Sony Has Cut PS3 Production Costs By 70 Percent

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Sony Has Cut PS3 Production Costs By 70 Percent



Sony has made huge strides in cutting down on the manufacturing costs for the PlayStation 3, CFO Nobuyuki Oneda revealed during an earnings call yesterday.

Common wisdom has it that the components to manufacture the PS3 are so expensive that Sony has literally been losing money on every console sold. That's not just hearsay or conjecture - Sony CEO Howard Stringer has joked himself that he "loses money on every PlayStation I make - how's that for logic?"

Stringer's finances might be getting a tad more logical if recent remarks from Sony CFO Noboyuki Oneda are to be believed. "The cost reductions since we introduced the PS3 are very substantial and on schedule," Oneda said during an earnings call yesterday. "We don't disclose how much of the PS3 cost reduction was specifically achieved during the past two years. But that is on schedule."

What exactly does that mean? Oneda says that they've cut manufacturing costs by "about 70 percent, roughly speaking."

So does that mean that Sony isn't losing dough every time they pump out a PS3? Oneda doesn't give any exact numbers, but as GameSpot [http://www.gamespot.com/news/6214569.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6214569] theorizes, if iSuppli's numbers are to be believed, and in 2006 it cost $840.35 to produce a unit, then it costs around $242.10 to produce a PS3 presently. The PS3 base model costs $399 nowadays, which would figure a $146.90 profit per system sold, without factoring other costs (which could very well take a hefty chunk of that).

In any case, if Oneda isn't fibbing, it's good news for Sony's investors and supporters - a 2/3 drop in production cost is a good thing. But what's brought about such a dramatic decrease? Is it just Sony's brilliance when it comes to streamlining hardware production, or could Oneda's words reflect the existence of a PS3 that's much cheaper to make? One that's smaller and thus cheaper? One that's, I don't know, Slim [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/92827-PS3-Slim-Production-Already-Underway]?


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Wow, I'm really unsure of whether Sony will cut the price of the PS3 or won't. On the one hand, they certainly have the motivation and now the ability to, on the other, they've fought against people imploring, begging, and threatening them to change it for so long, maybe they'll hold out just for spite.
 

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hm- I'm sadly to lazy to look this up, but I thought that the ceo comment was that if they cut the sale price they'd be loosing money. Did I just read that wrong?
 

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It's probably mostly just the dispersion of the cost of the original factories used to make the chips. They had a huge initial investment, but now that they've made a few years worth of chips, the effective cost-per-chip has gone down.
 

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Maybe it's connected to all the feature chopping the PS3's been subjected to.

The cost of those usb ports, last gen chipsets and card readers must amount to quite a lot in manufacturing.


I don't know, it seems like Sony are out to torpedo their own ship, they constantly state they are not going to cut the PS3's price and that it represents excellent value and so on, then they announce things like this.

It erodes their own arguments. Still, it could be worse, they could have cut PS2 backwards compatability as well, you'd have to be a complete and total bloody moron to do that...
 

obisean

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Ha, they are losing their own war to fight and keep the console at the prices it is despite the fact it isn't selling as well as others and that companies are slamming it. They would make more money with a lower retail on the system. Every system they sell, that's a pretty much infinite amount of money for them to spend on PSN and retail games published by Sony, not to mention the outrageously overpriced accessories. Accessories are overpriced on any console though.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
Still, it could be worse, they could have cut PS2 backwards compatability as well, you'd have to be a complete and total bloody moron to do that...
Or even worse, they could randomly remove it from some models and some countries... Yeah, that would suck.
 

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HobbesMkii said:
Wow, I'm really unsure of whether Sony will cut the price of the PS3 or won't. On the one hand, they certainly have the motivation and now the ability to, on the other, they've fought against people imploring, begging, and threatening them to change it for so long, maybe they'll hold out just for spite.
I don't think they will. If the next console wars are scheduled for 2012, they will probably be focusing all their efforts on not screwing up there..

Besides, any price drop for the ps3 will be countered by Microsoft/Nintendo.

fix-the-spade said:
It erodes their own arguments. Still, it could be worse, they could have cut PS2 backwards compatability as well, you'd have to be a complete and total bloody moron to do that...
I thought they did cut backwards compatibility for some models... and those that do have backwards compatibility, there are a lot of complaints that Sony doesn't filter/resize the graphics properly on ps2 games that need it, or release patches to fix graphics issues... [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs]
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The 20gb and 60gb are backward compatible with PS2 games as these units have the Emotion chip in them.

The 40gb PS3's are NOT backward compatible.

The 80gb's that were first released, up to and including the Metal Gear Solid 80gb Bundle ARE backward compatible with PS2 games thru software emulation.

