Sony: Backwards Compatibility Is Never Coming Back

[Aitruis]

I read something a while ago that said statistically most of the people that owned PS3's still owned their PS2's. But yeah, I think right now it wouldn't be a smart business move for Sony to discontinue the ps2 and go with the bcPS3. Now, a year or two after they stop making ps2's, that will be an entirely different situation.

Not saying I like it, but it's a probable explanation.

And Pendragon9, us adults are trying to have a reasonable dicussion here. Stop trying to start a flamewar.

 

[Harlemura]

I never saw the big deal with backwards compatability, but that's probably because all my consoles sit nice and tidy under the same TV.
Besides, if you want to play PS2 games that badly, aren't pre-owned consoles around £10 now?

 

[Akai Shizuku]

Yet another reason to ignore the new consoles and just get a PS2.

 

[bodyklok]

It looks like I'll be sitting out until the next Sony console arrives.

I doubt that will play PS2 games either.

Oh no, it'll have backwards compatibility, but only when the console comes out initially. That seems to be the way Sony operates with BC: I've opened up to their game.

I don't know, the PS2 can still play PS1 games to this day. I think.

When the PS4 comes out, I'll grab one ASAP, and laugh when BC is inevitably cut later on.

I'd like to say that I'm not feeling a bit like this right now, and if I still played on my PS2 games I probably would. But I just can't see why people would make a big deal out of this? If you really want to play PS2 games, then you should really have a PS2 knocking about somewhere (Mines in France, don't ask; long story) and if you don't, well, there are 28 used slim line PS2 for sale on Amazon right now for £44 each [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-Slimline-Console-Black/dp/B00023HUMG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1250811605&sr=8-1].
Admittedly, that's in the UK, so little use to you. But I bet you can find a good deal somewhere! Normal PS2 are cheap as chips these days.

I must have gotten the one PS2 that decides to not play PS games then, because whenever I tried it it resulted in massive failure. I knew that the older versions had BC: I just presumed that it had been removed. I'll have to double-check my manual to figure it out.

And the reason I want the console to have BC is quite simple: while I do have a PS2 at the moment, I have two brothers, both of whom currently share it. The console isn't mine per se: I just have plenty of games for it, and when I leave for college, the PS2 has to stay here.

I don't feel like getting two consoles when I could have one, for several reasons.

Also, to those who keep going on about how Microsoft's stance on BC has been lackluster: at least they still have the ABILITY to add/improve the quality of BC on their console.

Well, to me you see, that just sound, and I'm not trying to be offensive here, a bit lazy and cheap.

Now, don't get me wrong here, what Sony has done is deplorable and I'm really not trying to defend them, their decision to not put in the effort to create an emulator for PS2/PS1 games is also lazy, and kinda cheap as well. But even so, I still think everyone who's saying that they can't possibly buy a new PS2 (£44!) is being incredibly tight (cash wise), which I can understand if you can't afford to buy a PS2.

If that's not the case though, then all I have to say is this:

Spoiler

Spoiler: No offence is intended

BOO FUCKING WHO!
Nobody likes spending money!

 

[Fraught]

On the surface, it appears to be a misstep for Sony until you look at the ongoing sales figures for the PS2. It is still quite alive, folks.

You bring BC back to the PS3 and who would have reasons beyond price to buy a PS2 anymore?

Pure economic decision. Self-preservation, really.

Then more people would buy the PS3?

Also, unless they have a time machine and tried it and came back in time, they won't know how big of a seller it is, just because of its first year in sales. The reason was the high price and almost no games of its own. It wasn't a deal breaker for me, but I would love BC on my PS3. Also, I'd buy PS2 games if I'd have it, so that'd be more money for Sony. Clearly a dumb move, because I think there are a lot others.

 

[Pendragon9]

I read something a while ago that said statistically most of the people that owned PS3's still owned their PS2's. But yeah, I think right now it wouldn't be a smart business move for Sony to discontinue the ps2 and go with the bcPS3. Now, a year or two after they stop making ps2's, that will be an entirely different situation.

Not saying I like it, but it's a probable explanation.

And Pendragon9, us adults are trying to have a reasonable dicussion here. Stop trying to start a flamewar.

Here's some advice for you. When avoiding a flame war, DON"T call people out. I was stating an honest opinion. Please don't start insults. But since iget insulted for stating my opinion , that must mean i'm the bad one here. So good day, and have a good time hating for no reason. I'm stepping away from this hotbed.

 

[Tarakos]

Is it me, or does Sony seem completely incapable of pleasing the consumer base? I mean, they announce the Slim for only $300, and then say, "Oh, by the way, backwards compatibility can go to hell." Christ Sony, get it together!

 

[Heart of Darkness]

Is it me, or does Sony seem completely incapable of pleasing the consumer base? I mean, they announce the Slim for only $300, and then say, "Oh, by the way, backwards compatibility can go to hell." Christ Sony, get it together!

Le Chatelier's principle. The equilibrium must be maintained.

 

[Jumplion]

I think you should all shut up and quite your jibber-jabber about "Downloadable PS2 titles!" and "No BC no sale!" and "Screw you Sony!" and "Jabba-wocky Jabba-wocky skiddly doo~!" and whatnot and listen to this man;

That's what they said about rumble.

