Teenagers Kill Child in "Mortal Kombat" Murder

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Why would you say you were a golden elephant? .

Because I am.

The truth comes out. I'm sure we all had our suspicions.

And the problem with what you said was that you left no space for your own mistakes. For instance, I read the same post that you did, and didn't come to the conclusion that Geoffrey thought that there's a guiding force in the universe that wanted this girl to die. Mainly because there're different definitions of the phrase "free will" that he may have been using. It's fine for you to scrutinise the words and meanings of others, but you come across as arrogant, which doesn't help your case. Try leaving some room for self-doubt, acknowledge the possibility that there is more than one way to understand a statement, and people might have less problems with what you say.

Anyway, people don't seem to be noticing that it doesn't take a deranged psycopath who regularly burns orphanages and rapes kittens to do something like this. The two kids that did this, simply didn't think that beating up a seven-year-old girl was that big a deal. A case of sibling rivalry, taken too far. They'd done it before, and she hadn't died. This time, they got too forceful. Once they realised what they'd done, they tried to resucitate her, they called an ambulance. If they didn't care at all about the girl, then I don't think they would have done this.

Besides, hurting people is fun. All humans think so. These two - like so many others - just couldn't control themselves enough.

 

[PurpleRain]

I don't think it's actually the popular belief that video games are evil. Talk to some real people sometime, just bother someone on the street with a clipboard in hand and they'll probably be willing to answer one question without much fuss.

If video games existed around the 1930's, how powerful would the 3rd Reich of become? The Nazi's would train their evil powers on the PS2. They would slay all the children and recruit an army of German youths who also listen to Mayrilin Manson.

 

[Social Pariah]

Now bear in mind there have been more Mortal Combat games made since the first, so it's not necesarily the 15 year old SNES one, but if it were that they played the more recent ones then they are most assuredly mentally... underpriveledged. If it is the case that they played the newer Mortal Combats and enjoyed them, even on a basic level, let alone enough to try and re-enact them and murder people then their sanity is woefully in question. Their poor taste in computer games is solely to blame in this circumstance, the recent ones are awful, Soul Calibre 1+2 now there's a pair of fighting games worth blaming bloody murder over. So if it is the new range of Mortal Combats they were playing then my final comment is that they could have at least blamed a good game.

 

[SilentHunter7]

They're charged with "Child abuse resulting in death." Their max punishment is 42 years if tried as adults.

That's pretty solid.

Though I am a huge fan of vigilante justice, anyone have a crossbow?

Screw 42 years, these asshats need life without parole. They're obviously mentally incapable of distinguishing between reality and fantasy, and pose a threat to society.

 

[Sylocat]

Because New Media Are Evil, most people in charge of older media will try to push anything they can on it to make the first statement true. The alcohol aspect was underplayed because they want to avoid angering adults who choose to drink, but because only kids play video games, they are an acceptable target as far as most newsrooms are concerned.

Dang it, quit stealing my lines!!!

But, in all seriousness, this just plain sucks. I mean, karate-chopping a 7-year-old girl. Real smart move there. I'm so sure the girl didn't give any indication, somewhere along the line, that she wasn't enjoying being beaten to death. :-(

 

[Journeyman4565]

