So what do you think about cannabis?

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Dense_Electric said:
AndyFromMonday said:
All drugs should be legal. The government should have no say when it comes to what a person wants to do with their bodies.
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The government should only get involved if people start putting other people at direct risk, and then only by incarcerating those individual people, not all people who've ever done it.

Shit though, think about that. That would not only solve the US's drug-crime problem, that would also solve the illegal immigration problem. With the drug cartels out of power in Mexico, suddenly Mexico would be a much better country and people would stop trying to come here. Legalizing all drugs would really be killing two birds with one stone.
You're assuming that the drug cartels and whoever else will call it a day and go into some sort of legal industry/operation instead of turning to another crime. Possible, but I find it unlikely, especially considering that a large number of people turn to producing/selling drugs and crime in general because they are unable to support themselves any other way. Maybe they don't have an education and can't get a decent job, or are just used to the lifestyle selling drugs provides and aren't willing to give that up. Whatever the reason, I have a feeling that these people will find other means to keep their wealth and living standards, whether that just means selling more drugs, but no without worrying about the cops breathing down their neck.

Remember, a rose by any other name will smell just as sweet, and a drug cartel by any other name will still act like a dictator and fuck over his country and it's people. You legalise pot, or any drug that this guy sells, you make things much easier for him. He can move it across borders without much problems and grow much more of the stuff without too much trouble. If the government starts selling pot at a lower cost (which is pretty much impossible considering the difference in payment between Mexican and North American workers) then you're only going to encourage the cartel to move into something more serious, like cocaine. If the government is going to sell every drug at an impossible cheaper rate, then they'll find/create another drug to sell. There aren't enough people to make every drug, these cartels are going to find their niche. Drugs are still going to be sold on the streets, they're still going to be fought over, and there are still going to be problems. Only now the police can't do anything about it, because having a massive stash of coke in your garage is a legitimate industry.

You can't just make things legal and expect crime to go away. I mean, I guess it will, but if you make murder legal that doesn't mean people won't be murdered, they just wont be going to jail for it now. If you make it legal to produce and sell drugs, drugs will still be produced and sold. So you're either going to keep things exactly as they are or you're going to be making things much worse.

There are ways to make a large number of drugs (not all) legal without keeping things as they are or making them worse, but doing so will take a lot of time, and require some level of effort from the people using them. You're going to need to stop taking the drugs for starters, and that isn't going to happen.

Most of the people who want drugs legalised don't really give two shits about personal freedom, they really just want to stop worrying about getting caught with those drugs and going to jail. I personally hate the thought of all drugs being legal, because if the government wanted; the drugs could be advertised, sold in vending machines, handed out at schools... A government could produce a drug designed to keep the majority of people hooked, obedient and absolutely dependent while the minority get to rule over the rest. Unlikely and perhaps too grim, but it isn't impossible. Drug users seem too happy to bend over backwards for an easier fix, whether it's with extra taxes or going against their morals.

As for what I feel about weed? I don't plan on using it, but I don't mind if you buy it from a guy who grows it himself and just sells to friends, or if you grow it yourself. If you aren't hurting anyone or supporting others who hurt others than you're better than most. If you feel the need to get high to enjoy a party, or need it to relax, or just need it than you're pretty weak, but at least you aren't lining the pockets of murderers.

If you buy weed from the shady guy you're pretty sure sells child pornography and you've seen beating people up for money, you're shit. You're pathetic and you should feel bad. Have some fucking morals and don't turn a blind eye to people who are making the lives of many others worse just so you can get what you want.

Unfortunately the above paragraph refers to nearly all of us. Somewhere in the past of the stuff you own and use, someone was abused. Child labour is a big one.
 

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Treat it like alcohol. Dont go to work after using it, dont drive, dont do it on public streets, etc. In the privacy of your own home, who the fuck should care if you want to smoke pot.
 

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I miss read it as cannibals..


Anyway, if people smoke it, that fair enough, but legalizing it would be a bad idea, because it would easily be possed by children..
 

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I don't think legalizing it is a good idea - mainly for people who actually smoke it. Where I live anyway, right now it's barely policed, all you get is a slap on the wrist if caught with it, and it's not illegal to smoke it. It's relatively affordable because it's so popular and there is so much competition amongst dealers and there are a ton of local grow ops. People on 4/20 keep ranting on and on about freedom and legalization, but all legalizing it would do is jack up the price and cause the government to tax it. All the local grow ops would be shut down, and they would be paying a crap ton more. I think people should just be happy that it isn't policed harder and just let it be one of those things where the government and law just ignore it as a policy.
Two things:

1: Where do you live and how are the real estate prices?
and
2: How did you become so damn brilliant?
 

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Greyfox105 said:
captainfluoxetine said:
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Booze makes people act like bigger twats.
Your point? At least they are acting like "twats" in a pub, and away from me.
Plus, booze doesn't make them smell vulgar. Pot does.
Oh I dunno, I've smelt some pretty bad people after they've had a pint or two.
 

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The word cannabis reminds me of the word cannibal...

I don't really understand why people want it to be legalized in the states so much. It just sounds like another way for people to get high or wasted. Personally, I like to get my high from playing games and doing awesome sh!t, no drugs needed here.
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
All drugs should be legal. The government should have no say when it comes to what a person wants to do with their bodies.
I'm inclined to agree up until the point the drug makes someone a great threat to other people.

Weed's alright. Not a great drug but it's alright.

Please don't put me on probation for answering the question.
 

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I love how all the people saying they don't like it can only come up with frivolous reasons to back it up like "It smells bad" or "I've seen the effects". seriously, that ridiculous. How can you possibly think a smell should dictate the legality of a substance? Also if you've never tried a drug you don't understand it, and how can you judge something you don't understand?