I'm surprised none of you have really seen the pattern, Sony has denied price cuts, the PS3 Slim, more price cuts, firmware update stuff, rumble coming back, and even more price cuts since the beginning of freakin' time.

I will laugh if and/or when Sony releases a firmware update that allows Backwards Compatibility.

 

[The Kangaroo]

I have a PS3 so don't flame me but I wouldn't call it a substantial lineup of games it has very few good exclusives

 

[The Kangaroo]

Is it just me or does the PS3 fail every step of the way?

It's like they're seeing how much they can fuck with us before we just say enough

 

[sms_117b]

I have a original model, I don't use the backwards compatibility, ever. Like with the PS2, I play current gen games on current gen consoles. This doesn't seem like a big problem to me. I mean, if you have a PS3 you've probably got a PS2, upgrading will result in losing all those save games, so starting over, never really that fun when you like going back to old gems.

I've only ever nostalgiaed everywhere over one old game, which I have on the PC and it's fun, (Transport Tycoon Deluxe *drools*), but I still only play that rarely.

 

[scotth266]

Well, to me you see, that just sound, and I'm not trying to be offensive here, a bit lazy and cheap.

Now, don't get me wrong here, what Sony has done is deplorable and I'm really not trying to defend them, their decision to not put in the effort to create an emulator for PS2/PS1 games is also lazy, and kinda cheap as well. But even so, I still think everyone who's saying that they can't possibly buy a new PS2 (£44!) is being incredibly tight (cash wise), which I can understand if you can't afford to buy a PS2.

If that's not the case though, then all I have to say is this:

Spoiler

Spoiler: No offence is intended

BOO FUCKING WHO!
Nobody likes spending money!

A bit lazy? A bit cheap?

You're talking to the person who told people to quit bitching about how multi-disk is inconvenient [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.132325#2950129] and told people to quit whining about the higher prices on PC games. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.132205?page=2#2944859]

Like I've said several times before, I don't mind the price of the PS3: I'd buy it right now, IF IT HAD BC.

I'm curious as to how much the BC would cost to be put back in, anyway.

 

[scotth266]

Snip.

Sorry for the double post, but yes: I do believe that Sony will release a update that allows BC: there was a story about it before. And as soon as it happens, I'll get a console.

It's just that I don't want to buy something until I'm guaranteed that BC is out and it works. I'm a cautious consumer.

 

[Jumplion]

I'm curious as to how much the BC would cost to be put back in, anyway.

About, you know, $100 or so because that's the price cut they gave the PS3 when they removed BC. You can't say they didn't listen to their consumers, at least their wallets crying for "less expensiveness-ess!!"

Besides, Sony said the exact same thing about price cuts, rumble coming back, the Slim, more price cuts, and firmware update crap forever. I wouldn't be surprised if they patched BC in with a firmware update.

 

[pantallica95]

I guess this means im keepin my trusty silver PS2! I can play Symphony of the Night and my other PS1/PS2 games on that, and play all these newfangled games on my PS3! When i buy a fancy new 120GB 300 dollar one!

 

[sms_117b]

I'm curious as to how much the BC would cost to be put back in, anyway.

About, you know, $100 or so because that's the price cut they gave the PS3 when they removed BC. You can't say they didn't listen to their consumers, at least their wallets crying for "less expensiveness-ess!!"

Besides, Sony said the exact same thing about price cuts, rumble coming back, the Slim, more price cuts, and firmware update crap forever. I wouldn't be surprised if they patched BC in with a firmware update.

I thought the PS3's BC was more Hardware than Software. If that's the case it would very much explain the price drop and completely rule out a firmware BC update.

 

[E-mantheseeker]

Do the earlier PS3's that have BC play every PS2 title perfectly? If so, I'll get one

 

[DrDeath3191]

Seems logical to me: if you want to sell PS4 games, make the PS4 non-backwards compatible. People who buy the console will buy the games for it. To those who say that they want to be able to play their PS3 titles on it: chances are that if you have PS3 games, you own a PS3. And by the time the PS4 launches, the PS3 will be cheap enough to purchase easily. You don't need to buy a PS4 to play PS3 games.

EDIT: Whoops! I didn't read the article. Deduct one from each number, and change all verbs to past tense.

 

[Jumplion]

I'm curious as to how much the BC would cost to be put back in, anyway.

About, you know, $100 or so because that's the price cut they gave the PS3 when they removed BC. You can't say they didn't listen to their consumers, at least their wallets crying for "less expensiveness-ess!!"

Besides, Sony said the exact same thing about price cuts, rumble coming back, the Slim, more price cuts, and firmware update crap forever. I wouldn't be surprised if they patched BC in with a firmware update.

I thought the PS3's BC was more Hardware than Software. If that's the case it would very much explain the price drop and completely rule out a firmware BC update.

Before having BC in PS3's basically meant to shove in a PS2 in there, but with this article [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.122000?page=1] it does show that it is possible for Sony to update the PS3 with PS2 compatibility through a firmware update. I'd imagine that it's both hardware and software concerned.