Sony: Backwards Compatibility Is Never Coming Back

[JaredXE]

Every other company is guilty of this as well. Yet nobody calls Microsoft on it for example. Proves how ignorant anti sony people are.

Probably because people liked Sony. They liked their products. They just dont want to be DICTATED to by a company whose business is to SELL US STUFF. WE are the consumers. WE should be dictating our needs or we WALK with OUR money. The CUSTOMER is always right. Business has forgotten that.

QFT. You know, I used to like Sony, but then I played Star Wars Galaxies. I don't trust Sony anymore.

And yes, you wouldn't believe how often Microsoft gets called out for some of the most minor things.

 

[Kilo24]

They say that about backwards compatibility and rumble which are in quite a high demand, but Blu-ray is enough of a "purchase intent driver" to put it in every system and hike up the production costs? Impressive. It definitely looks like they're losing touch with their fans.

 

[Disaster Button]

Lets be honest, they just want to lose money now

 

[WiccaVamp]

Nobody used BC anyway. All of you said the PS3 was crap when they HAD BC. It's your own fault they removed it. BLAME YOURSELVES. Just buy a PS2 and be happy.

I never complained about it, but BC was one of my deceiding factors for wanting one because i dont have a whole lot of room for so many freakin consoles...I may still buy one now but It'll be a love/hate relationship with that thing now.

 

[Lord_Jaroh]

It's just double-speak from a PR guy that doesn't actually know anything about PR.

"There is not PS3 Slim"
"There will be no price drop"
"There is no PSP redesign"
"We are not focusing on digital delivery. UMD is here to stay"

These are just a few of the PR lines that Sony has spouted over the past little while. Every one of these is a lie. I don't doubt it that this is also a lie.

 

[Axle_Bullitt_19]

What the Fuck! They are trying to piss me off. I almost regret saying I'm a sony fan now.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

And where is your poll? Who did you ask for your data? What cross-section of the populace did you hit? Who funds your survey?

Or was this a little internet poll on a single website that can't possibly represent every xbox user?

actually it was here on the escapist and while it can be a bit skewed, having so many actually report failures, can't just be overly bad polling and samples, if anything it should be lower but really it's higher than the other places it's been reported

And 48.2% of statistics are made up on the spot. I have to disagree with the death rate of the 360 in the last couple years. Yeah, the early ones were crap, Microsoft admitted that. But for the past couple years, my machine hasn't broken at all (Elite, extra fan, don't play it for 16 hours straight) and the place I work, which sells and performs repairs on the things hardly sees any pass through which aren't broken due to dumb user.

you know the thing about people saying 48.2% of stats is made up are making that up AND trying to easily discredit something they don't actually want to believe is true.

great that your's hasn't broken, you are one of the ones that it hasn't broken and there are launch console that are still running fine. if you know anything about stats and averages, that means you're in the percentage of people who haven't had a broken xbox, there are two sides of the coin

There WAS a design flaw. It was fixed.

yeah i've established that

No, they still take a loss per unit, why do you think Sony has been closing factories? PS2 emulation has been software, no real additional cost there, the reason why they have been losing LESS money per unit is because the hardware changes, gets cheaper, gets smaller.

actually i do believe the world wide recession brought on by the american bank system collapsing had something to do with companies cutting costs and closing plants more so than the amount that they lose selling the PS3 and they've also not being selling it at a loss for a while no, cutting BC was one of the first things they did to reduce costs

oh and The Carmack has said the PS3 isn't hard to code for...see the upcoming Rage. Lets see, he has said that the PS3 version will lag behind the 360 due to it's limitations in coding and that the PS4 is more likely to come out first.

actually you are wrong, The Carmack has only said the RENDERING was a bit slower, not the whole system itself, please get your facts straight

if you want to see what he said why not read the article

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.128228

you'll see that you are spewing nothing but lies, falsehoods and fanboy rhetoric

You know, I am getting the sneaking suspicion with all the m$ signs you throw around, you might not like Microsoft.....

yeah i tend not to like companies that release subpar products, conduct illegal activities, blame everyone else but them for their issues and bully everyone who speaks out about them

But...it...is...a....proven...fact....SONY HAS PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED THAT IT MADE IT HARDER TO CODE ON PURPOSE!

