Suicides Spur Nintendo, Sony, and Others to Investigate Foxconn

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Suicides Spur Nintendo, Sony, and Others to Investigate Foxconn

Following a wake of suicides at one of its plants, Foxconn is now subject to a series of probes by various electronics manufacturers.



It seems that Foxconn Technology Group just isn't a good place to work, no matter what your position. After <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Employee_suicides_and_deaths>several recent suicides at one of the company's facilities, the Foxconn has found itself the subject of several investigative probes by some of its biggest clients.

On Friday, Nintendo, Sony, and Nokia announced -via separate statements- that they would all be investigating Foxconn due to the reports of high numbers of suicides in recent months. Currently, Foxconn is used by Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft to assemble their various consoles; other major electronics manufacturers like Dell, Nokia, and Apple use the company for other devices. Apple, earlier last week, also announced an investigation of the company.

Critics have leveled accusations against Foxconn that include harsh working conditions, physical abuse of employees, and long hours with low pay as being some of the factors in the suicides.

According to the company's corporate parent, Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., Ltd., Foxconn has tried just about everything to reduce worker stress, including an "anger room" (where employees beat up dummies to release anger), counseling services, playing calming buddhist music at the assembly lines, and even requiring workers to sign letters saying they won't kill themselves.

<a href=http://www.dailytech.com/Chinese+Govt+Demands+Foxconn+Stop+Suicides+Says+Unions+are+the+Answer/article18557.htm>The Chinese government has even gotten involved, demanding that Foxconn fix the situation as soon as possible, going so far as to say improved labor unions would go a long way to make things better. One would think that not making workers into unpaid overtime on the assembly line, awarding promised raises, and <a href=http://www.dailytech.com/Another+Foxconn+Worker+Commits+Suicide+Video+of+Employee+Beating+Leaks/article18471.htm>not letting its security force beat up the workers might also be steps the company would want to consider.

Source: <a href=http://gamepolitics.com/2010/05/28/nintendo-nokia-and-sony-promise-foxconn-investigations>GamePolitics

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Danpascooch

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Isn't this the SAME company where the Iphone prototype got lost and the guy killed himself over it? Jesus, this company needs to be investigated.

EDIT: Read the wikipedia page, they tried to drag a reporter into the factory, when the police arrived, they told the reporter he could file a report, but they said that Foxconn has "Special Status Locally"

Over ten deaths in like 5 months, some of the accounts are ridiculous like "Drowned in the company building's pool, but was an able swimmer"

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON THERE?
 

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danpascooch said:
Isn't this the SAME company where the Iphone prototype got lost and the guy killed himself over it? Jesus, this company needs to be investigated.
why yes it is. and that is a list of large companys wanting investigations too.

like the idea of the anger room tho. could use one of them in my work.
 

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They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
 

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danpascooch said:
Isn't this the SAME company where the Iphone prototype got lost and the guy killed himself over it? Jesus, this company needs to be investigated.
They've already been investigated. Repeatedly. By all of the companies. Multiple times by Apple.

They make some superficial changes, and everything continues on, business-as-usual, as the involved companies pat themselves on the back.

Until it happens again in a few years. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 

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Jeez... yknow, sometimes i kinda take life in the states for granted, but now i feel better that im in a country where this isnt a major problem. somethings gotta be done about this.
 

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Oh snap. Foxconn made my motherboard!
I kinda feel bad for having supported them.
 

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vansau said:
Critics have leveled accusations against Foxconn that include harsh working conditions, physical abuse of employees, and long hours with low pay as being some of the factors in the suicides.
Isn't that pretty much every Chinese manufacturing plant ever?
 

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This is like the BP spill. No one really cares. They'll investigate, a couple of "managers" will be canned (which is to say, moved to a different subsidiary of the company), and things will continue on like nothing ever happened. You really think all these companies are going to do something that threatens their production costs? Judging by the fact they continue to use this company after previous instances of basically this exact thing happening, I think it's safe to say this will quietly be forgotten very soon.

I like that picture though. It's funny how for once the odd man out in the "look at our diversity" picture is a white dude.
 

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Well, they certainly got a bad history, all starting with the apple incident a year or so ago.

Suffice to say, if you think where you work is bad...then, look at this place...
 

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I call your attention here [http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/05/21/205203/Ninth-Suicide-At-iPhone-Factory].

