I figured it out during his first meeting with Batman, the dialogue was pretty much a dead give away that it was *gasp* Jason Todd.
When did you guys figure out who he was?
When did you guys figure out who he was?
Spoiler thread: How many of you figured out who Arkham Knight was before he revealed himself?
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If you don't figure it out early they kind of hit you over the head with it once you start having the hallucinations in the studio about his death, it really kind of becomes obvious to even non-comics fans at that point, even the ones who have no idea who Jason Todd or the Red Hood are.
It wasn't exactly a huge secret since it's pretty obvious the character is someone from the setting so it likely wasn't just an original character no one had ever seen before, I never really thought much about it until I saw the commercial advertising the Red Hood pre-order bonus, considering that Jason Todd had never really been in the Arkham games it was odd to see him now all of a sudden. At that point it pretty much became obvious that the Arkham Knight would either be him or an original character, and his whiny speeches about knowing all Batman's moves pretty much sealed the deal.
It wasn't exactly a huge secret since it's pretty obvious the character is someone from the setting so it likely wasn't just an original character no one had ever seen before, I never really thought much about it until I saw the commercial advertising the Red Hood pre-order bonus, considering that Jason Todd had never really been in the Arkham games it was odd to see him now all of a sudden. At that point it pretty much became obvious that the Arkham Knight would either be him or an original character, and his whiny speeches about knowing all Batman's moves pretty much sealed the deal.
Wait, isn't the Arkham Knight like a thing in the comics? As if after he's the Red Hood, Todd becomes the Arkham Knight?
Isn't it kinda' like being surprised Bruce Wayne is Batman? I didn't even think it was a secret to be spoiled!
Like Game of Throne spoilers! It's been codified for years now!
Isn't it kinda' like being surprised Bruce Wayne is Batman? I didn't even think it was a secret to be spoiled!
Like Game of Throne spoilers! It's been codified for years now!
Nah, comics went "killed by Joker, took a dip in Lazarus Pit, became Red Hood". Unless Snyder(?) pulls that idea.
Topic at hand, after looking at his modus operandi and it being dead ringer for Red Hood.Though it was way too obvious, which Rocksteady realized and just lied about to patch it up.
Topic at hand, after looking at his modus operandi and it being dead ringer for Red Hood.Though it was way too obvious, which Rocksteady realized and just lied about to patch it up.
Nah, Arkham Knight is a game-only character, never shows up in the comics. Todd just sorta appears as the Red Hood one day more or less, so that's the same. I didn't really pay attention to it until it came out honestly and just thought it was a reference to Batman or something though. Was sorta more excited that Azrael was in this one honestly.Silentpony said:
But yeah, it's not much of a secret. Heck, the first time you see him in the game, he basically recites his introduction in the comics as well as his first meeting with Bats in Under the Red Hood.
The minute the game was called Arkham Knight and he was revealed to have a past with Batman and wanted to destroy all he stood for with his own brand of vigilante justice I knew immediately it was Todd.
I wasn't surprised at all with the reveal when out happened, but I'm not sure I can pinpoint where I started to put the pieces together. Probably around the third or fourth bat-trip when joker shoots Jason after along who Bats is. Around then is probably when I started thinking "well its a video game, so there HAS to be a reason I'm seeing these specific flashbacks." I'm not a Batman fan though by any means, so I didnt really care that the "new villain" in this game wasn't actually new like I heard some people were .
I did see catch a twitch stream at the right time though to see someone flip out, immediately quit, then uninstall the game the second Arkham Knight showed his face. That was funny to see.
I did see catch a twitch stream at the right time though to see someone flip out, immediately quit, then uninstall the game the second Arkham Knight showed his face. That was funny to see.
Early on, I had 3 suspects - Jason Todd, Henry Adams & the unrevealed fourth Joker. So naturally that list was narrowed down to one after the Panessa Studios section, which put further emphasis on Todd and drew a massive line under the other two.
In hindsight, it's pretty obvious. His taunts toward Batman had a clear "fuck you dad" vibe to them, so who else but a spurned Robin? I imagine the Jason Todd flashbacks would have convinced anyone who wasn't already familiar with the comics.
In hindsight, it's pretty obvious. His taunts toward Batman had a clear "fuck you dad" vibe to them, so who else but a spurned Robin? I imagine the Jason Todd flashbacks would have convinced anyone who wasn't already familiar with the comics.
