Star Wars needs a reboot. Reboot the Original Trilogy, Reboot the Prequel Story, Reboot everything.

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Gordon_4 said:
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KissingSunlight said:
The short answer is "no." The long answer is "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

If you really feel this way, OP, then you are not really a Star Wars fan. The Last Jedi actually managed to rescue the sequel trilogy from the dumpster fire that was The Force Awakens.
By retconning what was established in the Force Awakens? By clearly not having a solid vision for this new trilogy?

Heck the movie parially retcons Luke Skywalker's charcater, what have they done this guy here in the Last Jedi!?
Yes, its entirely unreasonable for a man to become closed off, bitter and full of self-loathing after
he contemplated murdering his nephew out of fear of what he might become, have that then turn into a self-fulfilling prophesy and then find that everything he's spent years of his life building has been literally burned to the ground.

Heaven forefend that piss him off.
It would piss him off, but that should not make him stop and give up, I mean why did he went through all the trouble of making maps and coordinants of where he is as if he wanted to be found in Force Awakens?
 

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:D no id doesn't but a lot of people wish MiB memory reboot was a thing.

Corporations just need to stop with recycle monetization scams. Taking comic, novel, movie and dumping it to a grinder to make it 'current year' has reached the rock bottom of washing powder ads. Unfortunately it will not stop any time soon if it continues to print money for them as it does now.
No effort, high payout baby! Wet dream of any CEO ;)
 

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I have so much ideas on my vision of Star Wars that's better than how Disney is handling them.
Somebody's creative ambitions have vastly overshot their experience and discipline. By your own admission, you haven't even seen the new movie.

Okay, dude. Let's be fair. Start from the very beginning and tell me what your reboot movie would look like. What's the plot? What are the stakes? Who are our protagonists and antagonists? Do you have a cast in mind? Do you want to direct or just write?
How I would do it? Focus more on the faction war between the Jedi/Republic and the Sith/Empire. This is Star WARS, not Star Adventures like how Ezekial keeps telling me.

Make each of the races have more deeper backstory with richer culture than what was established. We already got it right with Mandolrians and Wookies, have the other races have a more deeper culture. And personally I would cut out most of the races that are just litirally re-colored humans.

The Force would have to be set with limits on what the Force Users can and cannot do. In the old E.U. Luke and crush entire fleets with his mind.

Re-imagine the Jedi, how I would do it is this, make the Jedi Knight litirally a Knight in Space. With all the chivalry philosophy of justice and honor and valor and defending the innocent and meek alike and such, these guys are more than willing to fight in Wars when duty calls to the defense of the Republic and to the forces of evil from bringing about despair and ruin and these guys would wear Armor along with Robes. I would also introduce another class of Jedi that are more Wizard/Sage/Wisemen like and more focused on the Force and keeping peace and serenity in the Galaxy. And these Jedi would hold the Jedi Knights on a leash and temper their wrath and passions lest they fall to the Dark Side.

The Sith would reletively survive the transition except I would eliminate the whole Rule of Two thing and just have the Sith be this big and great and dangerous menace to the Republic as the Empire from SWTOR.

Have the politics in the Republic and the Empire and have it make sense of course and intreguing. This would introduce intreaguing political characters and such on both sides.

And most of all don't make the faction War between the Jedi/Republic and the Sith Empire one sided in terms of power. Both factions should be on equal footing.

And the main characters would not be a farmboy from some backwater planet but Generals and Polticians and Leaders and Soldiers and Spies.
 

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Eh, I for one think we need to let Star Wars go. I'm under absolutely no impression Disney, of all things on this planet, is about to let that happen while there's still the slightest, thinnest squirt of money to be milked from that particular cow, but I'm of the Bill Watterson school of thought - it's always better to leave the party early than to run a good thing into the ground.

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I have so much ideas on my vision of Star Wars that's better than how Disney is handling them.
Why don't you write them?

I'm not being sarcastic, by the way, I actually mean that. Obviously you can't call it Star Wars, but you're otherwise free to borrow as much as you like from it and give it your own spin, just like Lucas did with pulpy sci-fi shows like Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers - that's how these things get started... or used to, anyway.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Gordon_4 said:
Samtemdo8 said:
KissingSunlight said:
The short answer is "no." The long answer is "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

If you really feel this way, OP, then you are not really a Star Wars fan. The Last Jedi actually managed to rescue the sequel trilogy from the dumpster fire that was The Force Awakens.
By retconning what was established in the Force Awakens? By clearly not having a solid vision for this new trilogy?

Heck the movie parially retcons Luke Skywalker's charcater, what have they done this guy here in the Last Jedi!?
Yes, its entirely unreasonable for a man to become closed off, bitter and full of self-loathing after
he contemplated murdering his nephew out of fear of what he might become, have that then turn into a self-fulfilling prophesy and then find that everything he's spent years of his life building has been literally burned to the ground.

Heaven forefend that piss him off.
It would piss him off, but that should not make him stop and give up, I mean why did he went through all the trouble of making maps and coordinants of where he is as if he wanted to be found in Force Awakens?
Where did you get the idea that Luke made those maps? From what I understand the maps predate TFA. According to the novelization, the part that R2D2 had was from the Imperial archives, and the missing part is what Poe recovers at the beginning of TFA (though I don't know where the old man got it from). The map shows the location of the first Jedi Temple and according to Han in TFA everyone believes Luke left to find the first Jedi Temple after Kylo rebelled. However, i'm not sure if its explained how or why everyone assumed that Luke was searching for the temple.

Regardless, its possible that Luke's journey to find the Temple was originally meant to be some kind of pilgrimage to help him clear his mind and regain his confidence after the disaster with Kylo. Obviously that didn't happen and he decided to live out the rest of his days there.
 
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LOL, nice try.

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I am sorry but this new movie broke me from all the things I have heard from it.
Maybe go watch it first then, before you start rambling about executing order 66 on entire franchise.

Personally, i don't have opinion on TLJ yet since the RLM review isn't out i haven't seen it. But I'm going to, soon. Won't miss out on what seems to be the biggest dumpster fire since ME3 ending meltdown.
 

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LOL, nice try.

Samtemdo8 said:
I am sorry but this new movie broke me from all the things I have heard from it.
Maybe go watch it first then, before you start rambling about executing order 66 on entire franchise.

Personally, i don't have opinion on TLJ yet since the RLM review isn't out i haven't seen it. But I'm going to, soon. Won't miss out on what seems to be the biggest dumpster fire since ME3 ending meltdown.
And I thought Mass Effect 3 as a whole was good. Especially with all DLC in mind.

But anyway I have watched a good number of the reviewers explaining in great detail and with spoilers what is wrong with the moive and read the negative posts here about it.

I know the movie already, watchinhg it would be a waste of time really, but unless you really want me to see it with my own eyes and form my own opinion fine.

At least I get to see Snoke for the last time, I was excited for this character as being one of the better big bads in Star Wars history and they just killed him, now I am stuck with Kylo Ren.
 

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Get this into your head:

No movie, series, franchise, or IP property has EVER needed a reboot. Especially not Star Wars- perhaps the most iconic and timeless of the lot.

I thought TLJ was fantastic- the Best SW film since before the Prequels. And I went into it completely unspoiled by trailers or bullshit youtube opinions. Honestly why anyone would seek that garbage out before watching it themselves is beyond me.
 

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Squilookle said:
Get this into your head:

No movie, series, franchise, or IP property has EVER needed a reboot.
Not even WB/DC's current batch of movies post Batman v Superman?

And people listen to reviewers to give an overall assement of the movie and to see if its worth their time. I mean people defend Rotten Tomatoes as a measure of quality in a movie.
 

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Reboot Star Wars?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

But...no. Just no. We've already got a frankly unnecessary reboot to justify new movies, we don't need it rebooted again.