Specifically, this comment [http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1660824&cid=32299222];
Here's a source [http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2009/snapshots/11204.html] [cnn.com]. Foxconn has 486,000 employees according to fairly reliable sources.

According to this [http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118677584137994489.html?mod=blog] [wsj.com] 2007 WSJ article, they had over 450,000 factory workers, 270,000 of which were at a single 2x1mile site.

In other words, the suicide rates for Foxconn workers is slightly below average.
Interesting...
 

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Hum... That sucks. Wtf is happening on their factories, I wonder.

Also, I feel complied to say I want an "Anger Room" too.
 

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vansau said:
...and even requiring workers to sign letters saying they won't kill themselves.
Wow, just wow. I doubt anyone has ever been weighing up suicide, when suddenly they remember they signed a letter at work saying they wouldn't, so you know, don't wanna get fired or anything.
 

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Seriously, this is more bad news, I remember the prototype lost was connected to one of the sucides there.

Also, I feel guitly for owning an Iphone, it was made by someone who was pressured and abused to make it so.
 

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They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
 

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So by "investigate" all those companies mean is that they are going to send one or two guys to China, pump out some press releases saying how shocked/dismayed they are and how they want better work conditions and then continue using this company for their cheap labor until China eventually becomes too expensive and they move on to the next cheap labor country...right?
 

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And what China mean by "fix", is cover up to look good for the investigators.
Pretty much this, there's no way they'll do anything to improve conditions over there.
 

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Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
I actually meant the part of Fight Club where they blew off steam by fighting each other. Cuz it really works...not that I would know.
 

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vansau said:
and even requiring workers to sign letters saying they won't kill themselves.
When your new employer asks you to sign a statement promising you won't commit suicide, red flags should instantly go up that maybe working there isn't the best idea. Seriously, how does that go exactly.

Employer: I'd like to welcome you to the company. new employee.
New guy: Thanks, I am glad to be here.
Employer: I just need you to read a couple of forms and sign on the dotted line.
New guy: Ok. Umm.... What is this about suicide?
Employer: Oh that is just a formality! We just want to make sure our employees don't go about offing themselves.
New guy: Is that such a big problem that you have people sign agreements before working here?
Employer: (Angrily) Are you going to ask questions all day? Just sign the damn paper maggot and get to work or so help me I'll ..(calms down).. I am sorry about that but it has been a long day so if you could just sign the papers.
New guy: I am not so sure I want to work here... (Employer grabs his neck and pulls a huge knife from his desk.)
Employer: (Calm yet serious manner) Sign the goddamn paper or else I will cut your head off and hang it above my toilet, you fucking piece of shit.
New guy: Oh God! Please just let me go! I won't tell anybody about anything!
Employer: You disappoint me, new guy. I am afraid I will have to terminate your employment here. (Slices his neck from ear to ear and presses button on the intercom) Send in the cleaners and send in the next employee afterwards. (Looks at knife) God, I love this job!
 

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Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
I actually meant the part of Fight Club where they blew off steam by fighting each other. Cuz it really works...not that I would know.
Yeah, and I followed it up. I was just heckling with the fact that the movie made something as simple as two guys beating the crap out of each other, to a terrorist bombing.
 

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Blimey said:
vansau said:
Critics have leveled accusations against Foxconn that include harsh working conditions, physical abuse of employees, and long hours with low pay as being some of the factors in the suicides.
Isn't that pretty much every Chinese manufacturing plant ever?
Aye got that right.

The majority of things we buy to make our lives comfortable is off the back of some poor bastard being paid a pittance in a forigen country.

The companies are only investigating this because its become a recognised news story. You cannot honestly believe that the biggest companies in electronics all use a place with workers snuffin themselves willy nilly and know NOTHING about it.
 

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Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
I actually meant the part of Fight Club where they blew off steam by fighting each other. Cuz it really works...not that I would know.
Yeah, and I followed it up. I was just heckling with the fact that the movie made something as simple as two guys beating the crap out of each other, to a terrorist bombing.
Ah yes, well the smallest of events can become something bigger than expected.
 

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Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
I actually meant the part of Fight Club where they blew off steam by fighting each other. Cuz it really works...not that I would know.
Yeah, and I followed it up. I was just heckling with the fact that the movie made something as simple as two guys beating the crap out of each other, to a terrorist bombing.
Ah yes, well the smallest of events can become something bigger than expected.
Indeed it can, even if the proportions can be extremely silly.
 

