Spore and the debate on evolution
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*sigh* i suppose it would be are generation that complains about everything aka "Spore teaches the theory of evolution their for i am offended" i mean hell im pretty sure when Mario came out for the Nintendo 64 Italians weren't screaming RACIEST!....canole......thats a spicy meat ah ballah sry im getting carried away
Well, think about it like this:
IF, Will Wright was some one trying to get us to believe in religion X and that theorems 1, 2 and 3 are (W)right (I'm sorry, I'm so, so sorry..) by sneaking them into games to subliminally think his way, it didn't really work did it? I mean we are talking about it on a public forum
So really, I believe that he was trying to, oh I don't know, make a game? For our enjoyment?
(Not to mention stacks of cash for him)
Can't for once we take something at face value, and not try to undermine this game for what it might have been subliminally-trying-to-say-even-thought-he-said-publicly-it-didn't?
It will truly be an awesome (Awe inspiring, not slang) game though, no doubt...
IF, Will Wright was some one trying to get us to believe in religion X and that theorems 1, 2 and 3 are (W)right (I'm sorry, I'm so, so sorry..) by sneaking them into games to subliminally think his way, it didn't really work did it? I mean we are talking about it on a public forum
So really, I believe that he was trying to, oh I don't know, make a game? For our enjoyment?
(Not to mention stacks of cash for him)
Can't for once we take something at face value, and not try to undermine this game for what it might have been subliminally-trying-to-say-even-thought-he-said-publicly-it-didn't?
It will truly be an awesome (Awe inspiring, not slang) game though, no doubt...
Speaking as a Christian - I'm very excited to play Spore, and I think it has some awesome gameplay elements thrown in. I also liked Black & White, and an old game called EVO for the Super Nintendo (which was pratically dripping with evolutionary theory). I even knew a Baptist preacher that loved to play Diablo.
The problem is when "religious" people start blabbing about something being the "downfall of civilization" without even having a clue what they're arguing about. Like the devil himself is inside of these games. Some of them are even freaked out by Disney movies and the subject of magic. There has to be some common sense somewhere - but this is why Christians (IMO) are viewed as nutjobs, because they're more than happy to tell you how you're "going to hell" in their opinion.
These games are a source of entertainment, even though some of them have a message behind them (if I have to listen to any more Kojima to enjoy his games, I'm going to pull my hair out). If you're looking to them to believe in something, you're really looking in the wrong place.
The problem is when "religious" people start blabbing about something being the "downfall of civilization" without even having a clue what they're arguing about. Like the devil himself is inside of these games. Some of them are even freaked out by Disney movies and the subject of magic. There has to be some common sense somewhere - but this is why Christians (IMO) are viewed as nutjobs, because they're more than happy to tell you how you're "going to hell" in their opinion.
These games are a source of entertainment, even though some of them have a message behind them (if I have to listen to any more Kojima to enjoy his games, I'm going to pull my hair out). If you're looking to them to believe in something, you're really looking in the wrong place.
Spore happens to be more similar to creationism than to evolution, but I it doesn't try to make a political point, it just fits the gameplay better.
And it is really funny how ignorant some people on this forums are. For your information: Biologically humans ARE apes as humans and apes both belong to the same family within the order of primates. And we did NOT evolve from the nonhuman apes that exist today but from common ancestors, that are now extinct.
And it is really funny how ignorant some people on this forums are. For your information: Biologically humans ARE apes as humans and apes both belong to the same family within the order of primates. And we did NOT evolve from the nonhuman apes that exist today but from common ancestors, that are now extinct.
Why do I get the feeling I would rather have them read the works of those men than play Bioshock?TheBluesader post=9.70435.693432 said:
I'm an atheist and I'm not offended by this. No one in their right mind should be offended by this. Creationists: IT HAS EVOLUTION. Deal with it *****, its and game and a theory accepted by the vast majority of scientists i.e. the people actually smart enough to make an informed decision. Atheists: THERES RELIGION ALL THROUGHOUT THE CIV STAGE WITH NO SIGN OF ATHEISTS! Deal with it *****, its a game and you play as god! You are god! If those motherfuckers DIDN'T worship me I'd stick their noses just above their asses
You got it backwards.Liatach post=9.70435.694007 said:
Creationism is based upon science, reason and tons of evidence.
Evolution is based on the blind acceptance of superstitions and fairy tales.
(Oh come on, people, don't you read Fundies Say The Darndest Things? [http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/top100.aspx?archive=1])
Creationist theory is undeniably biased.However there is no use arguing about it as both parties believe they are right and no matter how hard they try will not be able to change each others minds.