Frankly, rebooting is an exercise in laziness, a sign you've run out of ideas, messed up your IP (and can't be bothered to fix it), or just want to cash in on nostalgia. Every so often we get a reboot that revitalizes a franchise (Casino Royale, Batman Begins), or one that adds to an IP rather than nuking old continuity (e.g. Star Trek 2009), and soft reboots can work (e.g. Jurassic World), but these are the exceptions rather than the rule. Star Wars doesn't need a reboot, and IMO, never needed one in the first place.
 

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Hawki said:
Reboot Star Wars?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

But...no. Just no. We've already got a frankly unnecessary reboot to justify new movies, we don't need it rebooted again.

Frankly, rebooting is an exercise in laziness, a sign you've run out of ideas, messed up your IP (and can't be bothered to fix it), or just want to cash in on nostalgia. Every so often we get a reboot that revitalizes a franchise (Casino Royale, Batman Begins), or one that adds to an IP rather than nuking old continuity (e.g. Star Trek 2009), and soft reboots can work (e.g. Jurassic World), but these are the exceptions rather than the rule. Star Wars doesn't need a reboot, and IMO, never needed one in the first place.
So how would you fix what is now an incoherent mess of a franchise?
 

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At this point, Star Wars is an annualized franchise.
Don't expect a reboot until 5-10 years after they run it dry.

In the mean time, expect lots prequels, side stories, etc. just so that they can release a movie every year.
 

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I don't know about that. I recently watched the original trilogy and it still holds up pretty well. Also, the movies are still making tons of cash. The Last Jedi had the second largest opening in cinema history... Second to The Force Awakens. Fans wouldn't go for it, either.

On the other hand, I could get behind remakes of the prequel trilogy only this time they could make them watchable and entertaining.
 

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BeetleManiac said:
Samtemdo8 said:
And most of all don't make the faction War between the Jedi/Republic and the Sith Empire one sided in terms of power. Both factions should be on equal footing.

And the main characters would not be a farmboy from some backwater planet but Generals and Polticians and Leaders and Soldiers and Spies.
There's a lot to unpack here, but let's start here. Why this decision?
Mostly because I feel the wars would be much more interesting if both sides are on equel footing and power.

I want to see both the good guys and the bad guys at thier best when fighting each other for the fate of the Galaxy.

Imagine the Republic and the Jedi Order as shown in the prequels battles the Sith Empire as shown in the Original Trilogy, and have more Sith characters than just the Emperor and Darth Vader.

As for the characters being generals and lords and such, I am just tired of the main character being some random nobody that ends up being the greatest hero ever. I want a grizzled veteren that has a past, I want an ambitious general looking for glory, I want a conniving Dark Lord that will do everything scumbag thing he can do the bring down the republic.
 

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BeetleManiac said:
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Mostly because I feel the wars would be much more interesting if both sides are on equel footing and power.

I want to see both the good guys and the bad guys at thier best when fighting each other for the fate of the Galaxy.
The question then becomes where do you get the drama? The point of the Empire being so powerful in comparison to the Rebel Alliance was that the odds have to appear impossible to overcome.

As for the characters being generals and lords and such, I am just tired of the main character being some random nobody that ends up being the greatest hero ever. I want a grizzled veteren that has a past, I want an ambitious general looking for glory, I want a conniving Dark Lord that will do everything scumbag thing he can do the bring down the republic.
Then what are the character arcs? It's not very interesting if everyone is the same person from beginning to end.
What I did was made the backdrop, the setting, the established world and its characters. I did not write a story to go along with it yet. Infact I would like to know what kind of story you would make the set up I presented?
 

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No and your ideas sound really boring. Maybe Star Wars just isn't for you if you want it to be radically different?
Well I wish Star Wars was more like the 2003 Clone Wars series, give Star Wars to Genndy Tartakovsky:



But seriously dude, you wrote off my ideas as boring without explaining them why its boring.