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The only way you fix it is to rally the employees to beat the snot out of the management. In their situation though I wouldn't do it without the Chinese Governments permission though. They shoot people who get out of line without permission...
 

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Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
I actually meant the part of Fight Club where they blew off steam by fighting each other. Cuz it really works...not that I would know.
Yeah, and I followed it up. I was just heckling with the fact that the movie made something as simple as two guys beating the crap out of each other, to a terrorist bombing.
Ah yes, well the smallest of events can become something bigger than expected.
Indeed it can, even if the proportions can be extremely silly.
You'd be surprised, a lot of major events can just start from a simple conversation. Even if its not to be expected. So nothing is silly IMO.
 

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Man all those suicides....Do you think there accepting applications I really need a job.

But really sounds like bad news. I woonder what is indeed going on.
 

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Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
I actually meant the part of Fight Club where they blew off steam by fighting each other. Cuz it really works...not that I would know.
Yeah, and I followed it up. I was just heckling with the fact that the movie made something as simple as two guys beating the crap out of each other, to a terrorist bombing.
Ah yes, well the smallest of events can become something bigger than expected.
Indeed it can, even if the proportions can be extremely silly.
You'd be surprised, a lot of major events can just start from a simple conversation. Even if its not to be expected. So nothing is silly IMO.
And thus, the effect of the butterfly.
 

Marik2

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Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
I actually meant the part of Fight Club where they blew off steam by fighting each other. Cuz it really works...not that I would know.
Yeah, and I followed it up. I was just heckling with the fact that the movie made something as simple as two guys beating the crap out of each other, to a terrorist bombing.
Ah yes, well the smallest of events can become something bigger than expected.
Indeed it can, even if the proportions can be extremely silly.
You'd be surprised, a lot of major events can just start from a simple conversation. Even if its not to be expected. So nothing is silly IMO.
And thus, the effect of the butterfly.
Ah yeah...
For instance one time I took the wrong train and the following events happened:
I was in Downtown
Then I was in a girls house
Then I was in a hotel room with people I never met.
Then there was some cops...
And I ended up back home safe and sound.

It all started by taking the wrong bus...
 

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Terrible, but I'm glad that Escapist is posting this as it is more worth bringing to our attention than greenpeace complaining about Nintendo for not telling them what chemicals they use.
 

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vansau said:
According to the company's corporate parent, Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., Ltd., Foxconn has tried just about everything to reduce worker stress, including an "anger room" (where employees beat up dummies to release anger), counseling services, playing calming buddhist music at the assembly lines, and even requiring workers to sign letters saying they won't kill themselves.
Government Agent A: If you work for these guys you must not kill yourself!
Worker: (standing on office roof) Nooooo!
Government Agent A: (to superior) He said no, what do we do?
Government Agent B: Well, I guess he means no. Can't argue with that.

(cue agents walking away whistling a happy tune while worker tops himself)

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Yeah, but seriously, this is out of hand. The company needs to be investigated properly, and if they can't deal with the problem then they should be shut down. It's as simple as that.
 

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Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
I actually meant the part of Fight Club where they blew off steam by fighting each other. Cuz it really works...not that I would know.
Yeah, and I followed it up. I was just heckling with the fact that the movie made something as simple as two guys beating the crap out of each other, to a terrorist bombing.
Ah yes, well the smallest of events can become something bigger than expected.
Indeed it can, even if the proportions can be extremely silly.
You'd be surprised, a lot of major events can just start from a simple conversation. Even if its not to be expected. So nothing is silly IMO.
And thus, the effect of the butterfly.
Ah yeah...
For instance one time I took the wrong train and the following events happened:
I was in Downtown
Then I was in a girls house
Then I was in a hotel room with people I never met.
Then there was some cops...
And I ended up back home safe and sound.

It all started by taking the wrong bus...
My don't have such big contrasts, but a lot of things would be different. The biggest change I can think of is when I got to know my now best friend. She made me grow as a person, she changed some of the most important things in my life (like my music) and she turned me away from my depression. And it all started with being randomly invited to an MSN chat by an acquaintance.
 

