So, If everyone with HIV/Aids dies,there would be no more HIV/Aids.
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I like the OP just trailing off their thoughts and somehow thinking they're a moral pragmatist when they can't even spell eradicate.
Oh and good luck trying to kill 3 million americans.
I know in Australia it'd be less than 200,000
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Oh and good luck trying to kill 3 million americans.
I know in Australia it'd be less than 200,000
.That's because he's the vocal part of North America/wherever that the rest of the world facepalms at because they don't seem to understand basic geography, in that, the US is a small portion of the world.Jaime_Wolf said:
How would you be sure you had everybody?
Not to mention we already understand HIV better, we can treat it to a certain level and there are people immune to it. It will only take being able to spread the immunity and HIV is gone.
..HIV being a virus won't just go away by putting everybody in happy camps. It will go away with medicines and cell therapy!
Not to mention we already understand HIV better, we can treat it to a certain level and there are people immune to it. It will only take being able to spread the immunity and HIV is gone.
..HIV being a virus won't just go away by putting everybody in happy camps. It will go away with medicines and cell therapy!
Not immune, resistant and it's a mutation found in 10% of Europeans not 1%. The constant plagues that finally died out in the 1600's across most of Europe and in the 1800s in Russia and Eastern Europe is probably what selected for the mutation. As it appears it was only present in 1 out of 20,000 people before.LuckyClover95 said:
Anyway. I googled the shit out of this, and that's what I found.
Although there's likely to be truth in that, it's not necessarily a matter of being unable to see outside the borders of one's own nation (though that's not unlikely either).rapidoud said:
Plenty of people don't quite make the connection that not everyone else is in the same situation as them, even people in their own community they happen to know. This leads to, amongst other things, endless complaints about "traitors" not supporting politicians who are obviously the best to protect "their" interests and the like.
Well I don't think it is necesarily about stupidity, I think that is letting people off too easily. Saying they are too dumb to understand the implications of their actions. No, I think they understand perfectly and just don't care, because unfortunately for idealistic ideas like the OPs many members of the human race don't care about the overall health of our species. They care about themselves and perhaps few people around them. This means that any plan involving complete cooporation of nearly 7 billion individuals is so close to impossible that it's not really worth mentioning. Trust me, if it was as simple as lets all band together to get rid of AIDS I think we would have done it by now.
Sorry, what? You realise that most of the AIDS epidemic happens in Africa, where Catholics condemn condoms and urge everyone to avoid them. AIDS can be transferred by saliva - kissing, essentially - and you can carry the disease without ever realising that you have it. There's no practical way to eliminate AIDS short of finding a cure, so yes, of course we should keep trying.krazykidd said:
Man, I dunno. It's the Africans, man.
We should, like, bomb Africa. Because that's how the world works.
We should, like, bomb Africa. Because that's how the world works.
I enjoy the slippery slope argument as much as the next guy, but the difference between the flu and aids is that one comes from just taking a walk in the rain, or simply being alive, while the other has to be contracted from someone who has it. So it doesn't really fit. There are other differences too, but that is the one that is relevant in this case.SidingWithTheEnemy said:
Really if you want to solve HIV/AIDS in the shortest amount of time you gather up everyone who has it and kill them.
There's no being moral about it, you just do it and say the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Of course barring that and just waiting for people to die who have it is also wrong. even protective measures such as condoms dont completely assure it doesnt spread. You get into the argument of segregation.
So for now, we continue education and work towards a cure, because we as humans like to pretend we're humane and moral creatures.
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actually... I remember in eleventh grade someone said bleach killed AIDS. So a girl (who is actually very smart both GPA and common sense wise) said why not just put bleach in everyones blood.
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I like to think that she was just having an off day and it was early and she missed breakfast, otherwise knowing she's smarter than me would just be too much of a weight to live with.
There's no being moral about it, you just do it and say the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Of course barring that and just waiting for people to die who have it is also wrong. even protective measures such as condoms dont completely assure it doesnt spread. You get into the argument of segregation.
So for now, we continue education and work towards a cure, because we as humans like to pretend we're humane and moral creatures.
EDIT:
actually... I remember in eleventh grade someone said bleach killed AIDS. So a girl (who is actually very smart both GPA and common sense wise) said why not just put bleach in everyones blood.
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I like to think that she was just having an off day and it was early and she missed breakfast, otherwise knowing she's smarter than me would just be too much of a weight to live with.
Speaking as a man who set his hand on fire to high-five someone just 'cus, I don't think that logic is waterproof.krazykidd said:
People still have unwanted pregnancy, and people still shoot up on heroine and it's not exactly like that's unknown area in the Western world.
In fact, I hear that there is actually a shamanistic belief circulated in Africa that, if you have HIV and have sex with several virgins, their purity will cleanse you of the disease and save your life.orangeban said:
Of course, we all know that such has the exact opposite effect. Whether this is actually a held belief and how widely it is held is not something I am an expert on, but if there ARE people who believe this think about how hard it would be to convince them otherwise...
"Yes, I know that your supposed cure is relatively easy, pleasurable, and risk-free from your perspective, but cold hard science says there is no possible way it will work. What? No. Science has no cure... we can keep you alive for quite some time with medication and sterile environments, but considering the quality of your drinking water and your inability to leave, your life expectancy is about five months. But still, you know, science is better."
In this case, it isn't even people being jerks or careless or unlucky, like it is in more developed countries. It's people with no chance to live desperately grasping at straws, trying to save their lives. And who can blame them (providing all's consensual, of course)?
Containment on this really isn't an option, not anymore. Putting the first infected chap in a bubble would have done wonders, of course, but it's just way too large now, and until we solve some more pressing problems (like world hunger, and sanitary conditions in third world countries) mere education isn't going to do it. I think we'd better look for a cure, a vaccine, a solid (and economic) treatment plan or anything we can get our hands on for this, because trying to coordinate globaly something like, "Okay, all you people who are sick just stay to yourselves and die quietly so the rest of us don't have to take precautions," doesn't really work when we can't even band together to defeat the mass-murdering threat of our own digestive systems.
It's really hard to convince people to 'take one for the team' when you haven't given them a jersey.
You know, bombing Africa would probably be the best way to eradicate HIV.Woodsey said:
OT: All jokes aside I really don't think Option A is viable. There are too many developing nations with backwards education for the virus to be completely eradicated. Option C is our best bet.