That's correct. When they learned that Congress was gonna use the outstanding loans to freeze their ability to pay themselves huge year-end bonuses, most of them hurried up and paid back the loans.emeraldrafael said:
uhh...Yes, yes breach of contract is very much a crime, it isn't a violent crime, like murder or rape, but in the business world it's pretty much the only crime. Anyone who's spent even a minimal amount of time studying business law (I'm literally talking 10 minutes here) will be know that each is a crime, and there are preceding cases relating to each offense. I've gone ahead and quoted in some very, very basic links into my previous post....I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or just completely naive to the law, but either way I'm amazed that anyone would claim that negligence or breaking contract is not a crime :SJDKJ said:
I completely agree. This is a terrible thing but at the same time, it's being blown up to unrealistic proportions.meganmeave said:
It's not. I'm pretty sure that if it was, I'd have discovered that fact during my three years of law school and umpteen years in the practice of law. The recourse for breach of contract and civil negligence is to file suit in civil court. There's no criminal statute in any state or federal penal code that provides for prosecution for breach of contract or civil negligence. I'll bet any amount of money on that. If you're inclined to quickly part with some of your money, then feel free to put some where your mouth is -- you will lose that money. I can guarantee that.Dys said:
and sony can be blamed solely for it being blown up to well actually realistic proportions...Because frankly they haven't given us a true guarantee at any point our information wasn't accessed including credit cards.thedeathscythe said:
In relation to the overall operating expenses of your typical bank, that's not a very significant cost. The real cost to them will be if and when those credit and debit card numbers are used in fraudulent transactions. That's where their potential risk of taking huge hits is substantial. The risk management costs are peanuts.qwerty19411 said:
Holy shit, you and I see eye to eye, HAHA. Not that you need me to tell you, but you are obviously right. None of what Sony did was criminal. They were the victims of a crime themselves. That is like saying the old lady who gets mugged is at fault because she doesn't carry enough protection. Just plain silly.JDKJ said:
If they politely invite you, then you can decline. If they serve you with a subpoena demanding that you show up, then your ability to decline is much more limited. You can, however, do what many do when hauled before Congress and are asked to answer their questions: repeat the phrase "on the advice of my attorney, I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that to do so could tend to incriminate me" (aka "taking the Fifth") over and over and over again until they get tired of you and send you back home.Loop Stricken said:
It's not though. When you put it into perspective: Something like 77 million users world wide had their account details stolen, not to mention the SOE users (such as myself) who had their accounts hacked. (personal tangent: My boyfriend was paying for my DCUO sub because he bought me the game as a Valentine's Day present. I feel horrifically guilty because his CC details could have been stolen. I'm glad I made him change his details when this first broke.)thedeathscythe said:
...Fine, that is technically right, but Sony have still broken the law in their breach of contract and for intents and purposes that is a crime, they are also almost certainly in breach of government regulations (related to breach of contract) and will probably be fined.JDKJ said:
That "story" about the guy in Australia looks to be more bullshit than anything else. There's been absolutely no confirmation of his claim. Nor does his "story" even claim that the claimed credit card fraud is without doubt related to Sony's data breach. In any situation where there's 10 million accounts with credit card information that have been compromised, there's actually a good chance that some of those 10 million card holders will suffer credit card fraud shortly thereafter. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the fraud is related to the data breach. They could have just as likely given their card to some shady clerk at a mall store who double-swiped their card and stole their card information, using it to thereafter clone a card for fraudulent purposes. I'm actually surprised that there haven't been more reported cases of fraud involving PSN and SEO card holders. That does suggest that either (a) the crackers didn't get usable card information or (b) if they did get usable card information, they're not trying to use it in cloning cards.Radelaide said:
I don't want to get into the middle of your discussion, but after reading through this thread, I don't see what contract Sony breached? Every company has to take reasonable precautions with customer data. But that's it - "reasonable", and that's in their judgment, no one elses. If you look at PCI standards for the protection of credit card transactions, they're pretty - let's say "general". It might be true that Sony didn't meet those standards, just as it might be true that they didn't meet Sarbanes-Oxley standards for the protection of systems involved in financial reporting.Dys said:
