Sony Declines to Appear Before U.S. Congress

JDKJ

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Merkavar said:
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Small? You may be thinking of the UK.
20 million australians 60 million UKians so yes australia is small
C'mon, man. Putting aside the fact that you yourself are citing a population ratio between Australia and the UK of just 1 to 3, Australia is its own fucking continent. You don't get to be a continent by being small.
 

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Why does Congress do this? PUBLICITY! All congressional hearings are for is making a person or organization grovel on live TV, and Sony has every right to refuse. They have done nothing wrong except maybe be slow to mention the breakin, but they were exceptional in handling the fechnical aspects.
Exceptional in the technical aspects!?

really?

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Dys said:
uhh...Yes, yes breach of contract is very much a crime, it isn't a violent crime, like murder or rape, but in the business world it's pretty much the only crime. Anyone who's spent even a minimal amount of time studying business law (I'm literally talking 10 minutes here) will be know that each is a crime, and there are preceding cases relating to each offense. I've gone ahead and quoted in some very, very basic links into my previous post....I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or just completely naive to the law, but either way I'm amazed that anyone would claim that negligence or breaking contract is not a crime :S
It's unproven. You can't say someone is guilty of negligence just for being hacked and they're recovering from the whole thing in a matter of weeks, that's a pretty short amount of time for something like this. I see no reason why they have to appear in front of a hearing until it's proven they have actually commited a crime, based on their press statements and the sheer insanity of a huge company like Sony storing personal information in plain text or skimping on security I have no reason to believe what they've said isn't true. They should answer questions but no more than that, they aren't criminals yet at least so shouldn't be treated as such.
 

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Merkavar said:
i dont get australia. its so small but it seems to have if finger in every pie there is.

australia seems to get a mention all over the place.
Got an issue with Australia?

come on, spill it out
 

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[HEADING=2]Sony refuses to attend congressional hearing:[/HEADING]


"Wait, can they do that?"
 

zombie711

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O wounder if sony might not be a gameing company by the end of this.
Perhapse Sega could step back into the game again.
 
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Merkavar said:
i dont get australia. its so small but it seems to have if finger in every pie there is.

australia seems to get a mention all over the place.
Geographically Australia is huge. Plus our dollar (and to a lesser effect our economy) is super strong at the moment, so we're on a roll. Don't dismiss Australia; we may be far away, but as a nation we're involved in a lot of things. Maybe getting involved in US congress is going a step too far though.
 

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I hate government intervention. Let's not worry about the illegal wars being fought overseas, or the horrible deficit spending, US empire building, or any of the like affairs. Lets just worry about something we can't actually do anything about, let's badger a company off of American soil, fine them, or whatever insignificant thing they will do that will result in the customers getting hurt.

I hate Sony, but I hate our impotent congress more. People on the public payroll like that should only speak when spoken to.
JDKJ said:
Dys said:
JDKJ said:
Dys said:
Gross negligence, breach of their privacy policy, removal of a product products ability to to be used for it's specific purpose (on several counts) and distribution of a product that is below merchantable quality.
None of that's a "crime."
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It's not. I'm pretty sure that if it was, I'd have discovered that fact during my three years of law school and umpteen years in the practice of law. The recourse for breach of contract and civil negligence is to file suit in civil court. There's no criminal statute in any state or federal penal code that provides for prosecution for breach of contract or civil negligence. I'll bet any amount of money on that. If you're inclined to quickly part with some of your money, then feel free to put some where your mouth is -- you will lose that money. I can guarantee that.

And I clicked your links. They do absolutely nothing to support your contention that the offenses you list are criminal offenses. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero.
Holy shit, you and I see eye to eye, HAHA. Not that you need me to tell you, but you are obviously right. None of what Sony did was criminal. They were the victims of a crime themselves. That is like saying the old lady who gets mugged is at fault because she doesn't carry enough protection. Just plain silly.
So like most governments the American government cant multitask or shouldn't in your opinion?
Its these same statements that make no sense on the level when people complain about the police showing up to do their jobs last month when a bunch of people were given a years ample time to remove their basketball hoops of which they never use from the curbs of roads because of a city ordinance they didn't vote against and pretty much ignored..The government is capable of doing quite a few different things this happens to be one of them...but maybe the government should stop as a whole to concentrate on wars in the world and then american can descend into hell...because the stuff usually regulated by the government and metered by the government no longer is...

