my PC installation of Skyrim, I can remap the keyboard properly now to account for me being left handed and having a 7 button mouse.

seven button mouse?

why would you need a seven button mouse?

WHY WOULD THERE BE A NEED FOR A SEVEN BUTTONED MOUSE?


also, why is everything always seven these days?

7-up.

7 buttoned mice.

7 proxies.

[sub]could it be a conspiracy?[/sub]


but I honestly haven't heard of anyone having problems with editing keymaps.

Maybe with your alleged mythical mouse of seven the game wasn't registering the additional buttons.

yeah, there is, a big one. you could remap the keys, but the old ones still worked at the same time, so you weren't sure which button to press. it got worse where remapping would only work in certain situations, for example im left handed and using a laptop, so instead of WASD i use IJKL, and i replace tab with #. the game didnt like that, so to close every menu or leave a conversation i had to completely move my hand.

also, lockpicking still used WASD controls.

regardless, 1.2 seems to have fixed it, which is something bethesda NEVER did for the fallout games >_>

 

[isometry]

Did you have problems with 1.2 after re-installing? I've learned to ignore people who whine about bugs on the internet, because statistically there are hundreds of thousands of players so a few people have bugs and blow things out of proportion. Personally I haven't had any problems with 1.2 and it improved a few things.

 

[John the Gamer]

I had the same problem; game works just fine, patch breaks it to hell.

Solution:

Find/Install a no-cd crack of sorts and wait until the patches are patched by their patches' patches. That's how bethesda is after all. They don't know their patches from their bugs.

Or, if you prefer the legal road, try to enjoy the bugs, or play a different game. The time you don't spend playing it will only make the return all the better.

 

[Weslebear]

Patch has made my Steam copy just run a bit smoother? Seems a lot of people are damn unlucky with Bethesda.

Also,

seven button mouse?

why would you need a seven button mouse?

WHY WOULD THERE BE A NEED FOR A SEVEN BUTTONED MOUSE?


also, why is everything always seven these days?

7-up.

7 buttoned mice.

7 proxies.

[sub]could it be a conspiracy?[/sub]


but I honestly haven't heard of anyone having problems with editing keymaps.

Maybe with your alleged mythical mouse of seven the game wasn't registering the additional buttons.

Enjoy having your mind blown:

17 buttons in total.

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

The patch has made the game unplayable for me.
It crashes every time it saves, including autosaves, even with autosaves off it will still crash randomly.
If i somehow manage to play it for long enough to load a new area without it crashing, textures dont load properly and half of the buildings/people turn purple.
In addition to that im getting more general bugs than i used to.

with patch 1.1 i experianced 1 bug in 80+ hours of playing.
with patch 1.2 ive experianced 100+ crashes/bugs in 4 hours of playing.

 

[fix-the-spade]

5 Years ago, gaming and Patches (respectively) weren't so obnoxiously oppressive. Are we living in the third Reich of gaming?

Nope, we're living in the Soviet Union of gaming.

The party decides what you can play, how you can play it, when you can play it and what version you want to play. It is the same thing, in the same way, at the same time and what we give you.

This is life as a modern gamer, it's also why I've spent less than £100 on games in the last twelve months. Personally I can't wait for the great digital distribution collapse, something has to make it happen sooner or later.

 

[Smithburg]

Goto your computer, goto the drive steam is in, goto steamapps, goto common, click the steam folder, then click the steam.exe and it will run skyrim without running steam. Found that out when i couldnt connect to online or offline mode in steam and it just runs the game like it normally would

 

[Smeggs]

I remember an update back on my old computer to Steam. My computer already played games pretty crappily as it was, but that update...

Not only did it render HL2 and G-Mod unplayable for me, but my HL2DM had some sort of map problems. Whenever I'd enter a match, the entire map would simply be made of white wireframe.

Spoiler: This, just not as detailed

Had to make a completely new account, luckily someone pointed out at some point some free HL2DM Stram downloads, so I got it back and working.

 

[SidingWithTheEnemy]

Did you have problems with 1.2 after re-installing? I've learned to ignore people who whine about bugs on the internet, because statistically there are hundreds of thousands of players so a few people have bugs and blow things out of proportion. Personally I haven't had any problems with 1.2 and it improved a few things.

You know, this almost sounds offensive but I know exactly what you mean and I totally agree with you.
But I think you missed the point as this isn't about the bugs (The bugs are a secondary concern) It's about the whole playing offline / playing without the latest patch thing.

If I prefer a previous (of a game I legally purchased a license to play) it would be kinda nice to play that previous version, don't you think?
Additionally, the EULA where I probably agreed to allow autoupdating without my explicit prior consent isn't really appropriate/legal in my country.
Last but not least I'm pretty sure I know where all the "new bugs" come from, would I start a new characer from scratch it would resolve most issues, but after spending more than 150h with my character I grow rather attached to it and I don't want to give him up just because Steam wants to patch something that was never broken in the first place.

Goto your computer, goto the drive steam is in, goto steamapps, goto common, click the steam folder, then click the steam.exe and it will run skyrim without running steam. Found that out when i couldnt connect to online or offline mode in steam and it just runs the game like it normally would

Either I'm doing it wrong or it doesn't work with me because:

This game is not ready to be played in offline Mode!

It's like a spoilt brat:
I'm going to patch this game or you don't going to play it.

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