20 million australians 60 million UKians so yes australia is smallTulks said:Small? You may be thinking of the UK.
20 million australians 60 million UKians so yes australia is smallTulks said:Small? You may be thinking of the UK.
C'mon, man. Putting aside the fact that you yourself are citing a population ratio between Australia and the UK of just 1 to 3, Australia is its own fucking continent. You don't get to be a continent by being small.Merkavar said:20 million australians 60 million UKians so yes australia is smallTulks said:Small? You may be thinking of the UK.
Exceptional in the technical aspects!?Nieroshai said:Why does Congress do this? PUBLICITY! All congressional hearings are for is making a person or organization grovel on live TV, and Sony has every right to refuse. They have done nothing wrong except maybe be slow to mention the breakin, but they were exceptional in handling the fechnical aspects.
It's unproven. You can't say someone is guilty of negligence just for being hacked and they're recovering from the whole thing in a matter of weeks, that's a pretty short amount of time for something like this. I see no reason why they have to appear in front of a hearing until it's proven they have actually commited a crime, based on their press statements and the sheer insanity of a huge company like Sony storing personal information in plain text or skimping on security I have no reason to believe what they've said isn't true. They should answer questions but no more than that, they aren't criminals yet at least so shouldn't be treated as such.Dys said:uhh...Yes, yes breach of contract is very much a crime, it isn't a violent crime, like murder or rape, but in the business world it's pretty much the only crime. Anyone who's spent even a minimal amount of time studying business law (I'm literally talking 10 minutes here) will be know that each is a crime, and there are preceding cases relating to each offense. I've gone ahead and quoted in some very, very basic links into my previous post....I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or just completely naive to the law, but either way I'm amazed that anyone would claim that negligence or breaking contract is not a crime :S
Got an issue with Australia?Merkavar said:i dont get australia. its so small but it seems to have if finger in every pie there is.
australia seems to get a mention all over the place.
Geographically Australia is huge. Plus our dollar (and to a lesser effect our economy) is super strong at the moment, so we're on a roll. Don't dismiss Australia; we may be far away, but as a nation we're involved in a lot of things. Maybe getting involved in US congress is going a step too far though.Merkavar said:i dont get australia. its so small but it seems to have if finger in every pie there is.
australia seems to get a mention all over the place.
yes yes and yes!zombie711 said:Perhapse Sega could step back into the game again.
So like most governments the American government cant multitask or shouldn't in your opinion?Baresark said:I hate government intervention. Let's not worry about the illegal wars being fought overseas, or the horrible deficit spending, US empire building, or any of the like affairs. Lets just worry about something we can't actually do anything about, let's badger a company off of American soil, fine them, or whatever insignificant thing they will do that will result in the customers getting hurt.
I hate Sony, but I hate our impotent congress more. People on the public payroll like that should only speak when spoken to.Holy shit, you and I see eye to eye, HAHA. Not that you need me to tell you, but you are obviously right. None of what Sony did was criminal. They were the victims of a crime themselves. That is like saying the old lady who gets mugged is at fault because she doesn't carry enough protection. Just plain silly.JDKJ said:It's not. I'm pretty sure that if it was, I'd have discovered that fact during my three years of law school and umpteen years in the practice of law. The recourse for breach of contract and civil negligence is to file suit in civil court. There's no criminal statute in any state or federal penal code that provides for prosecution for breach of contract or civil negligence. I'll bet any amount of money on that. If you're inclined to quickly part with some of your money, then feel free to put some where your mouth is -- you will lose that money. I can guarantee that.Dys said:snipJDKJ said:None of that's a "crime."Dys said:Gross negligence, breach of their privacy policy, removal of a product products ability to to be used for it's specific purpose (on several counts) and distribution of a product that is below merchantable quality.
And I clicked your links. They do absolutely nothing to support your contention that the offenses you list are criminal offenses. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero.
Breach of contract is indeed a crime, however 2 key points occur to me.Dys said:-snipped quotes-
uhh...Yes, yes breach of contract is very much a crime, it isn't a violent crime, like murder or rape, but in the business world it's pretty much the only crime. Anyone who's spent even a minimal amount of time studying business law (I'm literally talking 10 minutes here) will be know that each is a crime, and there are preceding cases relating to each offense. I've gone ahead and quoted in some very, very basic links into my previous post....I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or just completely naive to the law, but either way I'm amazed that anyone would claim that negligence or breaking contract is not a crime :S
That's pretty much it. A few politicians want to be seen asking Sony hard questions.Nieroshai said:Why does Congress do this? PUBLICITY! All congressional hearings are for is making a person or organization grovel on live TV, and Sony has every right to refuse. They have done nothing wrong except maybe be slow to mention the breakin, but they were exceptional in handling the fechnical aspects.
Actually i believe that is a crime.JDKJ said:None of that's a "crime."Dys said:Gross negligence, breach of their privacy policy, removal of a product products ability to to be used for it's specific purpose (on several counts) and distribution of a product that is below merchantable quality.
At least they don't have other people's papers to cheat off of............because other companies passed the class and didn't have to take this extra test.Sober Thal said:Also, thanks gamerguy473 for the link to the questions.
I hope Sony answers honestly.
I believe removing product abilities after launch is a crime in the EU though. No idea about the US.JDKJ said:None of that's a "crime."Dys said:Gross negligence, breach of their privacy policy, removal of a product products ability to to be used for it's specific purpose (on several counts) and distribution of a product that is below merchantable quality.
Australia is acting on it because this affects its people. It has every right to enforce laws on how companies operate. I believe a government should be commended for looking at all facets of its duties. And we aren't THAT small.Merkavar said:i dont get australia. its so small but it seems to have if finger in every pie there is.
australia seems to get a mention all over the place.
anyway i kind of think its a bit of a silly move to not testify before congress. to me it makes them sound like they dont care about data security.
Which one? Not that it really matters, none of them are. But I'm interested in knowing which one you think is a crime.Shadow-Phoenix said:Actually i believe that is a crime.JDKJ said:None of that's a "crime."Dys said:Gross negligence, breach of their privacy policy, removal of a product products ability to to be used for it's specific purpose (on several counts) and distribution of a product that is below merchantable quality.