As for THE Carmack, again, he has stated that it's harder to get his game right on the PS3 compared to the 360.

any coder will say a new system is hard and also the fact is getting the full power of a system right off the bat isn't good because then things can't get better from what they are

also there has been only one real aspect of what The Carmack has said wasn't easy on the PS3 and you've changed your argument about what he's said

*Checks his xbox* Yup, same model I bought a couple months after release, no problems there. And the redesign was so the controller could fit in the tiny japanese hands and the hands of those who hadn't hit puberty yet. I personally prefered the bigger controller, since it fit my hands more, and the button config was better.

actually the big controllers were made for EVERYONE cause they were a running joke

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/03/25/

as for being a fanboy, yeah you're a fanboy and really have no idea what you're talking about and spout a ton of fanboy rhetoric that is full of half truths and lies

Thank you pot, you really told that kettle off.

and yet you do the exact same thing

 

[nicholaxxx]

but they ALSO annouced a firmware update allowing the use of PS2 games on the PS3... I'm confused now

 

[luckshot]

some say BC would be useless, but for those of us that never bought a ps2 BC would bring in money from the previous generation games, where as telling me i have to buy an old console to play some interesting games given to me by a friend or bought second hand is just frustrating

and yes i have never purchased a ps2

 

[skintrade]

i have a PS3... I have a PS2 that i still play games on (bought, played and never finished) when the mood takes... hell i still every now and again dig out my old Sinclair 48k and play some games from my youth. BC would be nice to have and yes it was annoying that the feature was dropped (especially after the PS2 could play PS1 games), still didn't stop me getting a PS3.

 

[CrafterMan]

Fuck its not like you can't play ps2 games on a ps2 or anything.

Who gives a shit really?

Just have both consoles.

-Joe

 

[FinalGamer]

I knew ever since the PS3 came out Sony were fucking dicks. Yes I hold a grudge and no it's not going away.

Yes, let us not have backwards compatibility to allow gamers to play one of the most substantially enormous gaming libraries ever when you clearly have the technology.
Admittedly most people have a PS2 nowadays but it seems just...well, missing a few parts is all and they carry it with the arrogance of a DIY dad going "oh we don't need those extra screws love, I know how it all works!"

 

[swytchblayd]

Funny, because I loved being able to make a new save card for every game I have. Saves time in not having to buy a memory card for all of them, or getting clusterfucked and having to save some on every card, only to forget which one's on which.

Thank god I got a used 40GB version (upgraded to 320 <3) or I'd probably wouldn't have bought one. I hardly ever buy consoles new anymore; just buy the games I want beforehand (mostly those that I think will bugger out of the market ASAP) then wait for the price to go down... its a ***** to wait, but worth it to save a few hundred in the end.

And yeah, I still own a PS2, but their memory cards have more space overall, I think (unless its sports, but I don't buy those often). PS1 cards have 16 blocks, and a lot of RPGs take up 2 or more >.<

P.S.: Switch boxes make life easier. Automatic ones doubly so.

 

[Bat Vader]

It seems to me that nobody here ever gave the ps3 a chance. They just want to complain. I'm willing to bet that even if Sony put in BC, nobody here would consider buying one. They're probably lying if they said they were considering, because it's cool to hate Sony like a bandwagoning sheep. Again, it's fine if you just don't like it and I'm not gonna try and defend a company that's flawed like the others. Just please tell the truth already. Admit you never planned to buy a ps3 and be honest.

I'm considering buying one. I most likely will get one after I get done paying for college.

 

[Bat Vader]

And where is your poll? Who did you ask for your data? What cross-section of the populace did you hit? Who funds your survey?

Or was this a little internet poll on a single website that can't possibly represent every xbox user?

actually it was here on the escapist and while it can be a bit skewed, having so many actually report failures, can't just be overly bad polling and samples, if anything it should be lower but really it's higher than the other places it's been reported

And 48.2% of statistics are made up on the spot. I have to disagree with the death rate of the 360 in the last couple years. Yeah, the early ones were crap, Microsoft admitted that. But for the past couple years, my machine hasn't broken at all (Elite, extra fan, don't play it for 16 hours straight) and the place I work, which sells and performs repairs on the things hardly sees any pass through which aren't broken due to dumb user.

you know the thing about people saying 48.2% of stats is made up are making that up AND trying to easily discredit something they don't actually want to believe is true.

