Sony: Backwards Compatibility Is Never Coming Back
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None of this means that Sony is obligated to offer this feature especially if they found that the cost was keeping them from selling PS3's all the while Playstation 2's are still selling. How the fuck is that screwing anyone? They are still supporting the console that PS2 games are MADE for. I cannot say the same for Microsoft who killed the original Xbox a bit early IMO and replaced it with a unit liable to just blow up in your face if you try to use it. The fact of the matter is that Linux support/BC are features that have little to do with actually playing PS3 games which is what the PS3 is actually for. It's awesome to have that functionality but to claim that the company is screwing you because they took that functionality out so that they could make the PS3 a more affordable device (In the case of BC at least. I'm at a loss for the cutting of Linux support, even if it did suck.) does not make sense. I kept my PS2 because the thing still works, I do not use it so if my 60gb breaks I will have my PS2 to play PS2 games on. I would have done the same if I had, had an Xbox instead. (Though I will SEARCH for at least the 80gb with partial BC before I get the slim.)
All excuses I've heard before. Just buy a 360 and stop complaining. Sony isn't here to baby their customers. And I don't know how you can even trust MS. EVERYTHING THEY EVER SOLD ME WAS GARBAGE. First time buying a 360? RROD! Years of using Windows? BSOD on twenty occasions, resulting in me losing my entire computer. You can like them if you want, but don't EVER try to say they're trustworthy without the highest justification. Whatever Sony has done, MS has done worse, and I would rather stop gaming then buy their crap. I have a ps3, a ps2 and an AC adaptor. I make it work with little effort. If you can't do that, just buy a 360. NO EXCUSES. Sometimes you fanboys sicken me. Then again , I'm talking to someone who will buy 11 360s and claim they never break down, so I'm not surprised.HyenaThePirate said:
Talk about excuses?Pendragon9 said:
MS at least errs on the side of trying to usually do too much. They also have shown a good track record of listening to their customers and attempting to rectify situations. Sure, it sucks getting RROD and having to send it in, but hey, I give them points for trying.
Instead, Sony decides intentionally to remove functionality that already worked perfectly fine just for the expressed purpose of being jerks.
FYI, I already own an Xbox and a PS3. So don't lump me into that "You're just making excuses" Microsoft fanboy crowd. I've fought the bitter flame-war battles in defense of Sony, but you know, after a while, you just get tired of fighting for someone who seems more determined to stick a knife in YOUR back at every opportunity they can just for the hell of it.
Yeah the Xbox red rings. It also gets fixed. And beyond that, it does everything I could ask for with the exception of a few titles that didnt make their BC list.
So i'm entitled to be a bit disgruntled. Far as I see it, I've earned the right.
Hmph. When they offer to fix ANYTHING that's broken on me for free, then I might reconsider. Meanwhile, whenever MS stabs me in the back and expects me to practically buy a new computer,, i just happen to have a solution thanks to Sony. That's how i'm online right now. I for one have never been stabbed by them. then again, i have the supernatural ability to connect 2 consoles to my tv, so i don't see the problem. And lets face it. you LOVE complaining about sony. Even if they put BC back, you'd still complain. Don't try and lie. I see right through it. Everyone here loves to hate Sony. Remember when people promised to buy a ps3 after the price cut, even without BC? Yeah, bunch of bold fsced liars there. So until many of you stop lying about, i really won't know who to trust.HyenaThePirate said:
Yes, because you are magic.Pendragon9 said:
You know everything and only you are entitled to an opinion and only you can be right.
But it doesn't matter. When MS fucks up, I'll acknowledge it. When Sony fucks up, I acknowledge that too. Why? Because I can. Because I want to. And because it's my God given right.
I thank you though. Because people like you make that decision to go strictly Xbox THAT much easier, if only to take one more customer (myself) away from Sony, which ultimately puts one more hole in the hull of the Sony ship so that you and all the fanatical Sony fanboys can add meaning to your lives clinging desperately to a sinking ship whose captain is more than glad to run straight into treacherous waters just to piss off it's customers.
The irony, is I'll continue to play games and be happy.