Good reasons for legalisation are to create jobs and bring more money into the economy, prevent crime such as smuggling and selling on the streets (it's sketchy and the illegal network behind it is the biggest problem with weed), it's much less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, has medical benefits (helps people sleep, lowers blood pressure, can help with glaucoma or help people undergoing chemotherapy or people with certain eating disorders), if it's legal more viable research can be performed and the list goes on.
 

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captainfluoxetine said:
Booze makes people act like bigger twats.
Greyfox105 said:
Your point? At least they are acting like "twats" in a pub, and away from me.
Plus, booze doesn't make them smell vulgar. Pot does.
To quote the legend Bob Marley "Herb is the healing of a nation, alcohol is the destruction." Which fully agree with.
And drink does make you stink. Everybody knows that. I'm not saying Ganja doesn't smell, cos it does, but not much more than cigarettes and only slightly more than lots of drink.


I have many opinions on Cannabis, too much to fit in one comment, but I will simply say that I am for it, in every way, legalisation, use of, medical purposes etc. And there is many people with me in one or all aspects:
 

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Lets try and keep this an argument based on what you think should be legal rather than what you agree with the current laws. If that makes any sense.
Isn't one directly related to the other?

I believe pot should be legal, taxed and regulated, just like alcohol and tobacco. They're all dangerous and damaging drugs, but pot is no worse than these others, which are tolerated or accepted by society. There are certainly risks (we'd have potheads just like we have alcoholics today, and they're all a waste of life and a drain on society) but the benefits outweigh them.
 

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It's pretty good so long as you don't build up a big habit. I don't really get the whole 4/20 thing, we don't have it over here. It's probably better off for smokers to keep it illegal anyway.
 

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It makes no sense that Alcohol is legal when Cannabis isn't.

That being said, I have absolutely no interest in either.
 

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Fire Daemon said:
Or you could do what they do with cigarettes where only official vendors are allowed to sell it and everything else would be regarded as contraband. There could also be limits for how much drugs a vendor could carry and how much drugs a person is allowed to carry on themselves. It would basically be exactly like now except a part of the money would go to the budget. The police will still crack down on the illegal drug market except not as much money is going to be spent on supplying the "war on drugs" like before.

The USA regularly sponsors the spraying of large amounts of toxic herbicides such as Roundup ver the jungles of Central and South America as part of its drug eradication plan. This in turn leads to health problems for many farmers and their families, most of which have nothing to do with the drug trade. Due to these herbicides crops are dying and farmers are are starving. Hell, the fact that drug use is not considered a victimless crime pretty much means that if you're caught doing a bit of weed you could end up with a record and in turn lose your shot at getting a job which pretty much means death or a life of crime.

Your argument about drug induced government control borders on paranoia. I'm not going to address it
 

CrazyGirl17

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If it's used for medicinal purposes, I'm not bothered, but of course some people have to ruin it for everyone else...
 

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The problem is, our (the UK's) drug classification system is (like almost all countries) based on tradition and social acceptance rather than how dangerous they are.

The facts are, if ranked by potential 'harm' to the user, alcohol and tobacco would be ranked among the most dangerous of substances. This is backed up by sound scientific evidence.


(The picture is from Nutt et al 2007: 'Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse', published in the Lancet)

When viewed in that light the current system seems absurd. How is it fair to harshly penalise someone for using one substance deemed 'illegal', when they can easily get something 'harder' at their local supermarket? There aren't going to be attempts to criminalise the consumption of alcohol any time soon, and when they did just that in the US's recent history, look how well that turned out. This is rank hypocrisy.

For that main reason, I think certain drugs (such as cannabis and MDMA) should be legalised.
 

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My stance is that they should legalize it and regulate it the same way they do with alcohol. I really can't see a down side to legalizing marijuana, people who want to use it can now do so without fear of going to jail and putting further strain on the prison system. With it regulated they would be some quality control so there's less of a chance of being straight up poisoned by it (Hopefully at least). Lastly with all the weed that gets sold getting taxed there'd be some money going into the economy instead of into the pockets of criminals.
 

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At first I thought you were asking what I think about CANNIBLES

Man, I must really be stoned.
 

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Sikratua said:
elcamino41383 said:
As been said so many times on this subject: Legalize it and tax the ever living hell out of it. Also to quote Daniel Tosh, as I always do with this subject: "Legalize pot, so potheads never have anything to talk about anymore and move on to big boy drugs like heroine."

Note: I don't condone drug use. I think it's pretty damn stupid. I'm just really tired of hearing all the "legalize" it crap because potheads really don't shut up.
So, you think that people should start shooting up female superheroes? There's no "e" at the end of the word "Heroin."

But, on topic: Weed smells like a combination of unwashed gym socks and expired asparagus. I don't give a damn, one way or the other, what people do to their own bodies, provided that they don't inflict that choice on others. If someone wants to try to "shotgun" weed smoke into my face... Well, I've got a pretty good right cross for that.
And here I'm usually pretty good at spelling things properly, my bad. Ha, will go back and edit.

As far as the rest of your post, I completely agree
 

richd213

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AndyFromMonday said:
Your argument about drug induced government control borders on paranoia. I'm not going to address it
I'm assuming this isn't aimed at me?
 

Dags90

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zehydra said:
It makes no sense that Alcohol is legal when Cannabis isn't.

That being said, I have absolutely no interest in either.
How about in the two combined?

Honestly, I can't wait for pot to become legal just because I want to see what kinds of wacky products they make from it and what major retailers would jump on board. New from Doritos, pizza-pot chips. All of the baking you need with no oven required!