great that your's hasn't broken, you are one of the ones that it hasn't broken and there are launch console that are still running fine. if you know anything about stats and averages, that means you're in the percentage of people who haven't had a broken xbox, there are two sides of the coin

There WAS a design flaw. It was fixed.

yeah i've established that

No, they still take a loss per unit, why do you think Sony has been closing factories? PS2 emulation has been software, no real additional cost there, the reason why they have been losing LESS money per unit is because the hardware changes, gets cheaper, gets smaller.

actually i do believe the world wide recession brought on by the american bank system collapsing had something to do with companies cutting costs and closing plants more so than the amount that they lose selling the PS3 and they've also not being selling it at a loss for a while no, cutting BC was one of the first things they did to reduce costs

oh and The Carmack has said the PS3 isn't hard to code for...see the upcoming Rage. Lets see, he has said that the PS3 version will lag behind the 360 due to it's limitations in coding and that the PS4 is more likely to come out first.

actually you are wrong, The Carmack has only said the RENDERING was a bit slower, not the whole system itself, please get your facts straight

if you want to see what he said why not read the article

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.128228

you'll see that you are spewing nothing but lies, falsehoods and fanboy rhetoric

You know, I am getting the sneaking suspicion with all the m$ signs you throw around, you might not like Microsoft.....

yeah i tend not to like companies that release subpar products, conduct illegal activities, blame everyone else but them for their issues and bully everyone who speaks out about them

But...it...is...a....proven...fact....SONY HAS PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED THAT IT MADE IT HARDER TO CODE ON PURPOSE!

As for THE Carmack, again, he has stated that it's harder to get his game right on the PS3 compared to the 360.

any coder will say a new system is hard and also the fact is getting the full power of a system right off the bat isn't good because then things can't get better from what they are

also there has been only one real aspect of what The Carmack has said wasn't easy on the PS3 and you've changed your argument about what he's said

*Checks his xbox* Yup, same model I bought a couple months after release, no problems there. And the redesign was so the controller could fit in the tiny japanese hands and the hands of those who hadn't hit puberty yet. I personally prefered the bigger controller, since it fit my hands more, and the button config was better.

actually the big controllers were made for EVERYONE cause they were a running joke

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/03/25/

as for being a fanboy, yeah you're a fanboy and really have no idea what you're talking about and spout a ton of fanboy rhetoric that is full of half truths and lies

Thank you pot, you really told that kettle off.

and yet you do the exact same thing

Fanboy flamewars. You gotta love them.

 

[JaredXE]

And where is your poll? Who did you ask for your data? What cross-section of the populace did you hit? Who funds your survey?

Or was this a little internet poll on a single website that can't possibly represent every xbox user?

actually it was here on the escapist and while it can be a bit skewed, having so many actually report failures, can't just be overly bad polling and samples, if anything it should be lower but really it's higher than the other places it's been reported

So it was on a single website that can't possibly have hit an accurate representation.

you know the thing about people saying 48.2% of stats is made up are making that up AND trying to easily discredit something they don't actually want to believe is true.

And so is saying 77% of 360s break.

No, they still take a loss per unit, why do you think Sony has been closing factories? PS2 emulation has been software, no real additional cost there, the reason why they have been losing LESS money per unit is because the hardware changes, gets cheaper, gets smaller.

actually i do believe the world wide recession brought on by the american bank system collapsing had something to do with companies cutting costs and closing plants more so than the amount that they lose selling the PS3 and they've also not being selling it at a loss for a while no, cutting BC was one of the first things they did to reduce costs

Or increase PS2 sales, one could cynically state. Though where do you get your figures that they weren't selling at a loss for awhile now? Everything is pointing to that they are, and we are just saying that software emulation of the PS2 couldn't possibly be an attributing factor to the price of the PS3.

oh and The Carmack has said the PS3 isn't hard to code for...see the upcoming Rage. Lets see, he has said that the PS3 version will lag behind the 360 due to it's limitations in coding and that the PS4 is more likely to come out first.

actually you are wrong, The Carmack has only said the RENDERING was a bit slower, not the whole system itself, please get your facts straight

if you want to see what he said why not read the article

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.128228

you'll see that you are spewing nothing but lies, falsehoods and fanboy rhetoric

Or I am spewing direct quotes from the man...