Yeah, that whole whiney emo teen vibe and tone really was jarring ar first. Not being a comic person and having little to no comic knowledge, I was all ready for some booming, oppressive voice for this villian. But no, just angst and whines while you take down his guys. I was disappointed quite a bit at first, but upon knowing who he is, the explanation just calms everything to mild disappointment.Kingjackl said:
It's telegraphed to hell and back, but it's also really disappointing.
It makes the most thematic sense since, for gameplay reasons, Batman is always pushing away his associates and allies, having something between him and them ("Go home Robin, I'm horribly poisoned and dying but want to leave the entire outcome of Strange's plan up to me").
With that in mind, and that the series is themed around relationships (most importantly Batman and Joker) it makes the most logical sense that Batman's failure is actually realised in the third game. It's something both Strange and Scarecrow repeatedly say, they want their plans to be 'monuments to Batman's failure', the only main villain who doesn't is Joker because he actually DID create Batman's greatest failure in Jason.
Biggest problem with this? They don't mention it at all in the early games.
If Asylum had Joker occasionally make references to Jason or Strange mention it to try and screw with Batman then Arkham Knight would have been the big payoff.
Kindof a shame really.
It makes the most thematic sense since, for gameplay reasons, Batman is always pushing away his associates and allies, having something between him and them ("Go home Robin, I'm horribly poisoned and dying but want to leave the entire outcome of Strange's plan up to me").
With that in mind, and that the series is themed around relationships (most importantly Batman and Joker) it makes the most logical sense that Batman's failure is actually realised in the third game. It's something both Strange and Scarecrow repeatedly say, they want their plans to be 'monuments to Batman's failure', the only main villain who doesn't is Joker because he actually DID create Batman's greatest failure in Jason.
Biggest problem with this? They don't mention it at all in the early games.
If Asylum had Joker occasionally make references to Jason or Strange mention it to try and screw with Batman then Arkham Knight would have been the big payoff.
Kindof a shame really.
Is it bad that I didn't know the "Arkham Knight" was even a character and guessed Jason Todd from the title alone?
Maybe I've been exposed to too many comics. Then again, I guessed the Bruce willis was dead based on the trailer for Sixth Sense and some one saying "it's the last thing you'd expect to happen".
Maybe I've been exposed to too many comics. Then again, I guessed the Bruce willis was dead based on the trailer for Sixth Sense and some one saying "it's the last thing you'd expect to happen".
Yeah, like this. Seriously.Diablo2000 said:
I was reminded so much of JJ Abrams and Into Darkness.
Abrams: the villain will be a classic villain, but totally not Khan.
fans: It's Khan, isn't it.
Abrams: here's a list of bad guys. Khan isn't on the list.
Fans: Must be Khan.
Abrams: look, Benedict Cumberbatch is in the movie! And he's totally not Khan!
Fans: they'll reveal he's Khan about 30 minutes in.
To be fair, there were a couple other people folks suspected in this one, but generally speaking, it was the "not Khan" of the Arkham franchise.
Not really, it means you have a functional knowledge of the Batman mythos.altnameJag said:
It's always Jason Todd, his place in the universe is to be the one who turns against Batman, it'll never be Dick or Wayne, only Jason may be the enemy with the hidden identity that will shock Batman.
I'm disappointed Batman didn't just shake his head and express disappointment at it being Jason again, kid should've learned by now.
Yeah, gotta say if they were intending for it to be some big twist reveal there at the end then they kinda botched it up. Anyone that played the Red Hood "missions" before the actual game would likely know right away considering that the mask he wears under his red hood is the exact same mask as the one the Arkham Knight wears, just without the pointy ears. Then of course there's all the "flash-backs" in the movie studios that kinda give away the ghost as well. So yeah, it's really not all that difficult to figure out who it is before the end when it's officially revealed.
I kind of find it a shame that the Arkham Knight was suppose to be an "original" character in the ingame universe like Harley first appear in Batman: TAS. Turns out it's just Jason Todd but reskin and he competely drop that persona to be the usual Red Hood.
This. I don't really care about the Arkham games, but I was kind of interested by the selling point of Arkham Knight using a completely NEW villain.Scarim Coral said:
I guess they ran out of ideas after 3 games featuring the Joker.
First line the Arkham Knight gave, for me, narrowed it down to two possibilities; Jason Todd, or a heavily modified Damien Wayne.