Cheers
You know, i'm just gonna report you and move on. Not only did you completely ignore my post, but you've done nothing more than flame me and every other Sony fan because you think you're right no matter what happens. I've seen many of your posts, so i wouldn't be surprised if you love making tnings up to anger fans. Just remember that pride comes before a fall ,especially when you blind yourself to the error that surround you. You've acknowledged nothing bad MS has done and have given me a good reason to keep my ps3. It brings a warmth knowing MS is not getting my money. Since they don't use it to fix their hardware anyway. I'll be enjoying my time gaming in the meantime. Cheers.HyenaThePirate said:
And I have to say here too... LOL the fanboy got all mad "I IS GOING 2 REEPORT JOO B-CUZ U STLL DONT UHGREE WIT MEH!"Pendragon9 said:You know, i'm just gonna report you and move on. Not only did you completely ignore my post, but you've done nothing more than flame me and every other Sony fan because you think you're right no matter what happens. I've seen many of your posts, so i wouldn't be surprised if you love making tnings up to anger fans. Just remember that pride comes before a fall ,especially when you blind yourself to the error that surround you. You've acknowledged nothing bad MS has done and have given me a good reason to keep my ps3. Cheers.HyenaThePirate said:
And he acknowledged nothing bad?
"MS at least errs on the side of trying to usually do too much. They also have shown a good track record of listening to their customers and attempting to rectify situations. Sure, it sucks getting RROD and having to send it in, but hey, I give them points for trying.
Instead, Sony decides intentionally to remove functionality that already worked perfectly fine just for the expressed purpose of being jerks. "
Hmm.. I see him owning up to the red ring of death here... WAIT! THATS WHY I CAN SEE IT STILL! *puts on his Sony Fanboy goggles* OMG! IT DISAPPEARED! THE ADMITTANCE F***ING DISAPPEARED! *Claps* BRAVO! Amazing trick! Do it again!
Honestly, you had some okay arguments, but your main argument is based on YOUR bad experiences instead of actual majority fact.. Like, for example, Xbox 360 listened to it's fans wants and began adding in backwards compatability for many of it's games, whereas sony started with this, but quickly took it out because... because... wait why did they take it out? It can't be to force us to buy a PS2 or PS1, because most stores don't carry those, and even if one does, theres a used electronics or game store near you willing to sell a quality used one at 70% of the new ones price... hmm...
You know they do not sell PSone's any more. Or most of the consoles that these old games used to run on.
Look, you're still not changing my mind. Besides, I'm trusting Onmi on this one. They must've taken it out tpo replace it with cheap firmware. But of course a fanboy such as your self will complain even if they release the BC firmware. i can admit sony has done stupid crap in the past. But when they attempt to listen to the customers (AKA the price) you all complain more. In fact, if backwards compatibility comes back , I'm willing to bet money people would still complain. That is a fact. By the way , i only reported him because he wanted to start a flame war and i denied. Everyone knows that only an idiot or someone attempting to start an argument would say "the ps3 is failing''. Is it behind? Yes. But only when they stop making them will it be a failure. And even then, it's never a sure bet .That's what I have to say about it."WhiteTiger225 " said:
while you are reporting me, be sure to include the fact that you:Pendragon9 said:You know, i'm just gonna report you and move on. Not only did you completely ignore my post, but you've done nothing more than flame me and every other Sony fan because you think you're right no matter what happens. I've seen many of your posts, so i wouldn't be surprised if you love making tnings up to anger fans. Just remember that pride comes before a fall ,especially when you blind yourself to the error that surround you. You've acknowledged nothing bad MS has done and have given me a good reason to keep my ps3. It brings a warmth knowing MS is not getting my money. Since they don't use it to fix their hardware anyway. I'll be enjoying my time gaming in the meantime. Cheers.HyenaThePirate said:
a.) fail at reading comprehension
and
b.) have no problem drawing broad sweeping generalizations in failed efforts to discredit opponents that stand up to you.
I have not attacked you, I have only defended my opinion. You, on the other hand, have done nothing but attempt to libel and label me the entire time as a microsoft fanboy, even though I have stated over and over again that I own both systems and enjoy Playstation 2 games. I have also acknowledged repeatedly that Microsoft has a shameful issue with the Red Ring of Death.
But you seem dissatisfied unless someone completely renounces Microsoft and hates them as much as you do, which is kind of sad man. I love video games. Some might even say that I have an unhealthy obsession with them.
To me it doesn't matter if I'm playing a game on a PS3 or an Xbox 360, except when the company tries to screw me.
By now, if someone doesn't know about the potential for the RROD problem on a 360 before they buy one, Buyer Beware, then they have no one to blame for their disappointment but themselves. But the same can be said of any product with potential issues. And yet, Microsoft, knowing there is a potential issue, went to great lengths spending countless MILLIONS of dollars to satisfy their customers.
What has Sony done?? Instead they REMOVE features that were selling points to large portions of their potential market, knowingly acknowledged they were going to do so, and then spent millions of dollars trying to convince people to purchase what has become an intentionally LESSER product. Sony is taking MILLIONS of dollars in losses because of their own foolish actions, their arrogant business tactics, poor management decisions, ridiculously stupid statements, and quite frankly in part due to a rabid, elitist fan-base that chooses to attack dissenters rather than use reason, logic, and tact to defend their opinions and encourage others to buy their console.