?We?re getting along with the PS3. We took a lot of time early on in the development cycle on learning it.?

?The 360 was easier to certainly to get to where we are now. More sweat equity had to be put into the PS3.?

"? even though we feel the 360 has superior hardware"

?The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it,? John Carmack told Edge. ?The rasteriser is just a little bit slower ? no two ways about that. The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that?s what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3,? he said.

But...it...is...a....proven...fact....SONY HAS PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED THAT IT MADE IT HARDER TO CODE ON PURPOSE!

As for THE Carmack, again, he has stated that it's harder to get his game right on the PS3 compared to the 360.

any coder will say a new system is hard and also the fact is getting the full power of a system right off the bat isn't good because then things can't get better from what they are

also there has been only one real aspect of what The Carmack has said wasn't easy on the PS3 and you've changed your argument about what he's said

Wait...no I haven't. I stated the same thing, that Carmack thinks it's harder for his game to be developed the way he wants on the PS3. Not that it CAN'T be done, just that it is harder to do so. And that was done purposely and quotably by Sony developers.

actually the small controllers were made for EVERYONE cause they were a running joke

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/03/25/

Uuhh, no. when the xbox was released worldwide, Microsoft had an understandably hard time breaking into the Japanese market. One of the ways they tried to please them was by resizing the notoriously larger controller so that it would fit in their hands better. Comfort might help the Japanese to lighten up on the American company. The controller really wasn't a problem in America for fully grown adults, but to accomidate children and others, they released the Controller S (for small).

as for being a fanboy, yeah you're a fanboy and really have no idea what you're talking about and spout a ton of fanboy rhetoric that is full of half truths and lies

Thank you pot, you really told that kettle off.

and yet you do the exact same thing

Again, no. I quote full truths(or at least as much as is released to the general public) and no lies.

EDIT: And if you had read my first post regarding the lack of any future BC in the PS3, you would have read that the only reason I got a 360 first and not a PS3 was the games. I am not a 360 fanboy. The only things I would buy a PS3 for are a handful of exclusive titles and only needing one machine to play my library of older games. Blu-Ray doesn't cut it, screw Home, and anything not exclusive is already going to be on the system I already own. If I can't consolidate and use my new machine to play my old games for no reason than to squeeze out some more bucks, why should I spend the few hundred dollars to buy the new machine?

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

I don't have a PS3 but, I have a PS2 so, I think I'm fine.

 

[bushwhacker2k]

It's not really a matter of the games being backwards compatible- all they are is the software. In order to run software, you need hardware that is compatible with the software.
In otherwords, they're refusing to make the PS3 backwards compatible, not the games- the PS2 games are fine. (Well, outside of the black death that is region coding.)

Sorry if this is obvious but I'm just not getting it... isn't backwards compatibility REFERRING to games? If not, what is it referring to?

I think the word you were looking for is oblivious not obvious. Pretty sure I just said this, but compatibility is an issue of hardware, not software. When you run a game on your computer, you don't modify the game to make it work- you have to make sure your computer is able to run the game. Same thing with console games, the console (hardware) has to be made capable in order to play the games (software).

I think you misread one of my comments somewhere along the line. My PS3 IS backwards compatible. Here I was confused because I thought I misunderstood backwards compatibility at some point when you were just confusing me.

Anyways, are they complete morons? There are like THREE good PS3 only games, not making it backwards compatible and it costing the most of the 3 consoles seems kinda like you are trying to get people to buy Wiis and 360s... There's blu-ray but... I don't see people trashing all their DVDs to make way for the Blu-ray CDs, so I can't imagine that'll get many people to buy it unless it's just a deal-breaker...

The 360's biggest problem is the tendency to die, which if the links below where I'm typing are to be believed is at 54.2%. But the 360 also has the biggest and best line-up of games. The Wii is popular... I guess it's just popular to casual gamers or something, I don't know of any really good Wii games.

In conclusion, getting rid of backwards compatibility is a lazy move, they think that because PS2 and PS1 games aren't being mass produced anymore(to my knowledge) that it's meaningless to let people play them. I know PS2s aren't exactly hard to find but it's a bad move and lowers my opinion of them.

 

[THEMANWHOIS]

I still have more PS2 games than PS3, so I'm glad I've still got my 60 GB PS3.