This story is indeed tragic, but not because children were playing a video game. Never once does anyone ever hear from the "news" (see propaganda) about the parents who should be held responsible for these situations. They never talk about the parents who buy M rated video games for children who are under seventeen years of age, nor do they talk about the parents who leave alcohol in places that are easily accessible to underage individuals, and we also never hear that the parents were the ones who left their child alone while their other daughter and her boyfriend beat a little helpless girl causing horrific injuries and eventually her death . My question is "Where were the parents?" It seems like all of the big news organizations are afraid to say that the parents were negligent in the many instances like these that occur, and I'm getting sick of it. I'm even more sick of the news and parents blaming the content and its makers rather than than themselves, who make it accessible to children who are too young to play such things. Would they give their children porn? Would they give them R-rated movies, or adult books and magazines? Then why on earth would they give them M rated video games? Never do we see statistics about how many people actually play games and never act out violently, only the ones that say video games are destroying society. I would say that the ratio of non-violent gamers to truly violent gamers is probably strikingly in favor of the non-violent gamers. Probably in the cases of millions to a relatively small few. I find my self a fairly conservative Christian individual, but I also play games and believe that they have their appropriate place among every other form of media as a way to communicate and express ourselves so long as they are accessible to the appropriate audiences. What we are seeing is utter lunacy being presented as legitimate news. I think that gamers need to band together and start writing news organizations demanding that they give appropriate and truly unbiased statistics and information, especially when we see stories like this. We should stand up as intelligent and thought provoking individuals against the system that is doing more wrong than right. This little girl who died deserves justice, and the individuals responsible should take the full blame. A sixteen year old girl and a seventeen year old boy beat this little girl to death, not Johnny Cage and his shadow kick.

 

[Geoffrey42]

Why would you say you were a golden elephant? .

Because I am.

I already told you! You can't be! Golden elephants can't interface with the internets... Your subconscious is screaming that you wish you were a gold elephant, though. Absolutely screaming. I can hear it. It sings to me in forgotten tongues. But only I can hear them... which is probably why you didn't realize what it was you were really saying.

 

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but you come across as arrogant, which doesn't help your case. Try leaving some room for self-doubt, acknowledge the possibility that there is more than one way to understand a statement, and people might have less problems with what you say.
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Of course I'm arrogant, aren't you every now and again?

No! I'm not arrogant! I'm too perfect! Only stupid people are arrogant!

Anyway, arrogance in itself isn't the problem. It's simply that people are more receptive to people who keep their arrogance in check. You're not going to be very persuasive if you offend everyone around you. Which, I think, is the point Geoffrey is making. When you seemed to decide that the problem could only be in his own miscommunication, rather than a misinterpretation on your part, you didn't exactly help your own argument.

Screw 42 years, these asshats need life without parole. They're obviously mentally incapable of distinguishing between reality and fantasy, and pose a threat to society.

I like how you seem to be saying, by implication, that this was due to a game after all. Even after the majority of people on this site would think that games or other violent media has little to no impact on whether or not people will break the law, you still state your opinion. Bravo.

 

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I don't care if you don't mind offending people. I don't care if people are stupid enough to be offended by an opinion. I'm simply asking that you aren't surprised when people are hostile towards you if you act like a self-righteous ass. Which, funnily enough, just happened.

I already told you! You can't be! Golden elephants can't interface with the internets... Your subconscious is screaming that you wish you were a gold elephant, though. Absolutely screaming. I can hear it. It sings to me in forgotten tongues. But only I can hear them... which is probably why you didn't realize what it was you were really saying.

Now you're just being an ass who won't shut up. I apologized to you (though not formerly) now would you kindly drop it.)

Now, your "apology" was somewhat tainted by you deciding, in the same post, that the reason that the misunderstanding happened in the first place was due to you being able to read what his subconscious was saying, and that he couldn't. And who knows? Maybe you can. Maybe you're actually a master psychologist/psychic mind reader, and you do know what he means better than he does. But you can hardly blame us for going for a rather more likely proposition: that you're just unashamedly arrogant, and refuse to believe that it might be your fault. He didn't accept your apology because it was insincere. And yet, for all your worldly knowledge, and understanding of how petty people can be, you seem to be surprised by this.

And in regards to your point about people being offended by others stating their own opinion, your initial outburst was hardly worded as "opinion".