I might get suspended for this, but if I am, I'm going to have my say first. and what I say, is that people like YOU are the reason why people are choosing Microsoft over Sony. At least the Xbox community seems to have some semblance of solidarity, openly acknowledge the issues with their favorite console, and still are willing to press on, where as Sony fans tend to think the system is flawless, anyone who deviates from the company line is an enemy, and generally anyone who doesn't agree with them is "stupid".
So enjoy playing your games, because I certainly know that I will on my Xbox or playing PS2 GAMES on my PS3 instead of PS3 games, which many new Playstation customers WON'T be doing.
But you see, it doesn't hurt me any. If my Xbox breaks, Microsoft will gladly fix it. If I have to pay to have it repaired, I can trust it will cost me the same as buying another PS2, except I won't need to pay that money to play a last gen console when I can get the best of both worlds on my Xbox. My PS3 will be used to play PS2 and the occasional PS3 game until such a time I no longer feel any need to own it or it breaks, at which point I will be "playing" my games solely on my xbox and PC, which doesnt hurt anybody but Sony's profit.
Congrats my friend, you just cost Sony hundreds, potentially thousands of dollars they would have gotten from a serious, avid gamer such as myself over the years to come. I'm sure they would appreciate your efforts.
That, by definition, would be "failing". Which it is. It's not "inciting a flame war" if it's the TRUTH.
Not that I'm surprised you'd report me. The hallmark of one who has lost an argument is to fall back on silencing the opposition.
Freedom of speech bro. You can silence the MESSENGER, but you can't silence the MESSAGE..
Because, Mr. Creedy... "Ideas" are BULLETPROOF.
I truly wish you would read some of my posts before telling me I have bad comprehension. I have time and time again said that i know Sony makes mistakes, and i know very clear they are not flawless. But i will be honest with you. The Ps3 and all my ps models have yet to fail me, and everywhere i look, they do their best to alleviate their idiocy. PSPgo too pricey? Get Gran Trismo free with it. People want BC and lower prices? Make firmware that replaces expensive emulation methods. Time will tell if the latter is true. Now, I will call Microsoft on their crap when they price gouge and make horrible hardware. And I will call Sony on their utterly retarded media conferences, and questionable plans that appear to stab customers, as well as their rather pricey misdeeds. However, I will not call you anything. I realize that you just have a different opinion and taste in gaming. I'm sorry if i offended you, but i will respect your choices. I wish you'd respect mine. EDIT: 1000HyenaThePirate said:
My friend, I never DIS-respected your opinions. In fact, I openly acknowledge that many of your opinions have merit!Pendragon9 said:
Microsoft SHOULD be ashamed that their product has such ridiculously high levels of failure and that to my knowledge this issue has YET to be resolved. I simply give them a few points for making an effort to at least fix the problem when it arises. They very well could have (and I suspect that if it was Sony they WOULD have) told their customers tough luck, denied that the problem existed (Sony Rootkits anyone?) and simply let it go at that. But for all it's failure in the hardware department, Microsoft did go the extra mile to at least try to make amends on a case by case basis, either fixing or outright replacing effected systems. Hell not too many companies in ANY line of business would go to that length for their products. Do you own an Iphone or an Ipod? Good luck getting anything like maintenance done with Apple for anything less than a KIDNEY.
I also created a thread not too long ago about my dissatisfaction to a degree about Microsoft's Backwards Compatibility. Yes their console HAS it, but it's done much through emulation and while the list of games was steadily growing that were able to be played on the 360, at some point, they just up and stopped updating it altogether. This pisses me off to no end. As you can probably tell, I'm a big fan of Backwards COmpatibility, mostly because when a NEW system comes out, I sell my old one and buy the new one to save space. i like my living areas to be organized and orderly and having a dozen systems strewn about throws off my sense of order. For the same reason, I don't have every Nintendo I've ever owned hooked up to my tv. However, while I think microsoft's decision to DISCONTINUE BC for the Xbox was a slap to the face, it wasn't a deal breaker because they didn't go BACk and remove BC ALTOGETHER. They just simply satisfied themselves that at least most of their AAA titles were properly ported over and left it at that and in truth, it's only a few obscure titles that didn't make the final cut.
But even in that, there was an example that Microsoft LISTENS to their customers. Back when they were still updating BC for their console, MANY forums and MANY Fans were BEGGING for Psychonauts to be made backwards compatible (the best version being on the xbox hands down). Microsoft heard and delivered right at the 11th hour. Thats service, no matter how you cut it.