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Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
I actually meant the part of Fight Club where they blew off steam by fighting each other. Cuz it really works...not that I would know.
Yeah, and I followed it up. I was just heckling with the fact that the movie made something as simple as two guys beating the crap out of each other, to a terrorist bombing.
Ah yes, well the smallest of events can become something bigger than expected.
Indeed it can, even if the proportions can be extremely silly.
You'd be surprised, a lot of major events can just start from a simple conversation. Even if its not to be expected. So nothing is silly IMO.
And thus, the effect of the butterfly.
Ah yeah...
For instance one time I took the wrong train and the following events happened:
I was in Downtown
Then I was in a girls house
Then I was in a hotel room with people I never met.
Then there was some cops...
And I ended up back home safe and sound.

It all started by taking the wrong bus...
My don't have such big contrasts, but a lot of things would be different. The biggest change I can think of is when I got to know my now best friend. She made me grow as a person, she changed some of the most important things in my life (like my music) and she turned me away from my depression. And it all started with being randomly invited to an MSN chat by an acquaintance.
Yup met most of my firends just by bumping in to them by accident and what thing let to another and I still hang out with them.
 

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Holy shit...I kind of feel guilty for buying so many of their products.
Nah, I only bought a single mobo with the Foxconn label like 3 or 4 years ago and I don't use... well... I also bought a 360... and a Wii... and an iPod Touch... and 3 NDS (really, that thing breaks way too easy)...
 

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Foxconn, where work makes you free.

OK, maybe that was in poor taste, but it's still feckin' weird.
 

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Marik2 said:
Arkhangelsk said:
Marik2 said:
They just need a Fight Club. Joking aside the company really needs to clean itself up.
Yeah, then they can start a terrorist group and bomb all big gaming companies.

OT: This is quite serious. I hope they figure out what's wrong.
I actually meant the part of Fight Club where they blew off steam by fighting each other. Cuz it really works...not that I would know.
First rule! FIRST RULE!

A Chinese production plant is among the top 3 places I would not want to work.
The other two include being a crash test dummy and cashier.
 

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Huh; kinda odd how a company responsible for making 21st century technological devices is running on a 18th century work regime. And it took them this long to realize that a happy worker is a non-suicidal worker?

And the Darwin Award for Common Sense in the Workplace goes to...

In all seriousness, I do hope the investigations make a difference and right the wrongs.
 

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So by "investigate" all those companies mean is that they are going to send one or two guys to China, pump out some press releases saying how shocked/dismayed they are and how they want better work conditions and then continue using this company for their cheap labor until China eventually becomes too expensive and they move on to the next cheap labor country...right?
Exactly
 

vansau

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why are those companies even in china in the first place? oh yea, i forgot, they dont care about the people of china nor their own countries
 

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There's a conspiracy going on. There's only one thing to do, have Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, and Apple put aside their differences and take down a common foe. Or I could just keep dreaming.
 

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I think the calming Buddhist music would be the last straw for me.
 

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Letters? Seriously? What are you going to do, sue him? How about higher pay and no whips? That would be a good start.
 

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Made them sign a letter saying they won't kill themselves?
What are they going to do to them if they do kill themselves? They're dead.
 

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When China steps in and says too many people are being beaten to death, you know you have terrible working conditions. Anything to make China step in on a human rights ground is almost unheard of.
 

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"sign letters saying they won't kill themselves"? Can I get a thermonuclear level facepalm over here? Is this like the Marines, where you're not allowed to die without permission?
 

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Well, this is an interesting case overall. To be honest I think it's regular people looking at this plant, and complaining to the patent owners hiring the manufacturing (Apple, Sony, Etc...) that is forcing them to "investigate" their client-manufacturer, and due tot he big bucks involved getting the Chinese goverment to look at it (no concern over human rights, but over money).

The problem is that other than the civilian whistleblowers that got this ball rolling, and some of the public, I doubt anyone really cares. What your seeing is a dog and pony show until attention finally goes elsewhere.

See, the problem is that it's those hellish working conditions that allows China to manufacture goods cheaply, which is also why people go to them for manufacturing. I doubt any of the companies involved are even remotely concerned about anything but their bottom line.

When it comes to issues like secrecy, that's been a BIG issue in The United States for a very long time. Trade secrets, and corperate espionage, are a big deal. However unless a company actually has defense contracts and their security in some way "deputized" (various ways of doing it) or secret service on site or whatever, there are few ways for the company itself to police things in an effective manner since no system of "locks" is going to be entirely effective. Murders, disappearances, etc... over such things have been the subject of speculative fiction in the US for quite a while due to the nessecity because for all portrayals of evil corperations, if you really think about it as "private citizens" there is no legal way for them to truely protect themselves at that level.

