Aylaine said:
Naheal said:
Aylaine said:
Naheal said:
Guys are dense. A note might be the subtlest idea that will actually work.
Not all of them.
As a guy, I can say that "dense" when it comes to relationships is pretty accurate. With some, that's being nice.
I'm not a guy, but I will give some advice regardless: I do not think a note is the best idea. I've always been one for going up and asking/saying it, that way it's done then and there, you can see the reaction on his face (versus letting him build and ponder you in his mind via some note) and likewise he can see your reactions too. To me, it's just the best way of going about these sorts of things. Honestly and upfront usually cancels out any shy middle mans too, which plague most people from asking others out from the get go.
Coffee works wonders, actually.
Edit: Hey! 5k posts!
Not everyone likes coffee though. ;P
Coffee shops sell more than just coffee

So long as it's socially intensive, that's what works best. Also, I'll stand by what I said earlier in the thread...
Naheal said:
...Coffee shops work really well for a high-social interaction between you and the person you're trying to talk to. If you two connect well, you'll find out then.
For first conversations, a good rule of thumb that I've found is that, if you run out of things to talk about in 15 minutes or if you lose interest in that first 15 minutes, it probably won't work out.
I still don't think it's grounds for making that statement though, personally. Saying guys are dense is grouping them all together, and it's simply not true. In reality, both genders can be dense to a degree. Social norms would have most people believe guys are dense though, but there is quite a bit more to it then that in my opinion.
If we were going with social tendencies, guys tend to be less socially aware than girls are in general. We don't start as early and we don't group up as often. Even then, when we group together, we're usually competing with each other for something or another. To a typical guy, it's second nature to size up a potential rival and see where you can outdo him.
While you'd think that the exception would be with nerds, that's really not the case. If anything, we're
worse in a typical social situation, as we generally haven't fit in to any real social group for the majority of our lives. Further, while we might be intelligent, chatting with a nerd might feel like you're talking with someone who's trying to be both short and get on with their life. The reality is that, while you're talking to said nerd, they're sizing you up. They're trying to get a feel for who you are and what you want. In the back of their mind, if they're interested in you, they might be wondering if you're interested in them, but they're not going to pick up on those signals that often. To make matters worse, if said nerd's ever been hurt in the past, not only are they going to catch on fairly quickly, it might be a
detriment to you if show signs of being interested.
If you're talking to a regular guy, just walking up and chatting with him might be a good idea, but, with someone who'd be considered a nerd, you're only going to make them feel uncomfortable at best.