Sony President Says Xbox 360 Lacks "Longevity"

[Wargamer]

Right, let's see.

Firstly, his comment about the 360. It's justified. Dear god, people, are you all so young (or mentally retarded) you can't forget the last time a console tried to cling to obsolete tech? PSX - CD tech. Saturn - CD tech. N64 - cartridges. Who here, really, is shocked Nintendo 'lost' that particular console war?

The 360 is obsolete. It's DVD / HD-DVD based. Blue-Ray crushed HD-DVD. If Microsoft make another console (god forbid it!), it'll have to be Blue-Ray based, and we'll see this whole fiasco all over again, only from the other side - the Xbox Red Ring will be shunned because it's still working out how the hell you make this work, whilst every designer and his grandma will know how to work with the PS3. The alternative is that Xbox try and reinvent the wheel, and produce the NEXT big data-storage medium beyond Blue-Ray... in which case they get shot down because nobody knows how to work with it (hence why cross-platform games don't make best use of the PS3's capability).

In many ways, I respect Sony for taking a gamble on the PS3. They arguably should have taken the Microsoft route and played safe, but instead they went and tried to shake stuff up by pushing ahead. Always risky, doing that...


Now, the Wii. It's not a rival to the PS3. Sorry, it isn't. The PS3's a gaming console, the Wii's a toy. It's a bloody awesome toy, but it's still a toy. You buy it for Wii Sports and Wii Fit. You have hours of fun, and use it for years, but it's not for 'serious' gamers.

 

[Wargamer]

You know I didn't really agree with you, but after mentioning PC I see your point.

Look, I'm not saying the wii isn't competition with the PS3/360, of course it is, but that's generally speaking.

The Wii and PS3 are aiming at two different markets, but that doesn't mean that the other market wouldn't consider buying the other console.

It's a trend I've see recently, all the people that I know who have Wii's have PS3's, and the people who have 360s only have 360s. This is what I've seen though, don't quote me on that.

I tend to agree with that.

When I decided it was time to upgrade my console, the PS3 was the only choice. That's mainly because I cannot stand the 360, but partly because the Wii doesn't register as a games console. However, let's hypothetically remove the 360 and replace it with someone else's console; the choice would have been between the PS3, and the other console.

That doesn't mean I'd never buy a Wii. Far from it. I want a Wii. I borrowed / stole a friend's Wii for a long, long while and it was great. I actually used to play a few cups on Mario Kart whilst waiting for MGO updates to download (yes, it really does take that long you can play 8-12 tracks on Mario Kart).

Owning the PS3 'blocks' me from buying the rival console. The rival console (again, assuming it wasn't a 360) would 'block' me from buying the PS3. The Wii is not a part of that system; I'd own one regardless of what other console I owned. Hell, that's been a running theme since I can remember. I got a Megadrive and a SNES, a PSX and a N64, a PS2 and a Gamecube; Nintendo is always there as the 'reserve' Console. Never, however, is it the first port of call.

 

[jebussaves88]

A rather long post

Firtsly, your point on redundant hardware is a little...redundant. In many respects, the Saturn could have had a better line up of games and multimedia capabilities. I believe I'm correct in saying it had DivX capabilities. It also had two processors or something like that, and technically could have been more powerful than the Playstation, but Sega messed things up with many developers due to their surprise launch. It also didn't help they had to render quadrelaterals(sp?)
As for the N64, yes maybe cartridges were old fashioned, but the graphical capabilities of some of the games (Banjo Kazooie springs to mind) surpassed any Playstation title I'm familiar with. It is also debatable whether Nintendo "lost". I believe the N64 still had a very large following, and was profitable.
However, it was Sony who won, and rightly so, because they had a broader range of games that were more affordable than cartridges and looked better than the Saturn's hashed up games developed by developers who weren't on best terms with Sega.
However, You can hardly say the PS2 was ahead of it's competitors in terms of the technical side. The Dreamcast, depsite it's short life span, had superior online capabilities, despite the limited number of games, and was used more. The Xbox far surpassed the PS2 in graphical prowess and it's hard drive was a handy thing too, along with the superior dvd player. Even the Gamecube was technically more powerful in many ways, and even had the novelty of minidiscs, along with being possibly the more aesthetically pleasing console.
But still Sony won, despite not having the lead in terms of technology, again due to superior number of games and heavy games sales.

