Or you could have made a game that was actually in the series's GENRE and built off of the first game. Taken the basic idea and branched it off with new mechanics and such. There's always that option.
Syndicate Was a "Lost Battle From the Get-Go"
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Or NOT putting Syndicate's name on this game.DVS BSTrD said:
Come on Starbreeze. You made a good game based on a movie (Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay) for crying out loud. And The Darkness, while it did have its faults, was still pretty good.
You can do better than this. I know you can. You've shown you can.
His analysis shows how disconnected he actually is. When push comes to shove, if they had made this a decent FPS, it wouldn't have been taken so harshly. But they took a job from EA who only wants to make COD clones in an attempt to get some of that money. They made a mediocre shooter from a game that is beloved franchise from the past. The fallout wasn't going to be good when they turned it into the thing the market has the most of now. As far as I'm concerned, this developer can blow it out of his ass. Not because they "messed up" the franchise, but because there is no place for a company that just does the same thing as every other company is doing.
Honestly, a copy is exactly what they needed. I know at least a dozen people off the top of my head that would have bought a remake of syndicate done with modern technology. I mean, Jesus, it works for Square with remakes of the old school FF titles.
I would have bought a copy sight unseen if it were an RTS.
The real issue there, though, is that no one beyond Firaxis with turn based Civ Revolution has the balls to try any strategy, let alone an RTS on a console because without mouse support it would never work.
I never even finished Syndicate. Just put the controller down and walked away. Think I'll take it to a resale outlet since I never even bothered with the online code.
I would have bought a copy sight unseen if it were an RTS.
The real issue there, though, is that no one beyond Firaxis with turn based Civ Revolution has the balls to try any strategy, let alone an RTS on a console because without mouse support it would never work.
I never even finished Syndicate. Just put the controller down and walked away. Think I'll take it to a resale outlet since I never even bothered with the online code.
Since when was making a sequel, constructed out of already established mechanics and aiming to appeal to the lowest common denominator considered "risky"? Was it "risky" solely because you knew you were going to anger fans, because it was NAMED Syndicate? Was that really the only risk, the NAME? Are you saying that because it used the Syndicate NAME, you were taking a huge risk that you could already see you wouldn't win? If you hadn't used the Syndicate NAME, you could have taken it in a unique and possibly even innovative direction, and people might have accepted it for what it was, rather than what it wasn't?
You know, I can already begin to see how you could have avoided taking this MASSIVE RISK, but I'm not going to tell you how, because I'm just that much of an asshole. Good luck on your next super-risky sequels though!!
You know, I can already begin to see how you could have avoided taking this MASSIVE RISK, but I'm not going to tell you how, because I'm just that much of an asshole. Good luck on your next super-risky sequels though!!
Zhukov said:
Jandau said:
Nothing more needs to be said.TsunamiWombat said:
There was no risk involved, there was nothing SPECIAL about the game.
"If we didn't do an exact copy of the game, they'd hate us. If we did do an exact copy, they'd say we didn't innovate."
Oh yeah? Says who? For many, just bringing an old classic onto a current system is enough. Anything more, like updated graphics, extra content etc is just a bonus.
Bet they never considered that properly.
Oh yeah? Says who? For many, just bringing an old classic onto a current system is enough. Anything more, like updated graphics, extra content etc is just a bonus.
Bet they never considered that properly.
9 million before it gets split up of course. Assuming this little thing is correct [http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/game-pie.jpg] (and someone correct me if it's not), the developer would've only received ~$1,350,000.evilneko said:
What? Hopefully it does befall the exact same fate! When this kind of shit doesn't fail then the publishers will continue to ruin the names of good games by slapping the name on another 08/15 FPS.Grey Carter said:
I hope 2K's XCOM reboot crash and burns, while Firefaxis reboot makes tons of money.
Or, you know, because the game was just not very good.Sober Thal said:
Which one do you mean? The FPS is gonna go down, i suspect that, too, but i do think that the firefaxis game will do pretty good. Of course there are some issues, but we'll see. And why "PC flamers"? XCOM fans are on pc and console, since even the original xcom was made for pc and playstation.Sober Thal said:
OK, then why am i playing Master of Orion and Ufo enemy unknown, right now?Sober Thal said:
Can't be nostalgia, because i discovered Ufo a year ago and Master of Orion only two months ago and both hold up pretty good!
All they had to do was make a good cyberpunk tactics game. Of course they failed when they decided to do the complete opposite. Sure I was kinda excited at first, but as soon as the whole "betrayed by your own syndicate" thing came out, it was clear they had no idea what Syndicate was about.
I liked JA2 back in the day. Don't really get alot of time these days so haven't picked up the remake. I did read that it was quite poor however. I wouldn't use one example to nix the whole idea.Sober Thal said:
It's really funny that they thought they took a risk with the game.
If they wanted to be safe with the name they should have made a cheap remake of the original. I barely remember playing the original because I was very young at that time, but I probably would have bought a remake of it.
If they wanted to be safe with the name they should have made a cheap remake of the original. I barely remember playing the original because I was very young at that time, but I probably would have bought a remake of it.
Yes that's right, it's everyone else's fault... What a load of rubbish. Co-opting the Syndicate name wouldn't have held the game back if it had actually been good.
Just to be crystal clear, the problem here is Starbreeze made two errors:
1. Switching the Syndicate genre entirely, losing a lot of what made the game engaging and fun in the first place.
2. Making a mediocre game.
The first might have been survivable, if the second wasn't also true.
Just to be crystal clear, the problem here is Starbreeze made two errors:
1. Switching the Syndicate genre entirely, losing a lot of what made the game engaging and fun in the first place.
2. Making a mediocre game.
The first might have been survivable, if the second wasn't also true.