Supreme Court Case Transcripts Now Online

[mattttherman3]

I still believe that no matter the outcome, nothing will change. Know how I know? The movie industry, the porn industry, certain books. Most children that get these games get them from their parents, and if those at the top of the industry are so stupid and change the way they make games, then they are cowards, and I will discourage anyone from playing them altogether. I can live without video games.

 

[PhunkyPhazon]

...what game can you light a school girl on fire and then piss on her?... the sims? or is it one of those freaky hentai AO games?

Good. Freaking. Question. Though I am willing to bet you could find something like this in either Japan or an obscure fetish site. Then again, obscure fetish games are made in Japan 9 out of 10 times, so I guess it really boils down to Japan.

 

[ShadowKirby]

This law was apparently not thought out very well...

JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: Would a video game that portrayed a Vulcan as opposed to a human being, being maimed and tortured, would that be covered by the act?

MR. MORAZZINI: No, it wouldn't, Your Honor, because the act is only directed towards the range of options that are able to be inflicted on a human being.

JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR:So if the video producer says this is not a human being, it's an android computer simulated person, then all they have to do is put a little artificial feature on the creature and they could sell the video game?

MR. MORAZZINI: Under the act, yes...

Let's just put a warning before every games saying those are digital characters. Boom! Case solved.

 

[z3rostr1fe]

Wow... The first few pages are already entertaining... Lemme bookmark it for laters...

 

[2fish]

Well since postal 2 was the love child of this debate I shall say we found a new loophole, Postal 3: Vulcan Revenge you only kill Klingons no human violence so it is clean under Cali's proposed law .

I made a quick score card for comments I liked or thought was in our favor.

Justice Alito 3
Justice Kagan 5
Justice Kennedy 1
Justice Scalia 6
Justice Sotomayor 4

I feel good about this case, let?s hope we win and win hard.

 

[Ekonk]

I still can't help but feel that these people have a gross misunderstanding of what the average video game is like. I mean, has anyone ever played a game in which he brought torture upon small children and women? Because I certainly haven't.

Apart from this rather distasteful misunderstanding, it seems to be going the right way.

 

[RikSharp]

that was a thoroughly entertaining read. california's argument sounded very weak, effectively that they need the court to be a censorship panel for a very specific level of violence that they cannot themselves define before the act actually happening, and that it must be against humans or it's fair game...

keep up the reporting on this, as i said above, very entertained by the Justices.

 

[dochmbi]

I mean, has anyone ever played a game in which he brought torture upon small children and women? Because I certainly haven't.

I have, Fallout 3.

 

[Hawk of Battle]

Who even made Postal 2 and can we lynch them for being fucking dumbasses??

 

[zacattack14]

Wait wait wait! Wait a sec! Who in the right mind authorized a second Postal game, seriously who was dumb enough to think that would be a good idea

 

[Callate]

"We have here a new - a new medium that cannot possibly have been envisioned at the time when the First Amendment was ratified," Alito said. "So this presents a question that could not have been specifically contemplated at the time when the First Amendment was adopted. And to say, well, because nobody was - because descriptions in a book of violence were not considered a category of speech that was appropriate for limitation at the time when the First Amendment was violated is entirely artificial."

The Founding Fathers couldn't have envisioned assault rifles when the second Amendment was ratified, either, Alito. Yet I don't see you saying laws that edge into that one are okay...

 

[dalek sec]

The Founding Fathers couldn't have envisioned assault rifles when the second Amendment was ratified, either, Alito. Yet I don't see you saying laws that edge into that one are okay...

I'm personally hoping that's just something to sound like they're thinking it over before that smash that stupid law to bits. That's just my personal feeling cause so far they seem to be rather rational and everything.

 

[MikeFrost]

What happens if an adult buys a mature game for himself and then his kid happens to just grab it around the house and play it?

We're bordering on wanting to transfer a responsability that's solely the parents' one. You may stop children from getting it on a store but nothing's keeping them from getting it, either way. Circunventing will always happen.

 

[Flamma Man]

What happens if an adult buys a mature game for himself and then his kid happens to just grab it around the house and play it?

Why would the parent being leaving a violent videogame around the house where a kid could potentially play it?

They should keep it out of reach of them, set them down and tell them that they can't play it.

You know.

Like a parent.

 

[Omnific One]

I read the entire thing as a break from writing essays. They were actually pretty interesting, with the joking by the justices and Alito's and Robert's constant use of "video" instead of game.

 

[Haunted Herring]

the main character? Enemies maybe, bosses maybe, but a main character?

Yes the main character. Plenty of them as well, but as me and another said, it's japanese games.

PIX OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

in all seriousness though, I really had no idea... What titles had this in it? I can't believe they get away with that kinda stuff...

RapeLay comes to mind. So does Bible Black and some others I've heard of, but can't remember their names.

Most of these games aren't even sold commercially, not the explicit ones anyway. They have to be bought or downloaded online. I recall RapeLay being available on Amazon for a short period of time before being revoked for obvious reasons. Illusion has a rather large backlog of 'eroge' games. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion_Soft There's obviously a market for these kind of games. Personally I think the industry could do without them.

The erotic games you will see on shop shelves (only in Japan) are fairly tame if not totally bizarre; like that witch molesting game... You crazy Japan!

And why did the opposition have to choose Postal 2, the epitome of bad taste in video games, as the example? I'm surprised Smith didn't call them out on that. Though the game could be seen as a parody of over the top and exaggerated violence in video games as well as a message of anti-censorship.

Or it could be an attention-seeking, vulgar and pointless excuse for a video game.

 

[MikeFrost]

They should keep it out of reach of them, set them down and tell them that they can't play it.

You know.

Like a parent.

If parents actually were the perfect example they should be we wouldn't be having this whole issue in the first place. Most of the kids get their games through their parents, not by going out and buying the violent game themselves.

One of the reasons the ESRB exists is exactly so it reaches out to parents.