So my question is this:
Even if the 360 has no blu ray (It's spelt blu, not blue) and isn't technically as powerful and doesn't have all the gadgets added on (WiFi and the like), what's to stop it winning over Sony this time? Having the most powerful console on the market isn't your ticket to financial success, and neither is bithcing about the other console. Don't tell us what they haven't got, tell us what you have and why we even want it that much? Tell me why I need to see Braveheart again, but now in higher definition, even though this financial crisis has me and many people worried and therefore we don't own an HDTV to see the benefits. Tell us why that extra £100-£150 is so worthwhile, even if I could give two flying pineapples about LittleBigPlanet and user created content.

Many people forget that we as the forum dwelling knowledgeable gamers that we are are a minority. A rather small minority. Most people these days who walk into a game shop are going to see the cheapest (Xbox 360), which may not have Wireless out of the box and blu ray, but to the average lower-middle class fellow, it's a new shiny console with some cool features and that whole wall of games there. I doubt he'll ever play it online anyway. Or he might see the Wii, which whilst currently more expensive, has even more games, and that cool wavey remote thing, and Mario! Ha, I remember him. SOLD!
And then he'll pass the PS3 shelves... a little bit smaller. How much? But why? Blu Ray? I don't even know what that is.

These people outnumber us. They are why the Playstation won, they are why the PS2 won, and they are why the Wii has already won, and Sony are going to have a hard time catching up to 360. They may well do it (powerful brand after all), but they have to get their act together.

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That's mainly because I cannot stand the 360,

You know, I'd never have guessed.

 

[Wyatt]

heh funny thread, so much ....... energy from some posters about companys that couldnt give a shit about you, just your wallet.

seems to me that the trash talk is easy enough to settle, just as with sports games the proof is in the pudding, whos making the most cash off their systems?

i dont have a dog in this fight, im PC to the core so its simple for me. the point to a company is to make money, whos making the most 'wins', all else = bullshit any way you spin it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28788149/ kinda makes me smile though. seem's sony is losing cash by the bucket full, i wonder how much of that loss is consol related, heep posting numbers like that and there wont even be a Sony in 10 years, to say nothing about the PS3.

 

[jebussaves88]

Well for the 360 console itself, his statement is absolutly 100% true, in my case and all my friends who onw 360's as well, they have all had the red ring of death!

Oh my... you appear to have caught the stick by the wrong end... He means the longevity of the technology, as opposed to specific consoles. Also i know about 30 people with 360s and not a single one has had RROD

You now know 31

Make that 32 *thumbs up*

 

[Tahmoh]

33

 

[scotth266]

Whoopee, a bunch of smugness locked up thight in this speech. I mean, what the heck was this guy thinking when he said these things? The Wii isn't competition? And why is he expecting the PS3 to last 10 years? To do that, you need a lot of good games like the PS2 has. And honestly, since the 360 has been able to stay up to the PS3 in terms of graphics and far deafeats it in the number of good games for it, this guy shouldn't be saying such things.
No RROD's in my area, and a whole lotta people have them...

 

[Jumplion]

You know I didn't really agree with you, but after mentioning PC I see your point.

Look, I'm not saying the wii isn't competition with the PS3/360, of course it is, but that's generally speaking.

The Wii and PS3 are aiming at two different markets, but that doesn't mean that the other market wouldn't consider buying the other console.

It's a trend I've see recently, all the people that I know who have Wii's have PS3's, and the people who have 360s only have 360s. This is what I've seen though, don't quote me on that.

I'm not just talking PC myself either. If the Xbox 360 is updated before the PS3, it will have such higher specifications that Sony would wet itself.

Yes, I realize that, but if we keep on mentioning how "PCs will be ahead of [insert console here] by that time!" then we'd get nowhere with these arguments.

And I like these arguments ;_;

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Yup, it seems that Nintendo and Sony always make consoles that are near opposite of each other, but they compliment each other very well. It's a strange phenomenon, maybe it's because they're both Japanese? Actually, that seems feasible, considering what Kazzy said in his interview.