Anyway, I believe that both systems and both Companies have enough faults that realistically if a third company such as Apple or Sega or Google decided to create a console to throw in the mix that the opportunity would be supreme for an unexpected takeover of the industry. Why? Because there are enough dissatisfied people on both sides of the fence, people who are fed up with Microsoft AND/OR Sony that those potential customers who have until now only found refuge in the Wii would jump on board in a heartbeat. I'm a Dyed in the wool consumer and I believe in the law of the marketplace.. If you do not satisfy your customers, someone, somewhere ELSE WILL.
I wish I had the capital and the knowledge to start up my own company and design my own, new Console and get it out there, because quite frankly, I believe that a Gaming console really needs to be run by a DEDICATED gaming COMPANY, one who understands that the purpose of gaming entertainment is not a 'testing ground' for beta elements of your latest software for operating systems, nor is it the place to push your new proprietary mediums attached to a half-assed effort. It's about GAMING first, something Nintendo understands with their little gaming giant. Unfortunately, Nintendo skimped on things that DO matter in gaming, namely POWER and GRAPHICS and decent third party developers to make decent games. Had Nintendo at least got TWO of those three (at least the Power and the Developers) they would have buried any and all competition beyond recovery.
But alas, I am ranting again.
In the end, I suppose you and I are on the same side in our beliefs. Only, I look across the battlefield at Microsoft and say "sigh, why are we fighting them? They arent truly evil" while you say "Death to them whose console threatens us all", and the entire time, our Master Sony is planning on firing artillery on our position in order to defeat the enemy, considering us as acceptable "expendable" losses.
LOL, Good day to you Pendragon. Until the next time we cross swords.
Personally, I just do not see the last part happening. I could imagine them firing and accidentally hitting us, then helping some fans and screweing others over. I know many cases where people have gotten ps3's fixed for free, while some had upwards of three break on them(YLOD) and Sony not helping. I see your point there. HOWEVER, I read the rest of your post and I feel like taking back the troll accusation, since it was a fair collection of unbiased views on the market in general. My quarrel, though with some of these threads is how people claim the ps3 is the only failed console, due to sales. I honestly don't remember the Gamecube getting this hate. It sold mediocre compared to the others. Yet it's loved despite the smalll library. That's why I don't get alot of the Sony hate.The ps3 is the gamecube of this generation. It's by no means a failure, it's just sold less. That's why I'm hoping people give it a chance at least. It won't devour your souls. Promise. Good day.HyenaThePirate said:
Let's be fair. Both have been practicing their evil cackles. Can we agree to that? Besides, they're corporations. Not much good between them.HG131 said:
LOL... I think the reason you didnt see this with the gamecube is because it was cheaper than dirt and had, what? Two games worth owning? Ok maybe a few more...
But the thing about the gamecube I remember well is how inexpensive it was and how incredibly resilient. I mean, it seemed like if nuclear war broke out, cockroaches would have something to play.
Sony does get an inordinate amount of hate for all the wrong reasons. Not all of those reasons have been legitimate however.
A while back I was practically the only fool on the site defending Sony for the price of the damn thing... I don't really understand the "It's TOOOOOO expensive" argument, because if everyone who ever made that claim since before the system launched had set aside just $20 a month, they'd have been able to afford one by now. even at $500 you could just save a $100 a month if you REAAALLY wanted it.
Thing is, most people are instant gratification types... gotta have what they WANT WHEN they want it and they want it NOW. No saving, no working extra hours for it. Then I saw the price drop... and it dropped more... and I looked at my PS3 i got at $700 and wondered "Ok, so um.. I got screwed for buying out the gate, but surely they would buy it now. Then the price dropped some more. When it hit $399 I was SURE it would be selling like snowcones in hell.
and yet, people complained. Now it was that it had NO GAMES. Which I will grant there is a dirth of games, lets be honest, everything but maybe a handful of PS3 games are crap or are so aimed at ONE specific group of gamers that it's lost on anyone else. MGS4 only has appeal to a certain segment of gamers. Killzone 2 as well. But not everyone is into stealthy weird japanese storyline action, nor non-stop shoot em up FPS. My biggest gripe is the lack of RPG's (specifically turn-based). But it's getting better. There ARE good games, just sadly not as many as it's competitor microsoft.
But was that enough to bring people over? No sadly. Because even when the decent games started rolling out, people found a new gripe. PSN. Now I'm not going to lie... PSN is NOTHING like LIVE!. In fact it's only advantage is that it's FREE. But it sure isnt as fun or intuitive. In fact if it wasn't free I would declare it a waste of time without hesitation. Personally I don't use it that much anyway. But it's not exactly a failure. It DOES function.. sort of.