Okay, whoa, Geoffry, you don't believe in free will?
SO THAT MEANS: You believe this was SUPPSOED to happen, some godlike figure, called Destiny, (boy she's hot) decided two dumbass bastards will get drunk, play MK, kill an innocent child, and blame a video game. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING!? Cause that's definitely what you typed! (figuratively of course.)
On the other hand we could look at it the other way.
No free will, we are only doing what we are commanded to by some outside force, destiny and fate don't exhist, so all that's left is alchohol, and MK, since there's no need for them to be mentally disturbed of course.
So, if the latter is true by your psot, then you DO belive mortal Kombat caused this, alchohol was just an accesory.
You have practically just stated that the girl died for NO REASON other than that SHE WAS MEANT TO, or DESERVED TO.
I had trouble seeing the point of your posts before, but apparently if free will doesn't exhist, than you believe than yes, the video game did it.

How times here do you state that the way you interpreted his post was the only way? I'd highlight them, but you've pretty much put everything I need in capitals yourself. Of course, the matter of whether or not you really meant it like that is not for me to decide, but, to use your own words:

You may not have meant that, but that's DEFINITELY what you have said.

 

[Geoffrey42]

Now you're just being an ass who won't shut up. I apologized to you (though not formerly) now would you kindly drop it.)

While I wasn't really looking for an apology, nor did I note at the time of your response that there was one, it would be foolish and uncivil of me not to accept. So, thank you. While I wasn't able to read it from your post, you apparently meant it, and I'm willing to take your word for it.

As for my asshattery... I found the tack in both of your prior posts (original and apology) annoying, because in both, in different ways, you implied that you knew better what I was saying than I did. I'm happy to accept that I may not have been very clear, or that I may have miscommunicated in some other way (the ideal response being that someone points out the inconsistencies in what I said, or the places where I lost them, so that I can try and rephrase)... it happens, but I get particularly frustrated when other people imply they know what I meant, and that it wasn't what I think I meant. (If I'm being a Vizzini, and continuing to use a word that doesn't mean what I think it means, I would prefer that you direct me to a dictionary, and not assume some deeper meaning about my poor choice of words.) Rather than point this out in a rather boring, dry, and eruditic paragraph, I chose to mock you with satire, and hope you got my point.

And, when you said "Because I am.", I thought it indicative of you at least playing along with the premise of my satire, so I remained in character and played it out, while adding some fresh mockery of newly annoying things from your apologetic post. The fact remains that golden elephants are simply incapable of interfacing with the internets, so your very presence on these boards spoke otherwise of your status. Which is why I remained so very puzzled as to why you insisted it was so. See? Given the original premise, everything I said made perfect logical sense.

 

[SilentHunter7]

I like how you seem to be saying, by implication, that this was due to a game after all. Even after the majority of people on this site would think that games or other violent media has little to no impact on whether or not people will break the law, you still state your opinion. Bravo.

I find I state minority opinions a lot. I guess because when I share an opinion with most of the people at a given forum, by the time I get to the thread, most of what I have to say has already been done to death.


But, back on topic;

I don't think anyone can totally rule out exposure to certain media's effect on some people, especially young people. Case in point, I just gave my old copy of Ace Combat 04 to my 6 year old nephew last week, and since then the only thing I've heard him say was "Mobius One, Fox Two", or "Incoming from Stonehenge, lower your altitude". If I gave him gears of war instead, I'm sure I'd probably be seeing him chainsawing imaginary Locust, and other slightly disturbing things 6 year olds should not be fantasizing about.

Even so, you cant blame the media for putting a product out. Parents have to actually raise their kids, rather than letting Cartoon Network, the Xbox, and their teachers do it for them. People who cant raise a kid shouldn't be allowed to have one.

 

[KV2]

Life sucks, then you die of Mortal Kombat. *Sighs*

 

[PurpleRain]

Life sucks, then you die of Mortal Kombat. *Sighs*

Good way to go. If a ninja came and tore out my heart and froze me before shattering me into pieces, I wouldn't argue.

 

[Hey Joe]

News just in: 11 year old kills mother with underdone chicken. Is Jamie Oliver to blame? More at 11.

 

[[HD]Rob Inglis]

This is a f***ing laugh and a half. I hate it when the media spits this retarded garbage. There is absolutley no connection, unless you are talking about crazy insane people.