Well, that is true I guess... Without that culture of arranging marriages for purity of blood and keeping power close to family, incestuous union would not really be such a serious risk after all.GothmogII said:That assumes the children of an incestuous relationship would also be into incest. You know, how children of a gay parent are always born gay? One would also assume, taking this solid line of reasoning, the children of parents who are into bestiality would therefore also partake, or S&M for that matter.McNinja said:The problem with incest is the fact that there is no diversity in the genes. It would be the same thing over and over, and eventually it would lead to mutations, and we don't want that, because that is bad.
Makes sense, given how children of religious parents are likely to also be religious due to their up-bringing. Right?
/end sarcasm.
My point being, that while I'm not discounting the fact that yes, parents pass on ideas to their children, it's a little silly to assume that just because the parents are okay with it means that the children are somehow going to be beholden to the same lifestyle. Then again, maybe you're right, and that is a sad thing, but it's not because of the incest, it because of the parent who would try to force that on their offspring.
There's two words for that: GENERATIONAL INBREEDING.Fleaman said:I'm for this, but everyone who says kids are out is right, and everyone who says inbreeding doesn't traumatize the genome is ass wrong. Aristocrats and royals across history and nationality have practiced inbreeding, and the results are pretty consistent. It basically destroyed the Hapsburgs, and made them look stupid while it was doing it.
But yeah, I say otherwise go for it. I'm interested in what happens to sex mores if the next generation can have intra-family sex, though I hypothesize that family dynamics will actually remain pretty much the same.
As in, in-breeding that takes place over several generations, over many years, within the same family. A single instance of in-breeding as has been mentioned several times, is unlikely to cause significant genetic damage or deformity over regular breeding.
The quote was from Hotshots movie.Generic Gamer said:I suppose that's a matter of perspective, I consider 4% to be massive when talking about human life. I have heard something about a 4-5% infant fatality rate for inbred children so I was under the impression that the number was quite a bit higher (those just being the fatal defects). I'd be interested to see your source if possible, I know that Iceland conducted a study into inbreeding a while ago...that's because of their population level, NOT a stab at any Icelandic Escapists.
Incidentally, where did that 'old saying' come from? It amused me no end.
no contraception is 100% effective and not all insurance will cover abortionImperator_DK said:When did sex equal procreation in modern times?Generic Gamer said:Oh ho ho ho....no. No this is a bad idea. Look, I know we like to be all permissive on this website but the damage to children from even one incident of inbreeding is massive.
There's plenty of contraception methods available, sterilisation, birth control pills, and condoms to name a few, as well as copious sex acts which can't result in pregnancy. Furthermore there's the access to abortion.
Just outlaw the procreation. Or vaginal intercourse if strict. It's not like the law has any actual effect when there isn't a child to prove the sexual relation anyway.
Yay. ^^ I like you, too.Pirate Kitty said:Cute avatar: checkBloodstain said:This, a thousand times this.Pirate Kitty said:Good.
Should be legal everywhere.
Good luck, world, trying to stop people who love each other. Besides, those couples will most likely have perfectly normal children...only after multiple generations of incest children could be slightly deformed, for example, having an additional finger.
I'm not engaged in an incestuous relationship, I just like freeeeeeeedom, yeah.
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Zeithri said:If two people wants to have sex and both are in on it;
There's no law in history that is gonna stop them.
Just don't have kids.
Personal Standpoint: It's their choice. I have no moral quarrels with this.
I do have a problem with it. Even if you get around the idea of doing it with your brother or sister, there are other expressions of love than just having sex. Just in a brother and sister relationship, there is every aspect of love and being human other than sex. You care for your sibling, hug them, help when their felling sad, argue and fight with them, kiss them (may be a little odd but, i mean to an extent.) If having an experience with a child with that person is what someone wants, the child could very well be born with defects. I not saying oh, babies with disabilities are bad produce, No. I'm saying, even if your willing to go through that, is it fair to put your child through that. And even if your willing, there will be some nights where your laying in bed staring eyes wide-open, into the darkness thinking "how the fuck am I gonna do this. How will do that... today.. tomorrow... next week... for the rest of my life. Families with no disabilities and minimal problems think of that. Two relatives can adopt a child and be a legitimate family i would think. And i can't imagine that be good for a family, how do does someone even approach that, how will the rest of your family react if you do?Zeithri said:If two people wants to have sex and both are in on it;
There's no law in history that is gonna stop them.
Just don't have kids.
Personal Standpoint: It's their choice. I have no moral quarrels with this.
Not all forms of sex can lead to pregnancy, so even then only the one form that can needs to be outlawed. And not all health care systems are based around private insurances.Jroo wuz heer said:...
no contraception is 100% effective and not all insurance will cover abortion
this is bad
true, but it's gonna end badly if they try and be that specific about it.Imperator_DK said:Not all forms of sex can lead to pregnancy, so even then only the one form that can needs to be outlawed. And not all health care systems are based around private insurances.Jroo wuz heer said:...
no contraception is 100% effective and not all insurance will cover abortion
this is bad
Ok, if we are talking love here. The parents love for eachother resulted in, let's say a girl, kinda making her the symbol of their love. Then the relationship doesn't work out and the father falls in love with the symbol of the affection he once held for his past lover, his daughter. That just seems wrong to me.Jaranja said:What you said requires is not to be love. I'm saying what if it is love?NathLines said:Because the mother or father in question already had a lover, the other parent. The result of that love(or broken condom but let's stick to love) was that child. And when the two didn't work out, one of them suddenly end up with their kid? It's not much of a matter of love to me but more of a simple way to get laid.Jaranja said:Why not? You just said if two people love each other...NathLines said:Fuck family says I. Interpret that however you like. If two persons love eachother, let them be. If they're related, just make sure they don't get kids <.<
EDIT: GOD DAMN ME. I always think of brother-sister relationships when I hear incest. But it involves father-daughter stuff too Dx I don't support people humping their descendants.
Why can't it be Mother-Son?
Also, I find it disgusting so it's a lot of personal opinion from my side.
That's very true, but almost everyone is born with one genetic ailment or another, from as simple as predisposition to cancer, diabetes or heart disease.jamiedf said:this is so wrong, the chances of any child being born with no problems is minute. and legalising it is paramount to encouraging it.
come on Switzerland, get your crap together