Sony May Have Been Using Outdated Security Software, Claims Expert

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Sony May Have Been Using Outdated Security Software, Claims Expert

Companies apparently don't understand the risks involved in lax online security, or even worse, decide to take their chances.

Dr. Gene Spafford, an expert in electronic security and a professor in computer science at Indiana's Purdue University, says that Sony may not only have been using outdated security software when hackers attacked PSN, but that it also knew it had a problem months before the intrusion happened.

Speaking at a Congressional hearing [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P58L1deENg] about the "The Threat of Data Theft to American Consumers" - the very same hearing that Sony declined [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109751-Sony-Declines-to-Appear-Before-U-S-Congress] to attend - Spafford said that he had seen discussions on some of the security mailing lists he read, where people who had worked on PSN had found that the servers were running old, unpatched software, without a firewall installed. He said that these people had notified Sony of the potential risk two to three months before the attack, but had seen no response, nor any update to the software. However, he made it clear that this information was just what he had seen reported and stressed that he personally didn't have any firm details on Sony's security measures.

Spafford said that companies and corporations often didn't want to invest in online security as they didn't understand the risks and costs involved in not doing so. For each compromised record, he said, a company incurred over $200 worth of costs, but added that even companies that did understand the risks involved seemed willing to play the odds. "Security is not something that returns a value," he explained. "It's not something that adds to the bottom line."

While it's true that Spafford's comments are based on hearsay rather than any provable facts, it's also true that it's hearsay that he was willing to bring up in front a Congressional hearing. That might say more about Spafford than it does about the information, but it's hard to believe that a security expert would just believe everything that he read. If what Spafford says is true, it would be mean that Sony was one of the companies that decided to play the odds. Unfortunately, Sony lost, and now we all have to deal with the fallout.

Source: The Consumerist [http://consumerist.com/2011/05/security-expert-sony-knew-its-software-was-obsolete-months-before-psn-breach.html] via CVG [http://www.computerandvideogames.com/300332/news/sony-was-using-outdated-security-and-no-firewall-for-psn-says-security-expert/?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-News-RSS]


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Cipher1

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If it is true that Sony choose to use outdated software would that mean the people who are trying to bleed money from Sony be able to claim Sony was negligent in the way it handled there personal data?
 

manythings

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Cipher1 said:
If it is true that Sony choose to use outdated software would that mean the people who are trying to bleed money from Sony be able to claim Sony was negligent in the way it handled there personal data?
"If it still works fine, there's no need to replace it." Very much the attitude with regard to expenditure in big companies.
 

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if this is true, then i want to know how to get a slice of the litigation pie. i was willign to give sonyt the benefit of the doubt on this but if its true that they had outdated software then i want some damn money
 

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As I said in another website:

This guy lost me at 'Purdue University'.
Frankly, I'm surprised it took someone this long to try and cash in on the whole mess by accusing Sony of something along these lines - whether it's real or not.

That said, kudos to The Escapist for being pretty much the only news source who pointed out what should've been obvious to any serious journo: the guy has no insider knowledge, admitted it openly and even mentioned it's all based on random forum reading.

You shouldn't be surprised that a self-titled security expert would believe everything he read on a random forum: he's working at an university. There are some areas of expertise where only the incompetent would remain attached to a university when they could do way better at the real market out there, and TI definitely is one of those.
 

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manythings said:
Cipher1 said:
If it is true that Sony choose to use outdated software would that mean the people who are trying to bleed money from Sony be able to claim Sony was negligent in the way it handled there personal data?
"If it still works fine, there's no need to replace it." Very much the attitude with regard to expenditure in big companies.
Yeah but not the attitude to chose when you factor in User's personal data and credit/debit information. Security must always be up to fucking date. The end.
 

Antari

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Sony, Sony, Sony .... Those cost cutting measures coming back to bite you? ... Awwww ... Really sorry about that, but its not like you weren't warned!
 

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Doesn't suprise me in the least.

