Sony: Backwards Compatibility Is Never Coming Back

[Phyroxis]

Glad I got the 80gb.

 

[Loafers]

That's odd, doesn't someone remember a company that makes software, an internet browser, operating systems, and a gaming console? I think they said that "nobody wants backwards compatibility"? I seem to remember them hastily adding that feature once they were laughed at.

 

[sms_117b]

Do the earlier PS3's that have BC play every PS2 title perfectly? If so, I'll get one

So far I've only had a speed limit problem with GTA: San Andreas, like, the vehicles don't seem to have one.

I'm curious as to how much the BC would cost to be put back in, anyway.

About, you know, $100 or so because that's the price cut they gave the PS3 when they removed BC. You can't say they didn't listen to their consumers, at least their wallets crying for "less expensiveness-ess!!"

Besides, Sony said the exact same thing about price cuts, rumble coming back, the Slim, more price cuts, and firmware update crap forever. I wouldn't be surprised if they patched BC in with a firmware update.

I thought the PS3's BC was more Hardware than Software. If that's the case it would very much explain the price drop and completely rule out a firmware BC update.

Before having BC in PS3's basically meant to shove in a PS2 in there, but with this article [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.122000?page=1] it does show that it is possible for Sony to update the PS3 with PS2 compatibility through a firmware update. I'd imagine that it's both hardware and software concerned.

Ah, seems a USB add-on with firmware could also solve the problem. Then again the Cell is still young technologically speaking, still got sometime to fine tune, harness and manipulate it.

 

[bodyklok]

Well, to me you see, that just sound, and I'm not trying to be offensive here, a bit lazy and cheap.

Now, don't get me wrong here, what Sony has done is deplorable and I'm really not trying to defend them, their decision to not put in the effort to create an emulator for PS2/PS1 games is also lazy, and kinda cheap as well. But even so, I still think everyone who's saying that they can't possibly buy a new PS2 (£44!) is being incredibly tight (cash wise), which I can understand if you can't afford to buy a PS2.

If that's not the case though, then all I have to say is this:

Spoiler

Spoiler: No offence is intended

BOO FUCKING WHO!
Nobody likes spending money!

A bit lazy? A bit cheap?

You're talking to the person who told people to quit bitching about how multi-disk is inconvenient [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.132325#2950129] and told people to quit whining about the higher prices on PC games. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.132205?page=2#2944859]

Well maybe you should take a leaf out of your own book then.

...I'm starting to sound like a bit of an ass hole now...

Like I've said several times before, I don't mind the price of the PS3: I'd buy it right now, IF IT HAD BC.

But it costs so little money to get a PS2, and then it takes hardly any effort to unplug your PS3 from your TV and then plug you PS2 in. I do it all the time with my PS3 and PC. It's really not as hard as I make it look.

I'm curious as to how much the BC would cost to be put back in, anyway.

Well like jump said they cut $100 of the cost when they took it out. However, I still think some 3rd party developer will create an emulator for it, and that could be a very cheap download form PSN. Assuming Sony doesn't have any issues with it.

 

[scotth266]

Well maybe you should take a leaf out of your own book then.

...I'm starting to sound like a bit of an ass hole now...

What you fail to understand is that I'm not refusing to buy the PS3 and PS2 at the same time because of cost or convenience (thought they contribute somewhat): my main reason is PRINCIPLES. I want the PS3 to have BC because I see that as part of Sony's great identity as a console manufacturer. It's the same reason I would never purchase a DSi: I abhor Nintendo's removal of BC from their handhelds, because it's been a staple of them since the beginning.

 

[Midniqht]

Why do they constantly insist on shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to selling points? First it's price, now its backwards compatibility. They aren't thinking that people will take hits of nostalgia every now and then and want to replay older titles... to some people, that's everything. Someone like me could care less about the "substantial lineup"

 

[Jumplion]

Why do they constantly insist on shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to selling points? First it's price, now its backwards compatibility. They aren't thinking that people will take hits of nostalgia every now and then and want to replay older titles... to some people, that's everything. Someone like me could care less about the "substantial lineup"

Well, if you don't care about the "substantial lineup" of the PS3 in the first place, wouldn't it be easier to just buy a $99 PS2?

