Stonking Great Game Contest Now Live!
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This seems a bit...dodgy
You're asking people to create a game, which will take a long time, and then submit it where it's no longer their property
You're asking people to create a game, which will take a long time, and then submit it where it's no longer their property
Does anyone know where I can get a free version of Flash, even if it's only a trial one? As an aspiring developer myself I want to get involved, but I only have Game Maker, and not Flash, and I can't afford to buy a copy of Flash to use. Even a trial version would be good, but I can't be involved otherwise, so can anyone help?
That's what I intended to say, and the reason why I'm not even considering entering this. Escapist, what you're asking is for many people to spend hours of their own time and not even giving them a chance that they might be compensated for it. I have no problem with letting others benefit from my work, as long as I get some credit for it. And by credit, I mean something tangible. The premise of this contest is flawed. You are taking advantage of the community.UnrealCanine said:
I quite agree with Deschamps, you are takeing advantage of the community.
Your asking us to make a game specificly for the escapist, based on your criteria , and your own set limitations and for you to own everything in the game ?
With not even a CHANCE for monetary compensation.
am I getting this right?
Your asking us to make a game specificly for the escapist, based on your criteria , and your own set limitations and for you to own everything in the game ?
With not even a CHANCE for monetary compensation.
am I getting this right?
I don't think they intend for it to seem that way. I've been in indie game design for a while now and it does fall into the spirit of indie creativity (I don't think they expect the next World of Warcraft to come out of this contest). Anyway this is what happens in most professional software development and writing for that matter. As an engineer that gets paid a salary, I don't even get to put my name on anything. All the work I do for the company belongs to them. Most writers get their start by publishing works in magazines that give them barely any compensation and that story or article now belongs to that magazine and the author can never use it or the characters in it again.
It's not a new concept, and I don't think it to be very disagreeable at all.
It's not a new concept, and I don't think it to be very disagreeable at all.
Luckily I have access to Flash for free through my college, so after I actually figure out how to use it, oh, you'll see. You'll all see!
*maniacal laughter*
*maniacal laughter*
Friends,
The rules are set such that we are protected as much as you are. This is our brand and our copyright and we would like to keep it that way. If we did not add those rules, that means anyone could just make a ZP related game and we would have no protection at all.
As for the chance for "monetary compensation"...do you honestly think we would take a game that we didn't create to market? And if we did, don't you think it would be in our best interest to INCLUDE the developer? It doesn't make much business sense to leave out the person who created and grab a bunch of bad PR from the market, industry and community.
We are looking forward to seeing some awesome games that we and the community will enjoy playing.
The rules are set such that we are protected as much as you are. This is our brand and our copyright and we would like to keep it that way. If we did not add those rules, that means anyone could just make a ZP related game and we would have no protection at all.
As for the chance for "monetary compensation"...do you honestly think we would take a game that we didn't create to market? And if we did, don't you think it would be in our best interest to INCLUDE the developer? It doesn't make much business sense to leave out the person who created and grab a bunch of bad PR from the market, industry and community.
We are looking forward to seeing some awesome games that we and the community will enjoy playing.
Clarify something for meSpinwhiz said:
Am I allowed to post my name in the credits/Intro?
Am I allowed to post my game to extra sites before/after the closing date?
Why will you need the fla file for?
hmmmm....
if your going to give developers the chance of monertary compensation of some kind then you put it in the contest info, so people don't judge the contest with bad info and leave nasty comments
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but anyways, owning everything in the game, including source code, seem a wee bit exsessive, I realize you do have to protect your copyrights but a simple owning everything in the game zp-related would suffice . But this point becomes moot if you have to copyright everything to distibute the game I guess.
And I really don't see why you have to have any limitations on the games content (provided its zp related and providied it's legal) seeing how alot of the zp humor is about dick-jokes about "blow-job dispensers" and the like .
Now I may be acting on bad info here again but still it seems like your being a tad exxcessive.
@proteus :
just becuase everyone else dose it, dosen't make it right.
if your going to give developers the chance of monertary compensation of some kind then you put it in the contest info, so people don't judge the contest with bad info and leave nasty comments
.but anyways, owning everything in the game, including source code, seem a wee bit exsessive, I realize you do have to protect your copyrights but a simple owning everything in the game zp-related would suffice . But this point becomes moot if you have to copyright everything to distibute the game I guess.
And I really don't see why you have to have any limitations on the games content (provided its zp related and providied it's legal) seeing how alot of the zp humor is about dick-jokes about "blow-job dispensers" and the like .
Now I may be acting on bad info here again but still it seems like your being a tad exxcessive.
@proteus :
just becuase everyone else dose it, dosen't make it right.
Spinwhiz said it better than I could.
I would also add that if anyone here has any doubt about our integrity in protecting the rights of the content creators with whom we work, they could simply ask Yahztee. How we've approached our dealings with him is how we approach our dealings with everyone who creates content for us. He's said himself, numerous times, how pleased he's been with our treatment of him and his work, and I don't think you can get a better endorsement than that.
In addition, although we know full well what kind of work goes into creating a game, the opportunities presented to the winners of this contest are one-of-a-kind. Getting your work in front of the millions of people who watch ZP every week might very well be a life-changing experience. Our hope is that many doors will open to the talented entrants and winners of this contest, and we're working hard to make sure that happens.
Stay tuned for official announcements on this front, but I'm talking to a number of professional game developers right now about joining our panel of celebrity game judges. I can't spill any names right now, but think big. Think AAA. Think "the kind of people who might be able to help me change my life".
This is what we're offering to entrants to this contest. I assure you, we're not out to rob anyone.
-R
I would also add that if anyone here has any doubt about our integrity in protecting the rights of the content creators with whom we work, they could simply ask Yahztee. How we've approached our dealings with him is how we approach our dealings with everyone who creates content for us. He's said himself, numerous times, how pleased he's been with our treatment of him and his work, and I don't think you can get a better endorsement than that.
In addition, although we know full well what kind of work goes into creating a game, the opportunities presented to the winners of this contest are one-of-a-kind. Getting your work in front of the millions of people who watch ZP every week might very well be a life-changing experience. Our hope is that many doors will open to the talented entrants and winners of this contest, and we're working hard to make sure that happens.
Stay tuned for official announcements on this front, but I'm talking to a number of professional game developers right now about joining our panel of celebrity game judges. I can't spill any names right now, but think big. Think AAA. Think "the kind of people who might be able to help me change my life".
This is what we're offering to entrants to this contest. I assure you, we're not out to rob anyone.
-R
Would it be safe to assume that after the event we could strip all Zero Punctuation/Escapist art assets /references out, replace it with our own non-related content, re-release the game as our own copyright, and not get the pants sued off us by the Escapist/Themis Media?
Ultimately most of my source code just gets thrown away at the end of a game dev compo since it is far too hacky to be reused. Even if I did reuse source code from this project I don't think Themis Media would be too perturbed, so long as I wasn't exploiting their brand names.
Please correct me if I am wrong here Spinwhiz.
Ultimately most of my source code just gets thrown away at the end of a game dev compo since it is far too hacky to be reused. Even if I did reuse source code from this project I don't think Themis Media would be too perturbed, so long as I wasn't exploiting their brand names.
Please correct me if I am wrong here Spinwhiz.