Let me ask two questions though:
1. Why cant there be both evolution and a higher being?
2. Why would a scientist who researches evolution lie? If the evidence they found indicated that evolution was incorrect and creation right why would they lie and thus anger the god they have found proof of?
As a university science student with an open mind I have seen much evidence that supports evolution, Im undecided on the existance of a god, but am not set against it.
Let me ask two questions though:
1. Why cant there be both evolution and a higher being?
2. Why would a scientist who researches evolution lie? If the evidence they found indicated that evolution was incorrect and creation right why would they lie and thus anger the god they have found proof of?
As a university science student with an open mind I have seen much evidence that supports evolution, Im undecided on the existance of a god, but am not set against it.
Actually, as a Christian, Spore falls right in line with the majority of modern Christians' beliefs. The Expanded Gap theory is based on the seven days of creation, where a day to God may very well be a few million years. Let there be light is the Big Bang (or if that theory breaks down, whatever force shaped the universe), et cetera. Evolution exists, as driven by God.
Really, it's a matter of those who are offended (young earth creationists, mostly) that you would hear from, because people don't get all worked up and take to the streets yelling "I agree with that!"
Really, it's a matter of those who are offended (young earth creationists, mostly) that you would hear from, because people don't get all worked up and take to the streets yelling "I agree with that!"
Im not too sure what the whole issue is honestly. Okay some people have gone berserk over the sporn but the militant atheists seem to have it in their head that Darwinism...evolution is religion. No. It isnt. Its scientifically proven fact thats been observed in bacteria. They grew a load. Killed off most, observed the remaining ones, did the same over and over again and observed actual evolution in those bactera, mutated genes and such...so as Yhatzee once said 'go team retard!' (note if i offended any militant atheists or fundamnetalists in this view and i am a nasty evil heretic, please feel free to tell god to give my name to satan)
though in retrospect i suppose what i just said is void since even proof and evidence wont change the mind of X and Y parties.
though in retrospect i suppose what i just said is void since even proof and evidence wont change the mind of X and Y parties.
just like my christian dad says to me when i talk about evolution im going to turn the phrase aroundWoe Is You post=9.70435.693376 said:
"PROVE IT"
see the thing about you christians is you tell us atheists that we have no proof that we evolved. but if you ask me, Christians have no proof just the same as we have no proof, and everybody just needs to accept it
personally im looking forward to spore. looks like fun.
warning: opinionated rant below.
On the point of creationism and/or evolution, believe what ever the hell you want as long as you don't hurt others. It is your personal choice and right to decide what you want to believe in.
speaking as a uni lecturer, what really, really annoys me is when a shortsighted/spastic societies remove the right to education and choice from students (as i noticed quite alot of turmoil in some US states about delivery of creationism and evolution) If you must, provide both curriculum's for those who want it, but dont ban one or the other from education, that breads stupidity.
These youth are the same people that will one day be incharge of running countries.
I know i would rather have an educated population behind the "kill everything nuke button"
ya never know they might actually be so well educated and intelligent that they might figure out how to make everyone "want" to dismantle those things. call me crazy but that may be a good idea.
I hope that this game inspires/drives discussions like this. making people stop and ask questions can only be beneficial.
The realm for cometary on these sorts of issues for todays society has changed.
Games are becoming an ever lager forum for accessing todays young culture and discussing
issues that are important to all of us.
oh yeah and i rekon its gona be fun game to
warning: opinionated rant below.
On the point of creationism and/or evolution, believe what ever the hell you want as long as you don't hurt others. It is your personal choice and right to decide what you want to believe in.
speaking as a uni lecturer, what really, really annoys me is when a shortsighted/spastic societies remove the right to education and choice from students (as i noticed quite alot of turmoil in some US states about delivery of creationism and evolution) If you must, provide both curriculum's for those who want it, but dont ban one or the other from education, that breads stupidity.
These youth are the same people that will one day be incharge of running countries.
I know i would rather have an educated population behind the "kill everything nuke button"
ya never know they might actually be so well educated and intelligent that they might figure out how to make everyone "want" to dismantle those things. call me crazy but that may be a good idea.
I hope that this game inspires/drives discussions like this. making people stop and ask questions can only be beneficial.
The realm for cometary on these sorts of issues for todays society has changed.
Games are becoming an ever lager forum for accessing todays young culture and discussing
issues that are important to all of us.
oh yeah and i rekon its gona be fun game to