 

[HEXYDEZiMAL]

the thing is people will always find a stupid reason not to get the ps3, first it's the price, then it's no bc, next it will be something even more stupid

i think they also don't want to pull the m$ version which is a software emulation and is rather broken and most games can't be played and probly won't ever be able to be played

Well, tell me what you think of this reason: because it really isn't that great, or even necessary.

All of the games are out for the cheaper 360 or the PC, and I wouldn't blow the equivalent of its price tag to get the exclusives. The 360's formerly exclusive Mass Effect totally crushes every PS3 exclusive that I'm aware of. Blu-Ray playing isn't THAT vital (HD formatted video is easy to get a hold of without needing to pander to Sony's format, thanks). If and when I do desire Blu-Ray support, my PC can do that just fine. The lack of backwards compatibility only drives more nails into this useless console's coffin.

By the way... in my encounters with the 360's software emulator, the games worked fine. The only thing lamentable about it was the lack of support for Timesplitters: Future Perfect.

 

[JordanMillward_1]

the thing is people will always find a stupid reason not to get the ps3, first it's the price, then it's no bc, next it will be something even more stupid

i think they also don't want to pull the m$ version which is a software emulation and is rather broken and most games can't be played and probly won't ever be able to be played

Well, tell me what you think of this reason: because it really isn't that great, or even necessary.

All of the games are out for the cheaper 360 or the PC, and I wouldn't blow the equivalent of its price tag to get the exclusives. The 360's formerly exclusive Msss Effect totally crushes every PS3 exclusive that I'm aware of. Blu-Ray playing isn't THAT vital (HD formatted video is easy to get a hold of without needing to pander to Sony's format, thanks). If and when I do desire Blu-Ray support, my PC can do that just fine. The lack of backwards compatibility only drives more nails into this useless console's coffin.

By the way... in my encounters with the 360's software emulator, the games worked fine. The only thing lamentable about it was the lack of support for Timesplitters: Future Perfect.

I agree entirely with this, especially the last bit (Future Perfect rocked).

And once again I am happy I ignored most of my friends back in the day, got an N64 instead of a Playstation, then bought an Xbox instead of a PS2, and then got the 360 a year before the PS3 even hit the shelves. At least I can say I never made the mistake of ever giving Sony Entertainment any of my money.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

It's disappointing that BC is not going to be included (yet...), but at the same time, that gives me more reason to hang onto my PS2 that I already have. It's not like when I got my PS2 I got rid of my DVD player to save space. Point is, if you have a PS2, why are you complaining about not having BC? If you don't...just wait for a week's wage and go get a used one.

 

[squeakyreaper]

Woohoo, it just got even harder to play JRPGs. At least Disgaea is on the PS3, but I've lost about half the prospective library from Atlus. Maybe I'll find a BC PS3 somewhere.

 

[Rigs83]

Time to buy a backup PS2.

 

[Ghost8585]

People just love to ***** huh? I think the "No BC! Waaahh!" well become the new "Price is too high! Waaaahh!" As Xbox fanboys ball their little eyes out. I seem to remember 360's B/C initially being sketchy at best. Where was the complaining then? As for myself, I have the 80 gig, fully BC ThankYouVeryMuch ^_^

 

[Ancientgamer]

I already have a PS2, so ~meh, this won't stop me from getting a PS3.

 

[bodyklok]

PRINCIPLES!

Well, that at lest, I can understand. I don't really agree, mainly because I couldn't care less about Sony's great identity (I like'em as a company, but even so...), but I know where you're coming from.

 

[Ghost8585]

the thing is people will always find a stupid reason not to get the ps3, first it's the price, then it's no bc, next it will be something even more stupid

i think they also don't want to pull the m$ version which is a software emulation and is rather broken and most games can't be played and probly won't ever be able to be played

Well, tell me what you think of this reason: because it really isn't that great, or even necessary.

