So I saw Moana, and I can't help but think....

[happyninja42]

That I just watched a Scion campaign with an Islander pantheon. Because holy shit were some of those abilities displayed straight out of that book!

I mean hell, they even call Maoi a Demigod, and Moana is apparently the child of some water goddess, given the abilities she displays.

I went and saw it with my wife, and then again with my god daughter's, and every time I kept thinking to myself. "I can probably whip up a pantheon for this without much trouble, and have some fun sailing, godly adventures in line for my players."

So anyone else get that vibe from the movie? Obviously I'm not accusing Disney of stealing anything, but the nature of the story being told, these myths brought to life, with magic and hidden realms, etc, it's so straight out of Scion that it's just lovely.

 

[happyninja42]

Ok so, there are some very specific things, that yes, are very generically mythic, but also very specific to Scion's concept.

Since you haven't seen it yet, I'll put these behind a spoiler, but they aren't really a major spoiler, as most are explained within the first 10 minutes, and aren't big plot issues.

Spoiler

So Moana basically has the exact description of the first Boon power under the Water purview. Able to swim super fast through the water. Able to manipulate it directly, to move it out of her way, or to help her, etc. Secondly, Maoi, is unable to do his shapeshifting without his magic hook, just like Relics work with Scion. Also he's got a lot of the Epic Attributes, Strength, Stamina, Charisma, etc. There is also a big epic mythical beast, or two actually, that the heroes have to challenge. There's also Tifiti, basically an Earth Mother diety as well, so you've got 2 gods to start the pantheon

Now again, I know it's easy to say that's an easy comparison, but what I really mean is that the mood of it felt like I was watching a reenactment of someone's Scion campaign with their kid or something. This single player story, with an NPC companion to help her out because she's currently a low Legend Hero. And yes, that would be because Scion makes a point of trying to emulate the feeling of our myths and legends, but it just so perfectly gelled in my head. Coupled with the fact that Maoi is from actual mythology, it wouldn't be much effort to flesh out the rest of their Pantheon using the Scion rules.

Basically I'm just saying that watching the movie really sparked my "Must Run SCION!" bug in my butt, so I'm dusting off my books and going to run my friends through something. xD

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I haven't seen it, I don't actually intend to see it and I'll kinda be shocked if it does well... only because the film doesn't really seem to align with my tastes.

That I just watched a Scion campaign with an Islander pantheon. Because holy shit were some of those abilities displayed straight out of that book!

I mean hell, they even call Maoi a Demigod, and Moana is apparently the child of some water goddess, given the abilities she displays.

I went and saw it with my wife, and then again with my god daughter's, and every time I kept thinking to myself. "I can probably whip up a pantheon for this without much trouble, and have some fun sailing, godly adventures in line for my players."

So anyone else get that vibe from the movie? Obviously I'm not accusing Disney of stealing anything, but the nature of the story being told, these myths brought to life, with magic and hidden realms, etc, it's so straight out of Scion that it's just lovely.

So you're talking about Culturally appropriating a whole religion for a game? I iz triggered.

 

[happyninja42]

I haven't seen it, I don't actually intend to see it and I'll kinda be shocked if it does well... only because the film doesn't really seem to align with my tastes.

That I just watched a Scion campaign with an Islander pantheon. Because holy shit were some of those abilities displayed straight out of that book!

I mean hell, they even call Maoi a Demigod, and Moana is apparently the child of some water goddess, given the abilities she displays.

I went and saw it with my wife, and then again with my god daughter's, and every time I kept thinking to myself. "I can probably whip up a pantheon for this without much trouble, and have some fun sailing, godly adventures in line for my players."

So anyone else get that vibe from the movie? Obviously I'm not accusing Disney of stealing anything, but the nature of the story being told, these myths brought to life, with magic and hidden realms, etc, it's so straight out of Scion that it's just lovely.

So you're talking about Culturally appropriating a whole religion for a game? I iz triggered.

Then perhaps you should do as the Dude does, and just abide.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I haven't seen it, I don't actually intend to see it and I'll kinda be shocked if it does well... only because the film doesn't really seem to align with my tastes.