And then people began crying about BC. Which, I agree honestly is something worth complaining over. It's not as if it was impossible... we know BC was possible.. because it was ALREADY there... but then for reasons known only to Sony, they took it away. For someone with a 10-15 year model (if they are to be believed) such a drastic move in order to assumably lower the price they seem a little too quick to start cannibalizing the system's features and rolling out "slim versions" than someone who has a sound 10 year plan. It's almost a move of desperation I fear, that somewhere, somehow their investors are demanding a show of profit much sooner than anticipated.
But does this make the system a bad sell? Hell no. And honestly, I think eventually EVERYONE will own a PS3. Sooner or later they will be in the position or the price will be so low that they will quietly just acquire them, just like with the PS2. The problem is "When?" Sony would prefer that to be sooner rather than later and I suspect sony's 10 year plan is B.S. and they have abandoned it. They know that by that time their competitors will have the jump on them with a newer, hotter technology, developers getting the jump on learning to program for that newer system, which will further hurt them the next cycle.
Eventually people will run out of excuses and will have to simply buy a PS3 or they will just accept their absolute hatred of the system without any pretenses. Sooner or later nitpicking your dislikes about the console will grow old as they have to find smaller and more insignificant reasons for not buying one. The excuses will get old.
But the thing about the gamecube I remember well is how inexpensive it was and how incredibly resilient. I mean, it seemed like if nuclear war broke out, cockroaches would have something to play.
Sony does get an inordinate amount of hate for all the wrong reasons. Not all of those reasons have been legitimate however.
A while back I was practically the only fool on the site defending Sony for the price of the damn thing... I don't really understand the "It's TOOOOOO expensive" argument, because if everyone who ever made that claim since before the system launched had set aside just $20 a month, they'd have been able to afford one by now. even at $500 you could just save a $100 a month if you REAAALLY wanted it.
Thing is, most people are instant gratification types... gotta have what they WANT WHEN they want it and they want it NOW. No saving, no working extra hours for it. Then I saw the price drop... and it dropped more... and I looked at my PS3 i got at $700 and wondered "Ok, so um.. I got screwed for buying out the gate, but surely they would buy it now. Then the price dropped some more. When it hit $399 I was SURE it would be selling like snowcones in hell.
and yet, people complained. Now it was that it had NO GAMES. Which I will grant there is a dirth of games, lets be honest, everything but maybe a handful of PS3 games are crap or are so aimed at ONE specific group of gamers that it's lost on anyone else. MGS4 only has appeal to a certain segment of gamers. Killzone 2 as well. But not everyone is into stealthy weird japanese storyline action, nor non-stop shoot em up FPS. My biggest gripe is the lack of RPG's (specifically turn-based). But it's getting better. There ARE good games, just sadly not as many as it's competitor microsoft.
But was that enough to bring people over? No sadly. Because even when the decent games started rolling out, people found a new gripe. PSN. Now I'm not going to lie... PSN is NOTHING like LIVE!. In fact it's only advantage is that it's FREE. But it sure isnt as fun or intuitive. In fact if it wasn't free I would declare it a waste of time without hesitation. Personally I don't use it that much anyway. But it's not exactly a failure. It DOES function.. sort of.
And then people began crying about BC. Which, I agree honestly is something worth complaining over. It's not as if it was impossible... we know BC was possible.. because it was ALREADY there... but then for reasons known only to Sony, they took it away. For someone with a 10-15 year model (if they are to be believed) such a drastic move in order to assumably lower the price they seem a little too quick to start cannibalizing the system's features and rolling out "slim versions" than someone who has a sound 10 year plan. It's almost a move of desperation I fear, that somewhere, somehow their investors are demanding a show of profit much sooner than anticipated.
But does this make the system a bad sell? Hell no. And honestly, I think eventually EVERYONE will own a PS3. Sooner or later they will be in the position or the price will be so low that they will quietly just acquire them, just like with the PS2. The problem is "When?" Sony would prefer that to be sooner rather than later and I suspect sony's 10 year plan is B.S. and they have abandoned it. They know that by that time their competitors will have the jump on them with a newer, hotter technology, developers getting the jump on learning to program for that newer system, which will further hurt them the next cycle.
Eventually people will run out of excuses and will have to simply buy a PS3 or they will just accept their absolute hatred of the system without any pretenses. Sooner or later nitpicking your dislikes about the console will grow old as they have to find smaller and more insignificant reasons for not buying one. The excuses will get old.