Given in the comics Damien was a test tube baby, it occurred to me that the Knight might be an age-accelerated one, who was seeking vengeance on Batman due to the death of his mother in Arkham City. Honestly, for the early portion (by which I mean the first five sodding minutes, unfortunately) it even FIT. As an heir to Talia's little empire he'd doubtless have significant resources, he would be a trained member of the League (albeit in this version possessing s'more modern weaponry,) and of course he'd be a young punk. I honestly PREFERRED this option, as a heavily modified Damien Wayne would at least be a bit more like an original character (not a little kid, not training to be Robin, etc, etc, etc,) than Jason Todd's heel turn. Hell, Talia's attachment to the Dark Knight would at least have some indirect knowledge of how Batman operates.
That hope withered ten minutes later when it was revealed through henchmen dialogue that all of the money and resources from the Knight's operation had been pooled together by the other villains for the whole 'get Batman' plan, so the League of Assassins probably wasn't involved.
And then the Knight kept babbling about how much he KNEW Batman's tactics, in a very personal fashion, and at one point talks about the kidnapped Barbara Gordon like 'Do you even care? She WORKED for you.' and I was like 'Wow, THAT'S incredibly unsubtle.'
Finally the flashbacks to Jason's involvement happened and I was like 'Yup. Preeeeetty much cinches it.' The subtext just sort of screamed 'HEY BATMAN, REMEMBER THAT EXPERTLY TRAINED GUY YOU USED TO KNOW?! YEAH, GUY WHO GOT TOTALLY KILLED AND MENTALLY BROKEN TO HATE YOU? YEAH, DAMN SHAME HE'S DEAD AND NOT ALIVE, ALL THAT SUPER SPECIALIZED TRAINING GONE TO WASTE BECAUSE HE'S SO TOTALLY DEAD.'
Really disappointed by it, because I found City's Fake Joker thing involving Clayface was fantastically distracting, the sort of thing that could keep you guessing right up until the end, and yet going back to play again helps you catch all these little hints that gave it away. This 'twist' was not EVEN a twist. What would have been clever was using all the above stuff as a red herring to get us convinced it was Jason, (because, let's face it, we ALL probably figured it was Jason,) while sneaking in clues to the Knight's true identity. Buuuut nope, they just... went and made it Todd. Okay then.
Given in the comics Damien was a test tube baby, it occurred to me that the Knight might be an age-accelerated one, who was seeking vengeance on Batman due to the death of his mother in Arkham City. Honestly, for the early portion (by which I mean the first five sodding minutes, unfortunately) it even FIT. As an heir to Talia's little empire he'd doubtless have significant resources, he would be a trained member of the League (albeit in this version possessing s'more modern weaponry,) and of course he'd be a young punk. I honestly PREFERRED this option, as a heavily modified Damien Wayne would at least be a bit more like an original character (not a little kid, not training to be Robin, etc, etc, etc,) than Jason Todd's heel turn. Hell, Talia's attachment to the Dark Knight would at least have some indirect knowledge of how Batman operates.
That hope withered ten minutes later when it was revealed through henchmen dialogue that all of the money and resources from the Knight's operation had been pooled together by the other villains for the whole 'get Batman' plan, so the League of Assassins probably wasn't involved.
And then the Knight kept babbling about how much he KNEW Batman's tactics, in a very personal fashion, and at one point talks about the kidnapped Barbara Gordon like 'Do you even care? She WORKED for you.' and I was like 'Wow, THAT'S incredibly unsubtle.'
Finally the flashbacks to Jason's involvement happened and I was like 'Yup. Preeeeetty much cinches it.' The subtext just sort of screamed 'HEY BATMAN, REMEMBER THAT EXPERTLY TRAINED GUY YOU USED TO KNOW?! YEAH, GUY WHO GOT TOTALLY KILLED AND MENTALLY BROKEN TO HATE YOU? YEAH, DAMN SHAME HE'S DEAD AND NOT ALIVE, ALL THAT SUPER SPECIALIZED TRAINING GONE TO WASTE BECAUSE HE'S SO TOTALLY DEAD.'
Really disappointed by it, because I found City's Fake Joker thing involving Clayface was fantastically distracting, the sort of thing that could keep you guessing right up until the end, and yet going back to play again helps you catch all these little hints that gave it away. This 'twist' was not EVEN a twist. What would have been clever was using all the above stuff as a red herring to get us convinced it was Jason, (because, let's face it, we ALL probably figured it was Jason,) while sneaking in clues to the Knight's true identity. Buuuut nope, they just... went and made it Todd. Okay then.