That I just watched a Scion campaign with an Islander pantheon. Because holy shit were some of those abilities displayed straight out of that book!

I mean hell, they even call Maoi a Demigod, and Moana is apparently the child of some water goddess, given the abilities she displays.

I went and saw it with my wife, and then again with my god daughter's, and every time I kept thinking to myself. "I can probably whip up a pantheon for this without much trouble, and have some fun sailing, godly adventures in line for my players."

So anyone else get that vibe from the movie? Obviously I'm not accusing Disney of stealing anything, but the nature of the story being told, these myths brought to life, with magic and hidden realms, etc, it's so straight out of Scion that it's just lovely.

So you're talking about Culturally appropriating a whole religion for a game? I iz triggered.

Then perhaps you should do as the Dude does, and just abide.

This cultural aggresson will not stand man.

I don't actually care.

 

[Saelune]

I thought the movie would basically be a Hawaiian DnD adventure, but it wasnt and that disappointed me. They build up this fantasy side of things but dont actually deliver. I wanted something more like Disney's Hercules.

 

[happyninja42]

I thought the movie would basically be a Hawaiian DnD adventure, but it wasnt and that disappointed me. They build up this fantasy side of things but dont actually deliver. I wanted something more like Disney's Hercules.

Odd that you say that, as I recall one reviewer comparing it to Herc. I am puzzled about how you don't think it was a Hawaiian DnD adventure? I mean, they had challenges, had to brave monsters, delve into a dungeon, recover lost treasure, learn to work as a team, had the inevitable party blow up argument, then fought a big monster. Sounds like most DnD games I've played in. Did you need a body count or something for it to be "DnD"? Maybe they needed to ransack more houses for loot?

 

[Saelune]

I thought the movie would basically be a Hawaiian DnD adventure, but it wasnt and that disappointed me. They build up this fantasy side of things but dont actually deliver. I wanted something more like Disney's Hercules.

Odd that you say that, as I recall one reviewer comparing it to Herc. I am puzzled about how you don't think it was a Hawaiian DnD adventure? I mean, they had challenges, had to brave monsters, delve into a dungeon, recover lost treasure, learn to work as a team, had the inevitable party blow up argument, then fought a big monster. Sounds like most DnD games I've played in. Did you need a body count or something for it to be "DnD"? Maybe they needed to ransack more houses for loot?

They fought some coconut things, a big crab and thats about it. They go to this fantastical world of monsters...and fight a giant crab...

I was expecting most of the movie to be the two of them traveling the seas dealing with odd encounters. But they spent too long with Moana whining on her home island, and not enough time on the actual adventure.

4 songs, 4! before anything even actually happens in the movie.

 

[starbear]

That I just watched a Scion campaign with an Islander pantheon. Because holy shit were some of those abilities displayed straight out of that book!

I've never heard of Scion.

But everybody in the Pacific have heard of Maui. I grew up with his story. We read about him and heard his story at school.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ui_(mythology)

They call him a demigod because Maui was a "demigod". His jawbone aka as the "magic hook" was what was used to "fish up" New Zealand.

So no: Disney did not "steal" from a role-playing game made in 2007. They have told a new story using some characters from a mythology that most western audiences didn't even know exists.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

Unless the movie changed it, it's Māui, not Maoi. Just so you know

 

[Kolby Jack]

Maui's abilities and feats are fairly accurate to what he did in the mythology. They condensed it somewhat, like him using his fishhook to catch the sun, while in the mythology he only ever used the fishhook to raise the Hawaiian islands. He didn't need the fishhook to shapeshift either, but he needed a weakness for the plot so it's fine.

Also, Moana is not a waterbender, lol. The ocean is sentient and it helps her on her quest of its own volition. She doesn't control it. It was pretty obvious that was the case, too, so I don't know how you thought she had powers. She's a normal girl, which is kind of the point.

This thread is like seeing a Flash Gordon movie and thinking "wow! This reminds me of Star Wars!"