 

[Wargamer]

Whoopee, a bunch of smugness locked up thight in this speech. I mean, what the heck was this guy thinking when he said these things? The Wii isn't competition? And why is he expecting the PS3 to last 10 years? To do that, you need a lot of good games like the PS2 has. And honestly, since the 360 has been able to stay up to the PS3 in terms of graphics and far deafeats it in the number of good games for it, this guy shouldn't be saying such things.
No RROD's in my area, and a whole lotta people have them...

You sound like the PS3 is never getting new games...

The 360 has gone as far as it can. The PS3 is virtually untapped in terms of capability. People harp about how amazing Gears 2 is (and rightly so), but if that's as far as the 360 can be taken, then it won't be that long before the PS3 starts storming ahead.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Whoopee, a bunch of smugness locked up thight in this speech. I mean, what the heck was this guy thinking when he said these things? The Wii isn't competition? And why is he expecting the PS3 to last 10 years? To do that, you need a lot of good games like the PS2 has. And honestly, since the 360 has been able to stay up to the PS3 in terms of graphics and far deafeats it in the number of good games for it, this guy shouldn't be saying such things.
No RROD's in my area, and a whole lotta people have them...

You sound like the PS3 is never getting new games...

The 360 has gone as far as it can. The PS3 is virtually untapped in terms of capability. People harp about how amazing Gears 2 is (and rightly so), but if that's as far as the 360 can be taken, then it won't be that long before the PS3 starts storming ahead.

Do you have proof the 360 can't go further? Or are you just saying that because every PS3 fan says it?

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

360 Exclusives this year so far: Halo Wars, Ninja Blade, RACE Pro, Rocket Riot, The Maw, Zombie Wranglers

PS3 Exclusives this year so far: Active Dogs, Dark Cloud III (in Japan), Demon's Soul, God of War III, inFamous, Killzone 2, MAG


So far, yes, there are more PS3 exclusives, but the 360 is not totally lacking, and it is only the beginning of the year.

 

[51gunner]

I don't know why people are getting worked up over this. Summarizing: "We have a ten year projected life cycle for the console. Our competition has a five-year projected life cycle. Ours is longer than theirs. We call this longevity."

Earns big shrug of 'meh' from me, all he told us is that we'll see less new hardware from Sony. It's, like, the opposite of what I'd be interested in.

 

[Neosage]

I like this way he practically admits that the ps3's launch was a failure and tries to make excuses.

 

[Neosage]

Whoopee, a bunch of smugness locked up thight in this speech. I mean, what the heck was this guy thinking when he said these things? The Wii isn't competition? And why is he expecting the PS3 to last 10 years? To do that, you need a lot of good games like the PS2 has. And honestly, since the 360 has been able to stay up to the PS3 in terms of graphics and far deafeats it in the number of good games for it, this guy shouldn't be saying such things.
No RROD's in my area, and a whole lotta people have them...

You sound like the PS3 is never getting new games...

The 360 has gone as far as it can. The PS3 is virtually untapped in terms of capability. People harp about how amazing Gears 2 is (and rightly so), but if that's as far as the 360 can be taken, then it won't be that long before the PS3 starts storming ahead.

By the time the ps3 starts storming ahead, it will be old tek.

 

[Woe Is You]

Yup, it seems that Nintendo and Sony always make consoles that are near opposite of each other, but they compliment each other very well. It's a strange phenomenon, maybe it's because they're both Japanese? Actually, that seems feasible, considering what Kazzy said in his interview.

I fail to see how the Gamecube and the PS2 were "near the opposite of each other". Fact of the matter is that if you already own a machine to game on, you probably won't be buying any new ones until you're really fanatic about it. And the Wii's enough for a lot of people. Us who do buy multiple consoles and for their exclusives and post about them on messageboards are very much the exception, not the rule.

This sort of shitslinging is just sad and it doesn't really matter which side it is that's doing it (which side started it matters even less).

Going off tangent about games, I'm actually pretty sure that Japanese game developers will be migrating to the Wii around this year (Monster Hunter? Dragon Quest?). It has the potential to eclipse the PS2 in sales, it's the cheapest console to develop for and even if Nintendo sucks at some pretty major features (like online functionality), they are things that the Japanese usually don't care about. The PS3 and the 360 will probably be more or less western dominated games platforms by the end of the generation.