Will you go out and stop the roving bands of rioters whom can't get their welfare, social security...etc because you decided the government should stop working on many things and work on just one thing you think is supposedly important?
 

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Dys said:
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uhh...Yes, yes breach of contract is very much a crime, it isn't a violent crime, like murder or rape, but in the business world it's pretty much the only crime. Anyone who's spent even a minimal amount of time studying business law (I'm literally talking 10 minutes here) will be know that each is a crime, and there are preceding cases relating to each offense. I've gone ahead and quoted in some very, very basic links into my previous post....I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or just completely naive to the law, but either way I'm amazed that anyone would claim that negligence or breaking contract is not a crime :S
Breach of contract is indeed a crime, however 2 key points occur to me.

1) International law is a mess. Its one of the reasons its ok for the oil companies to price fix on something I spend £40/week and rising but morrisons get their ass slapped for price fixing something I spend £10/mo on.

2) I'd bet my ass there is a clause in that contract that says "we can withdraw the service whenever we feel like it". Lets face it, Sony took the PSN down to stop any more data theft. I'd say thats a GOOD thing. I'm sure they covered themselves so that they can't be sued just because their service went down.


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Sony do have to answer for what they have done. I personally think they WERE negligent, not because they were hacked but because they were hacked and lost EVERYTHING. You hear about places like amazon getting hacked and they say "we lost 200,000 customer details" and such. Sony lost their entire DB and didn't notice. Potentially this could probably happen to any company but if we don't investigate for all we know Sony's internal security policy could be "print personal details on everything we hand out".
 

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I guess Sony's just going to phone it in, much like their security.


Now, before I get blasted for that terrible joke, I have an old SOE account and a PSN account, so my conflicting public records data is out there for the world to see.
 

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Nieroshai said:
Why does Congress do this? PUBLICITY! All congressional hearings are for is making a person or organization grovel on live TV, and Sony has every right to refuse. They have done nothing wrong except maybe be slow to mention the breakin, but they were exceptional in handling the fechnical aspects.
That's pretty much it. A few politicians want to be seen asking Sony hard questions.

And Sony has played it damn smart. They're answering the questions put to them as quickly as possible (making it tough for a glory-seeking politician to claim their hiding something) and claiming the situation requires their full attention.

Over-all, Sony is playing a bad situation pretty well. There's no way a company comes out ahead on this, but after a slow start (perhaps due to them honestly not knowing the full extent of the hacking) they've pretty much thrown themselves on their own sword. The key to situations like this is not to be seen protecting your own interests over the interests of those affected and they've not really been caught out on that since they admitted the security breach.
 

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JDKJ said:
Dys said:
Gross negligence, breach of their privacy policy, removal of a product products ability to to be used for it's specific purpose (on several counts) and distribution of a product that is below merchantable quality.
None of that's a "crime."
Actually i believe that is a crime.
 

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Also, thanks gamerguy473 for the link to the questions.


I hope Sony answers honestly.
At least they don't have other people's papers to cheat off of............because other companies passed the class and didn't have to take this extra test.
 

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JDKJ said:
Dys said:
Gross negligence, breach of their privacy policy, removal of a product products ability to to be used for it's specific purpose (on several counts) and distribution of a product that is below merchantable quality.
None of that's a "crime."
I believe removing product abilities after launch is a crime in the EU though. No idea about the US.
 

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Merkavar said:
i dont get australia. its so small but it seems to have if finger in every pie there is.

australia seems to get a mention all over the place.

anyway i kind of think its a bit of a silly move to not testify before congress. to me it makes them sound like they dont care about data security.
Australia is acting on it because this affects its people. It has every right to enforce laws on how companies operate. I believe a government should be commended for looking at all facets of its duties. And we aren't THAT small.
 

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Shadow-Phoenix said:
JDKJ said:
Dys said:
Gross negligence, breach of their privacy policy, removal of a product products ability to to be used for it's specific purpose (on several counts) and distribution of a product that is below merchantable quality.
None of that's a "crime."
Actually i believe that is a crime.
Which one? Not that it really matters, none of them are. But I'm interested in knowing which one you think is a crime.
 

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The Privacy policy look at it this way the Reality Hacker has your info and thats breaching the Privacy policy no matter what way you look at it.