All of the games are out for the cheaper 360 or the PC, and I wouldn't blow the equivalent of its price tag to get the exclusives. The 360's formerly exclusive Msss Effect totally crushes every PS3 exclusive that I'm aware of. Blu-Ray playing isn't THAT vital (HD formatted video is easy to get a hold of without needing to pander to Sony's format, thanks). If and when I do desire Blu-Ray support, my PC can do that just fine. The lack of backwards compatibility only drives more nails into this useless console's coffin.

By the way... in my encounters with the 360's software emulator, the games worked fine. The only thing lamentable about it was the lack of support for Timesplitters: Future Perfect.

I agree entirely with this, especially the last bit (Future Perfect rocked).

And once again I am happy I ignored most of my friends back in the day, got an N64 instead of a Playstation, then bought an Xbox instead of a PS2, and then got the 360 a year before the PS3 even hit the shelves. At least I can say I never made the mistake of ever giving Sony Entertainment any of my money.

OMG, mean ole' Mr. PlayStation is going to kill us all! Get over yourself, seriously. Having preferences is fine, acting like you're a heroic savior against the forces of "evil" (i.e. - acting like a fanboy twat) is stupid. Wanna talk about something useless? A console with a 50% chance of dying. I would bet that over half of the people who don't like the PS3 have never taken time with it. And now that the old reasons of hate (price, no rumble, ect.) are gone, you're desperately scrambling for any reason you can.

 

[HentMas]

thats the thing, PS2 is still selling and they want to sell more PS3 games, i mean, why did they made "Rock Band" for the PS2 when there was already a PS3??? because they were sure it would sell more, "who haves a PS3 anywhay??", by not bringing back the PS2 funtion, it forces the developers make games for the PS3, not for whatever console they want...

and i think it´s a good idea to bring more developers for the ps3, it means more games, probably more exclusives and obviously more people buying the console

hell i was Horrified by the fact i would no longer be able to play "Fatal Frame 2: Crimsom Butterfly" (a really atmospheric and scary game centering in horror and suspense) but just immagine a game like that for PS3 with it´s visuals!!! *shudders*

i think this is the right choice for PS3 (after all, PSone games are still good to play, hell i am playing Final Fantasy VIII in my PS3... well... actually i have in in my psp but anyway, you get the point)

 

[HentMas]

the thing is people will always find a stupid reason not to get the ps3, first it's the price, then it's no bc, next it will be something even more stupid

i think they also don't want to pull the m$ version which is a software emulation and is rather broken and most games can't be played and probly won't ever be able to be played

Well, tell me what you think of this reason: because it really isn't that great, or even necessary.

All of the games are out for the cheaper 360 or the PC, and I wouldn't blow the equivalent of its price tag to get the exclusives. The 360's formerly exclusive Msss Effect totally crushes every PS3 exclusive that I'm aware of. Blu-Ray playing isn't THAT vital (HD formatted video is easy to get a hold of without needing to pander to Sony's format, thanks). If and when I do desire Blu-Ray support, my PC can do that just fine. The lack of backwards compatibility only drives more nails into this useless console's coffin.

By the way... in my encounters with the 360's software emulator, the games worked fine. The only thing lamentable about it was the lack of support for Timesplitters: Future Perfect.

I agree entirely with this, especially the last bit (Future Perfect rocked).

And once again I am happy I ignored most of my friends back in the day, got an N64 instead of a Playstation, then bought an Xbox instead of a PS2, and then got the 360 a year before the PS3 even hit the shelves. At least I can say I never made the mistake of ever giving Sony Entertainment any of my money.

sooo... instead of ending as a Play Station Fanboy you ended up as an XBOX fanboy...

yeaaahhh

 

[Dys]

I don't have a ps2 and had every intention of buying a PS2 simply because it would've been worth the extra $$ for an extra generations worth of games..now, not so much....meh, guess I'll still probably get one when the price is reasonable.

 

[TriggerUnhappy]

Well then, I guess it's a good thing I already bought a PS3 with full backwards compatibility. *look of smugness*