Sony Reveals PS3 Slim, Drops PS3 Prices to $299
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Really you don't want to play PS2 games on a PS3, that is assuming you have an HDTV.not a zaar said:
On my TV most PS2 games don't take up the whole screen when played on a PS3.
Really? So Sony should leave the PS3 at it's current price of approximately $600 instead of lowering the price to get more customers in, and then getting backwards compatibility?Cid SilverWing said:
If you aren't on PSN by the end of the year I'm going to hunt you down. I need friends...dalek sec said:
Really? You sure about that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games]?joshthor said:
(I do realize some of those have yet to be released but that is besides the point)
[small]Sorry about the massive quote post.[/small]
I do not consider this graphic heavy and mechanic light generation to be worth more than 200 a unit and 30 a game.Onmi said:
I had a 360 till it failed and I got rid of it first chance I got in its 2nd year, I focused on my PC and rented a PS3 from a friend for almost a year, borrowed a WII for a year as well.
The 360 is decent but has a fail rate of nearly half, that and I am not to fond of the way they shoe horned HDMI in without really fixing anything..... The PS3 is about the same IE decent its main trouble is its architecture that is a thorn in the side of industry programing because they are not able to fully optimize it the games can have issues. But mainly the price and slow sales has made it 2ndary to the 360 from a publisher standpoint altho that issue like most of the PS3's time based issues is fading...but still the PS3 hardware could have had more ramm in it to handle all the crap that new extra shiny games need.
My only complaint about the WII is precision, they did not make it for gamers thus at best its a hit/miss on games targeted to gamers. IMO its shovleware issues is a non issue as I see COD,Halo,Res,GOW,Gear and every other A-AAA title shovelware for gamers.
I like the price drop but other than that's it fucken retarded.
Its the same thing but smaller? Big deal
Its the same thing but smaller? Big deal
Seriously? You seriously fucking think I'd lie about being damn near unable to play Odin Sphere on a PS2 slim because the fight with the Netherworld queen was such a laughably bad case of slowdown that I officially dubbed her "lag *****"? The only reason I could get past her was because I transferred the save file to my PS3, which has fixed the horrible lag and therefore could actually fight her rather than sit and wait while Gwendolyn refuses to respond to my commands.HyenaThePirate said:
Maybe it's because I don't need a pretty HDTV to enjoy games that work perfectly fine in 480i anyway (exceptions exist of course; damn you and your tiny text Capcom), but I never noticed a visual difference (aside from slowdown cases), and the one time I played on someone else's HDTV, the smoothing option does help pretty some games up slightly (the same way the PS2 can pretty up a PS1 game with smoothing). As I said, I have the 80 GB software rendering model, so it's not the lack of the Emotion chip that's the problem.
Also, I never said all PS2 games work perfectly. Guilty Gear XX for example absolutely refuses to run on my PS3, no matter what version. That's why I still have my PS2, which for the record doesn't run every PS1 game perfectly. I recall hearing issues with Rockman Legends in particular.
For the last fucking time, I never said sell your PS2. Why sell one of the single most successful consoles of all time? So you could play the same games using a hard drive, certain compatibility issues (Guilty Gear), and have wireless controllers with squishy L2 and R2 buttons? If you do that, you are a fool. All I did was call out the idiot who claimed the only reason he wanted the PS3 was for backward compatibility. (90% of the value? A PS2 costs about 40% of the price of a PS3 at most. How the hell can it possibly be 90% of the value?), and you apparently drummed up this idea in my head that because I mentioned that my PS3 works fine for backward compatibility (and as such was the model I recommended to him), I must just be a delusional fanboy with rose-tinted glasses when in reality I spend quite a bit of my gaming time with other systems. Only reason I'm not right now is because Disgaea is sucking away my life.
By the way, I love your insinuation that I am a Sony fanboy. That's precisely why for nearly the entire time I was on this forum Xbox-less, I still took the time to explain why I liked Halo 3. That's why my desktop background is a screenshot from a session of Halo I played with a friend yesterday.
P.S. If you really want me to get into the whole "fanboy" argument, I can start right with your avatar and declare you a furry outright. I don't think you want to go there. I certainly don't, but this is your fair warning. Otherwise, I am finished with this conversation.