I very much doubt that Apple was even remotely naive about what it would involved when they pressed the issue of secrecy at this plant. China's lack of human rights of course meaning that they could do things in the service of security that just wouldn't fly in the US. Few people take security seriously in the US even in a big place "rent a cops" and stuff like that, 99.9% of the time even as representitives of the property owner security has no real teeth, they manhandle an employee, customer, or guest they or their employer can be sued. In China that's less of an issue, step out of line, get beaten within an inch of your life. Violate a secure area, you get your knees broken as a lesson, or if there is any suspician you might have compromised something you probably get the honor of being the next "suicide".

The point being that especially in Apple's case, I would be very surprised if they didn't know about this, and didn't actually encourage it.

Of course to play Devil's advocate against my own case to an extent, Apple is also stupid for dealing with them to begin with because I can virtually guarantee your going to see China knocking off their stuff more and more as time goes on anyway, and doing it "officially". Of course Apple might be banking on the idea of constant innovation and the idea that protecting the secrets is worthwhile because by the time China has gotten into a position to do knock offs they will be on to something else, meaning that such things will remain a generation or so behind.

At any rate, it's all lip service for the most part I'd imagine. I also wouldn't get all uptight about dealing with this specific company to begin with, because that's pretty much what China's manufacturing is like in general. I mean, that's why it's so bloody cheap. If they actually provided serious benefits, paid overtime, didn't use thugs to keep people in line, had effective labour unions, etc... all of those things would result in more expensive workers which would lead to things being more expensive to manufacture. It's the human rights of nations like the US that causes people to seek the third world for manufacturing, all of those things we have that make a "fair and equitable working enviroment" such as fair breaks, vacation, sick leave, medical insurance (usually), the abillity to have unions, pay raises, enforced contracts, and similar things all amount to first worlders being VERY expensive to hire and maintain meaning that anything created by us is by definition less profitable.

I'll also go so far as to say that China has some concerns about how it looks to the rest of the world. It's become increasingly savvy with information control and the like, as you can see with how fast they reacted to that whole underage gymnists thing during the Beijing Olympics, and the speed of the crackdowns that took place when people complained about curfews, being herded, and kept out of the public eye and the like.

I very much doubt that their suicide rate has actually improved, simply that they have gotten better at controlling the information. I also think if anything things like this were also understated to begin with. When I look at things like SARS, which started from Chinese people being forced to live with livestock by all reports, and some of the other reports I've seen over the years, it makes no sense for China's death rate to be as low as they claim.

China might also be considered the "White Effect" capitol of the world. The White Effect being a general term for people suddenly disappearing. We've all heard stories like Roanoak, various ghost towns, individual disappearances here and there, and things like the Tungeneska event. Apparently this kind of things has happened all over the world. It's fodder for a lot of conspiricy theory stories. In China's case I remember hearing that they have more people disappear each year than anywhere else in the world, though in this case I don't think it's actually a matter of anything mysterious, as much as the fact that it's the best way to deal with murders, executions, and similar things carried out by the goverment or "people that matter" like major employers dealing with troublesome employees. It can be less noticible than saying "oh yeah, we've had a million executions this year".

But then again there are articles like this one (seriously, read it).


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm

According to that article Amnesty International claims they estimate 1700 or so executions a year in China, though it's a state secret how many, and things are kept under wraps.

For all their justifications and claims of safe guards, these guys are however producing mobile execution chambers. Meaning that the disappearing of citizens, troublesome employees, and other things has just become a heck of a lot easier. No need for a loud firing squad or whatever, the police come get some guy, take him to the nearest "Chinese Party Van" and that's all they wrote....
 

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Guys, guys, why are you killing yourselves, we put a Wii, a 360 and a PS3 in the one break room, learn to share, jeez. None of you even get enough down time to keep it occupied for a full hour, WHAT is the problem here.

Therumancer said:
The problem is that other than the civilian whistleblowers that got this ball rolling, and some of the public, I doubt anyone really cares. What your seeing is a dog and pony show until attention finally goes elsewhere.
Well said, which is the tragic part; "Say, nobody's killed themselves this week, I guess conditions are improved; now that the media's off our back, can you ramp up production another five million units to meet our Q3 quota?"
 