Any business decision will weigh the cost of doing something vs the cost of not doing something. This is not really news or unique to Sony. Lets face it - people could have written their own custom dedicated OS that JUST runs the PSN and does nothing else hence is 100% secure. However the cost of this would be MASSIVE.

Banks COULD encase their vaults in 200 feet of DU for maximum security, but the costs of doing so would far outweigh the gain to security.

 

erbkaiser

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"What? You want me to spend X dollars on improving security? Denied!" - usual response from the PHBs if engineers want to do a security upgrade, and then when the shit hits the fan the engineer gets fired and the PHB assigns himself another bonus.

This is probably true, but even if Sony /was/ running an outdated Apache version it still does not justify the anonymous hackers.
 

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Logan Westbrook said:
says that Sony many not only have been using outdated security software when hackers attacked PSN
Is that meant to say "MAY not only have been" because i read that and it confused the living hell outta me.

OT: I don't understand this, you would think that a multibillion dollar ELECTRONICS company, would know that not investing in online security was a bad thing. Sounds like a bit of shit stirring this guy is doing. Unless the techs involved in investigating what happened say "yeah Sony fucked up by not doing enough" will i then believe they half arsed it.
 

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drunken_munki said:
manythings said:
Cipher1 said:
If it is true that Sony choose to use outdated software would that mean the people who are trying to bleed money from Sony be able to claim Sony was negligent in the way it handled there personal data?
"If it still works fine, there's no need to replace it." Very much the attitude with regard to expenditure in big companies.
Yeah but not the attitude to chose when you factor in User's personal data and credit/debit information. Security must always be up to fucking date. The end.
Yes and that results in a smaller bottom line. How many years did they spend with pissy security and no serious issues? Big savings. I imagine the IT and security sections have pages and pages of documents about how the systems needed desperate reform and the the big chairs said "Make do".
 

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fabiosooner said:
As I said in another website:

This guy lost me at 'Purdue University'.
Frankly, I'm surprised it took someone this long to try and cash in on the whole mess by accusing Sony of something along these lines - whether it's real or not.

That said, kudos to The Escapist for being pretty much the only news source who pointed out what should've been obvious to any serious journo: the guy has no insider knowledge, admitted it openly and even mentioned it's all based on random forum reading.

You shouldn't be surprised that a self-titled security expert would believe everything he read on a random forum: he's working at an university. There are some areas of expertise where only the incompetent would remain attached to a university when they could do way better at the real market out there, and TI definitely is one of those.

This. I also heard vaccinations give kids autism. Turned out that was horseshit to come out of a university as well.

Either Sony had some seriously outdated software, or some backdoor was left open. Hell it could have been an inside job. It doesn't matter how good your security is if some one has the keys and just gives it up.
 

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more sony shit i just wish it would die off already they fucked up we get it now move on
 

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fabiosooner said:
You shouldn't be surprised that a self-titled security expert would believe everything he read on a random forum: he's working at an university. There are some areas of expertise where only the incompetent would remain attached to a university when they could do way better at the real market out there, and TI definitely is one of those.
Maybe be a little more even-handed in your treatment of university teachers. Some of us choose to become teachers rather than "do way better at the real market," because we enjoy teaching. Now, I don't work in computers or information technology, but I can still say that it's unfair to paint university folks with such a broad brush.

Not defending this guy individually, though. I don't know him. But to act as though only the incompetent would work at a university (or to act as though all university professors do is teach) is to ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of the folks working in that field studied in a university program at some point on their way to "competence" and "the real market."
 

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I find it interesting that they had to hire security experts after the fact. I know their network is massive but they certainly should have had some white hats on staff that knew their stuff.

""As soon as we discovered the potential scope of the intrusion, we shut down the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services and hired some of the best technical experts in the field to determine what happened,""
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109812-Sony-CEO-Speaks-Out-on-PSN-Catastrophe
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
*cough* BP Oil Spill again *cough*
Not that bad, yet...Nobody at Sony has come out and said that it's not fair that they pay to clean the mess up and that their customers should do it.

Although that may only because their customers and side victims already ARE paying for it...