The 80gb and 160gb that are currently for sale are NOT backward compatible with PS2 games.

All PS3's play PS1 games.
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I can sense 360 fanboy hostility approaching this thread.

Uh oh. They're mad. Everyone get your flame shields!

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fix-the-spade said:
It erodes their own arguments. Still, it could be worse, they could have cut PS2 backwards compatability as well, you'd have to be a complete and total bloody moron to do that...
Crap. I'm too late.
 

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Does this mean Sony finally is going to stop being an ass? Well, on the path. They should also get rid of having them being complicated for complication's sake. Doubt they will make me a fan, but if they let go of stubbornness, I won't be harsh on them anymore. (They could just keep being asses though and keep earning my hate, but Im gonna be optimistic)
 

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hansari said:
I thought they did cut backwards compatibility for some models... and those that do have backwards compatibility, there are a lot of
That was kind of my point, Sony have been cutting out their selling points in an effort to lower the system's costs. It's almost like they actively try to make the PS3 a less attractive proposition as well.

I find it bizarre, I'd love to spend a day with Playstation division's head honchos, just to see what's going through their mind.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
That was kind of my point, Sony have been cutting out their selling points in an effort to lower the system's costs. It's almost like they actively try to make the PS3 a less attractive proposition as well.

I find it bizarre, I'd love to spend a day with Playstation division's head honchos, just to see what's going through their mind.
I was under the impression they did that so people would still buy PS2's...would make sense since a fan crazy enough to buy the 160 gb version would probably have enough cash to just buy the ps2...

(and by crazy, I mean I cannot comprehend how one can fill up a 160 gb hard drive...)
 

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I get nervous whenever I read news like this. Reducing production costs that dramatically is usually a sign that it's being made more cheaply (read: lower quality/safety). I half expect this to be followed in a few months with stories like:
"Sony warns that new model will explode after more than two hours of continuous use."
"Recall on new PS3 model; cooling fan found to expel asbestos and CO2."
"Gamer reports new PS3 power supply 'burned brighter than the sun' before melting through concrete floor."
 

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hansari said:
I was under the impression they did that so people would still buy PS2's...
Perhaps, but it doesn't really make business sense when second hand PS2's are so easy to find and cheap.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
Pendragon9 said:
Crap. I'm too late.
You'll find I'm just as complimentary of the Microsoft system, now stop stirring.
I just honestly felt that it didn't really warrant a complaint.

People don't want to buy the PS3, but they want the PS2. So they keep selling Ps2s. It sounds good to me.

Though I shudder to wonder what will happen if they reintroduce PS2 compat back into the PS3's. I have a feeling people will complain if they do this, then stop selling the Ps2's.

So if I was Sony, I'd have a hard time finding some way to compromise with no way to please the fans.
 

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fix-the-spade said:
hansari said:
I was under the impression they did that so people would still buy PS2's...
Perhaps, but it doesn't really make business sense when second hand PS2's are so easy to find and cheap.
But you've also got Latin America to think of, from what I remember they've just recently started selling PS2s there about a year ago I think. PS2s still profit for them, and regardless if the PS3 making a profit now, they still have to make a bigger one out of all the loses they've already made.

OT: Cheaper manufacturing costs =/= cheaper console, but I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. Sony's stuck between a rock and a hard place, they need to drop the price of the PS3 to properly compete with the others but they still need to make a profit off of them so they can safely drop the overall price. Damned if they do and damned if they don't, but Fat Princess keeps me filled...
 

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Jumplion said:
fix-the-spade said:
hansari said:
I was under the impression they did that so people would still buy PS2's...
Perhaps, but it doesn't really make business sense when second hand PS2's are so easy to find and cheap.
But you've also got Latin America to think of, from what I remember they've just recently started selling PS2s there about a year ago I think. PS2s still profit for them, and regardless if the PS3 making a profit now, they still have to make a bigger one out of all the loses they've already made.

OT: Cheaper manufacturing costs =/= cheaper console, but I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. Sony's stuck between a rock and a hard place, they need to drop the price of the PS3 to properly compete with the others but they still need to make a profit off of them so they can safely drop the overall price. Damned if they do and damned if they don't,
Yeah, not to mention they'd need to make up for the losses over the past years. Let's hope they get a bunch of new IPS to their list to attract sales.

but Fat Princess keeps me filled...
*laughs* I see what you did there.
 

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I got an 80 gig version, not backward compatible. I am glad that they have found ways to cut the costs of production, as I love Sony, and would hate to never see the Playstation 4.

I'm sooo looking forward to the PS3 Slim.