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I call your attention here [http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/05/21/205203/Ninth-Suicide-At-iPhone-Factory].

Specifically, this comment [http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1660824&cid=32299222];
Here's a source [http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2009/snapshots/11204.html] [cnn.com]. Foxconn has 486,000 employees according to fairly reliable sources.

According to this [http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118677584137994489.html?mod=blog] [wsj.com] 2007 WSJ article, they had over 450,000 factory workers, 270,000 of which were at a single 2x1mile site.

In other words, the suicide rates for Foxconn workers is slightly below average.
Interesting...
How is every single poster managing to ignore this? While it does sound like the conditions at Foxconn are less than ideal, there are two things you need to remember.

1: People choose to work there. That means that no matter how bad the conditions are claimed to be, it's better than the workers other alternatives (starvation?). -- Obviously if evidence surfaced of employees being unable to leave, this would no longer be valid.

2: The suicide rate for foxconn employees is less than in China as a whole. 10 suicides sounds like a lot, but when you consider that foxconn has over 450,000 employees, not so much.

Lets see how long it is before people on this thread start talking about the real facts here...
 

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This might just be the begining of the end of poor working conditions in china.
 

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Foxconn, where work makes you free.

OK, maybe that was in poor taste, but it's still feckin' weird.
Considering they have guards beating the workers it wouldn't shock me if that actually had that posted someplace and somehow I doubt things will change.
 

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LightspeedJack said:
Holy shit...I kind of feel guilty for buying so many of their products.
Nah, I only bought a single mobo with the Foxconn label like 3 or 4 years ago and I don't use... well... I also bought a 360... and a Wii... and an iPod Touch... and 3 NDS (really, that thing breaks way too easy)...
you do know that foxconn practically manufactures practically ALL graphics hardware and motherboards? that they have a different company name or logo on them does not make a difference, they still come from the same processing plant.
 

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wow that's kinda...well very scarily weird
especially having to sign a promise NOT to commit suicide
that in itself is a bad (and sad) sign
 

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Oh, these guys have been around forever. This is just their big comeback since their last location got shut down. You know, the one that had "Arbeit Macht Frei" written over the entrance.
 

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Maybe they were ritualistic, and they're trying to summon demons to manufacture the products for them...

CONSPIRACY?!?!?!
 

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Isn't this the SAME company where the Iphone prototype got lost and the guy killed himself over it? Jesus, this company needs to be investigated.

EDIT: Read the wikipedia page, they tried to drag a reporter into the factory, when the police arrived, they told the reporter he could file a report, but they said that Foxconn has "Special Status Locally"

Over ten deaths in like 5 months, some of the accounts are ridiculous like "Drowned in the company building's pool, but was an able swimmer"

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON THERE?
It's like they're manufacturing evil ninjas that will doom the world.


And with that labour record I think it's best they shut them down for good.
 

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I don't mean to lower the tone or anything, but one of the guys in the picture looks like the G Man.
 

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Redlin5 said:
Remind me never to apply to work there. Holy hell! That is an insane suicide rate!
It's less than the suicide rate in china generally. Remember they have 450,000+ employees. 10 is not a big number in comparison. I think a lot of people have absolutely no sense of the scale these companies work at.
 

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Probably some may think this is some left-wing ranting what I am about to do, but please consider this:

You can say: Bad China! How dare they do such things?!
But don't forget that this kind of shit is, indirectly, made possible by people like you and me. Sure, there are lots of companys who outsource what not to China for their cheap labor (and things like shown above) and we probably all have a few dozen labels in our home saying "made in China". It's easy to say: If you don't want it, boycott it. But I know from experience, alas, that it's very difficult to avoid. But you can always try to minimalize the chance of buying products that come from this pitts of hell by trying to inform yourself about the options of an article befor you buy it.
 

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When a bunch of body parts are found in tightly wrapped garbage bags in the building's dumpster, I think you can rule out suicide.

One look at their web site and I wanted to commit suicide. Is this like a sweatshop for programmers?
 

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Well it is China, Definitely no surprise there. We all know nothing is going to be done about this ever.
 

Solo-Wing

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Ok. An employee does break the agreement and kills themselves. What are they gonna do? Prosecute a dead man?