RE: Why it would be really nice to have PS3 BC for disc-based PS2 games, and how it is not necessarily 100% people looking for things to complain about
I currently have a Tivo, a PS3, a 360, an XBOX, a PS2, and a Wii hooked up to my entertainment setup. Unfortunately for me, I bought my receiver about one generation too early, and it only supports 1080i passthrough of video signals (and only accepts 2-channel LPCM audio) over HDMI. Additionally, it only (note: sarcasm) has 3 component video inputs, and 4 optical digital audio inputs. The TV has 2 HDMI inputs (that support 1080p, but only 2-channel LPCM passthrough) and 2 Component inputs. Because I prefer to run my video and my audio through the highest capacity A/V lines they support, that gives me 3 must-use-Component devices, and 3 could-use-HDMI-or-Component devices, 5 of which need optical digital audio, and 1 of which only needs composite audio RCA cables. If you've been following along, you'll note that I don't have enough audio inputs.
Since I don't like buying used, discontinued hardware (ex: a fully BC-launch PS3) which, were it to break, even under warranty, would not be guaranteed to be replaced with a similarly capable machine (based on what I've read in forums from users who have dealt with it, when I was originally in the market), and I still want to have the ability to play PS2 games, I've had to find alternative workarounds. Up until now, I'd simply bogarted the input for my XBOX (since it is the least used of the devices), but I've finally got a workaround. Monoprice is, as we speak, delivering a digital optical-to-coaxial converter which will allow me to take advantage of one of my to-this-point-unused 3 digital coaxial audio inputs. It will also add another wall-wart to my growing collection of power-related paraphernalia, but big deal, right?
Now... should I just buy a new receiver when the next new piece of shiny comes along? How about a second TV? Or maybe I can just hope that Sony eventually implements at-least-mostly-functional software-based BC on the PS3. I understand their cost-cutting reasons for removing the full PS2 chip, I just fear that they're going to implement DLC-based BC, and ask me to buy the games I already own again to play them on the PS3. I've resigned myself to keeping the XBOX around until I finally give up on Steel Battalion, but I cannot bring myself to give up hope for the PS3 just yet, when they've already proven that they have the technology required.
So, *yay* price cut (which doesn't affect me because I already own one, but I can see is a good thing for the market as a whole, and long-term encourages new development on the platform), and *oooo* new form factor (which doesn't affect me because I already own one), and *boo* to lack of BC, the one thing I don't have which I'd like to have, and would've actually made me sell my current one and buy a new one. Oh, and [a href=http://kotaku.com/5340337/sony-explain-why-the-ps3-slim-has-no-backwards-compatibility]**** ***[/a], you **********ing corporate ******* for your ******** statistics. Really, 80-90% of people buying a PS3 today are doing so for PS3 games? And not because of a feature that isn't even on the table? No ****. Colour me dumbstruck^.
^dumbstruck - adj. "to be hit with something which is unfathomably idiotic, thus removing the ability to verbally respond due to awe, wonder, confusion, etc."
I currently have a Tivo, a PS3, a 360, an XBOX, a PS2, and a Wii hooked up to my entertainment setup. Unfortunately for me, I bought my receiver about one generation too early, and it only supports 1080i passthrough of video signals (and only accepts 2-channel LPCM audio) over HDMI. Additionally, it only (note: sarcasm) has 3 component video inputs, and 4 optical digital audio inputs. The TV has 2 HDMI inputs (that support 1080p, but only 2-channel LPCM passthrough) and 2 Component inputs. Because I prefer to run my video and my audio through the highest capacity A/V lines they support, that gives me 3 must-use-Component devices, and 3 could-use-HDMI-or-Component devices, 5 of which need optical digital audio, and 1 of which only needs composite audio RCA cables. If you've been following along, you'll note that I don't have enough audio inputs.
Since I don't like buying used, discontinued hardware (ex: a fully BC-launch PS3) which, were it to break, even under warranty, would not be guaranteed to be replaced with a similarly capable machine (based on what I've read in forums from users who have dealt with it, when I was originally in the market), and I still want to have the ability to play PS2 games, I've had to find alternative workarounds. Up until now, I'd simply bogarted the input for my XBOX (since it is the least used of the devices), but I've finally got a workaround. Monoprice is, as we speak, delivering a digital optical-to-coaxial converter which will allow me to take advantage of one of my to-this-point-unused 3 digital coaxial audio inputs. It will also add another wall-wart to my growing collection of power-related paraphernalia, but big deal, right?
Now... should I just buy a new receiver when the next new piece of shiny comes along? How about a second TV? Or maybe I can just hope that Sony eventually implements at-least-mostly-functional software-based BC on the PS3. I understand their cost-cutting reasons for removing the full PS2 chip, I just fear that they're going to implement DLC-based BC, and ask me to buy the games I already own again to play them on the PS3. I've resigned myself to keeping the XBOX around until I finally give up on Steel Battalion, but I cannot bring myself to give up hope for the PS3 just yet, when they've already proven that they have the technology required.
So, *yay* price cut (which doesn't affect me because I already own one, but I can see is a good thing for the market as a whole, and long-term encourages new development on the platform), and *oooo* new form factor (which doesn't affect me because I already own one), and *boo* to lack of BC, the one thing I don't have which I'd like to have, and would've actually made me sell my current one and buy a new one. Oh, and [a href=http://kotaku.com/5340337/sony-explain-why-the-ps3-slim-has-no-backwards-compatibility]**** ***[/a], you **********ing corporate ******* for your ******** statistics. Really, 80-90% of people buying a PS3 today are doing so for PS3 games? And not because of a feature that isn't even on the table? No ****. Colour me dumbstruck^.
^dumbstruck - adj. "to be hit with something which is unfathomably idiotic, thus removing the ability to verbally respond due to awe, wonder, confusion, etc."
The price cut is great! I'm going to go ahead and get a PS3 now, I'm just not sure yet if I want to get the older design or the new one.
I was hoping they would re-introduce backwards compatibility, but oh well. I'll just leave my PS2 plugged in. It would be really cool if they brought it back via firmware update though. I don't mind leaving the PS2 plugged in, but it would be nice to consolidate down to one machine.
Are they really going to start selling PS2 games in the PlayStation Store?
I was hoping they would re-introduce backwards compatibility, but oh well. I'll just leave my PS2 plugged in. It would be really cool if they brought it back via firmware update though. I don't mind leaving the PS2 plugged in, but it would be nice to consolidate down to one machine.
Are they really going to start selling PS2 games in the PlayStation Store?
Dear Miles,
What you said was:
A. work for Sony
or
B. are willing to make excuses for Sony because of brand loyalty which = Fanboy.
Sorry, but I call a spade a spade mate.
For example, I'm the type of guy that never sells his games or trades them. Why? Because I like to go back and play them again... good games are like good books.. every few years you can go back and play them and they are like new again. You mentioned Disgaea... I know it's available for the PSP now and such, but I still OWN the original disgaea. And every couple of years I go back and play it again. Why? Because I love it.
But if I were to do things your way, I'd have to go dig out my PS2 every time I wanted to do that. No thanks. The PS2 is old-hat my friend and I'm all about improving my technology. I'm not going to keep a bunch of old computers around my house on the off chance I want to go relive the joy of Diablo. No, I trust that as I upgrade my computer, I can replace the old with the new and toss those ancient parts out and STILL will be able to play those old fun games without having to hook up some archaic system to do so.
So it IS important to players, and as someone who apparently appreciates many awesome PS2 games like GUilty Gear and Odin Sphere, I would think you'd completely understand why it is so important to so many people.
Just because you like an Xbox game or two doesn't absolve you from being a fanboy if you rail on and on making fanboy-like comments. But you don't have to prove anything to anyone, least of all me. You like what you like, I'm not condemning you for it. I'm just saying you shouldnt be so quick to condemn others for liking what they like.
/sarcasm
What you said was:
The reality is, it does "not". Is it passable? Sure. Maybe even your suggestion that the problem exists because users are playing on HDTV's when you are not has merit. But that is not what you stated. You said that PS2 games "look" and run "better" on bc ps3. You did not say "Some" or "many", which would lead people to assume you meant "ALL". You also state that it runs perfectly smooth on the PS3, which I can attest it does NOT. Since you made that statement as fact and truth, when it is not, that is called a "lie". Why would you lie for Sony? The only reasons to do so are that youMiles Tormani said:
A. work for Sony
or
B. are willing to make excuses for Sony because of brand loyalty which = Fanboy.
Sorry, but I call a spade a spade mate.
And yet you never said they did not. You either purposely neglected to clarify that or you were so busy ranting that you were oblivious to it, or simply you refuse to acknowledge that the playstation 3 has flaws that might be legitimate concerns to people trying to decide if they wish to purchase one or not. I'm not entirely certain which it was.Miles Tormani said:
That would be relevant if we were talking about PSX backwards compatibility, but we were not or if we were talking about buying PS2 systems, which we are also not. What we are talking about is purchasing a system that should be rendering it's older counterpart obsolete and instead in the infinite wisdom of Sony has decided to place itself in direct COMPETITION with its older brother. The Playstation one and it's games are old enough that in all honesty most people could care less about the PS3's ability to play those games which would look awful by today's standards no matter how well the backwards compatibility worked. What people are concerned with is that the games they own and play on their PS2 systems which are still going strong, even moreso than the PS3, and why they should be arsed to part with $300 bucks in order to buy the newer system when the OLDER system is still kicking ass and taking names, has a relevant modern library of games that are in some ways BETTER than anything currently on the PS3 especially in the RPG arena, and whether or not it's worth the trouble.Miles Tormani said:
Because some people (surprise) don't want to have the most advanced console of all time sitting next to the "single most successful console of all time" of the LAST generation. These days less is more, waste is space, bro. Why have a dozen components stacked like some sort of trophy case on my entertainment system, taking up space and having to buy hubs and god knows what else in order to connect all of these things to my entertainment system? If I can eliminate a spot on the shelf, then by all means I'd rather do that. If a PS3 can do what my PS2 can do then I no longer need to have my PS2 sitting up there collecting dust. Just as I stated... if I have a PS3, why should I also have a dvd player and a Blu-ray Stand alone player if ONE SYSTEM can perform the function of 3?! It's like those multi printer/fax/copiers/scanners. I'd rather have one do-it-all machine than ten 'cheaper' machines sitting around with various degrees of quality.Miles Tormani said:
You'd be surprised how important BC is to some gamers.Miles Tormani said:
For example, I'm the type of guy that never sells his games or trades them. Why? Because I like to go back and play them again... good games are like good books.. every few years you can go back and play them and they are like new again. You mentioned Disgaea... I know it's available for the PSP now and such, but I still OWN the original disgaea. And every couple of years I go back and play it again. Why? Because I love it.
But if I were to do things your way, I'd have to go dig out my PS2 every time I wanted to do that. No thanks. The PS2 is old-hat my friend and I'm all about improving my technology. I'm not going to keep a bunch of old computers around my house on the off chance I want to go relive the joy of Diablo. No, I trust that as I upgrade my computer, I can replace the old with the new and toss those ancient parts out and STILL will be able to play those old fun games without having to hook up some archaic system to do so.
So it IS important to players, and as someone who apparently appreciates many awesome PS2 games like GUilty Gear and Odin Sphere, I would think you'd completely understand why it is so important to so many people.
Instant defensiveness is often a sign of guilt. So is denial.Miles Tormani said:
Just because you like an Xbox game or two doesn't absolve you from being a fanboy if you rail on and on making fanboy-like comments. But you don't have to prove anything to anyone, least of all me. You like what you like, I'm not condemning you for it. I'm just saying you shouldnt be so quick to condemn others for liking what they like.
Oh noes! Please, don't attack me because of my avatar! EVERYBODY knows that an avatar is a direct representative of the person with whom you are talking! My avatar is a Sonic the Hedgehog with a friggin Pirate Eye patch... I MUST be a Furry! Yes, you can instantly ascertain from my chosen avatar on a gaming forum that I MUST love dressing up in fur and rubbing myself on the furniture! Woe is me, I am outted! Let me flee in shame.Miles Tormani said:
/sarcasm
I was just thinking, hopefully they'll release a nice little package with Batman: Arkham Asylum or something and won't just start with a barebone Slim package.
I have a classic PS1,2&3 and tbh when I want to play a game I play it n the console it was made for as I have all my old consoles connected to the TV in my bedroom and my ewer ones to my HDTV and whats with the need for BC? BTW No way am I getting the slim just not s in your face as the PS3 and I liked that shiny chromeness.
I'm curious about two things. Will they bring back backwards compatibility(I doubt it and that's unfortunate[for them that is]) and will it still be easy to replace the hard drive? Seriously the max end of 500G vs 120G could be a bit of an edge especially since a 500G hard drive is cheaper than the 360's 120G. Oh well maybe now I can get my friend to buy a PS3(even sans Backwards compatibility) once he has the money.