**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[Jonluw]

Right, so... Nordic people are committing acts of terrorism in Norway. Why? What is their apparent grievance that they bomb and shoot?

There are speculations that it could have been done by right-wing extremists.
Both targets were linked to the Norwegian labour-party.

 

[Tuckiozi]

Something I don't like about this is all the people jumping on the "muslims did it" bandwagon.
Just check the comments on the youtube video and see what I mean.

Yes, this was probably done by an EXTREMIST muslim group. Don't judge all of them because what very few of them does.

It pisses me off!

An extremist muslim is still a muslim. So, if a muslim extremist group did this, the people saying "muslims did it" are, in fact, factually correct.

Yes, it is. But that was not my point.
I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

It's not like they flew to the building... As long as they do a proper job in the aftermath. We don't even know if the attackers ARE from outside, and most terrorist attacks are by people well integrated into the society of the country in question.

And that's exactly why what I said is a jab at the idiotic airport security in the US.

I'm not asking for a justification... but the terrorists wouldn't attack, say, Zimbabwe, because there wouldn't be a point. They only sacrifice themselves for a cause, after all.

I'm just asking "for what cause?" They aren't entirely irrational, they DO follow some form of logic. They don't go blowing themselves up for fun.

You don't need a reason better than "it's a developed western democratic country".

I don't think anyone blew up here, but those that do, do in fact do it for fun. An eternity of bliss, so I'm told.

Christianity isn't tolerant, all Christians still try to convert me because I'm a pagan, its just they are not allowed any more to kill me.

ON that note...if there were no Mulsums in Oslo this would not of happened...truth.

...Yeah, muslims had nothing to do with this. Thought I might let you know. In fact, you should know already.

So white people cant be muslims? Nothing is certain yet.

True, should probably have worded that with less certainty, but from what is currently known there is no real reason to believe that islamic extremists had anything to do with this.

 

[Ham_authority95]

ON that note...if there were no Mulsums in Oslo this would not of happened...truth.

Nobody knows what the fuck is happening. Please quit assuming anything until you know the actual facts.

I know that it's hard to think of an act of terror being committed by anyone but a Muslim after 10+ years of the media reporting on it, but use your brain a little bit.

 

[phelan511]

I love how some people are already pointing to terrorists when all the news channels are saying that the norway authorities don't know what has caused the explosion yet. Reminds me of the first line of the muse song 'uprising'.

You got a point there, but anyone who uses wholesale slaughter of innocent people and fear as a weapon is a terrorist. That's what a terrorist is. They don't have to be Muslim, they don't have to be anything. If they are willing to use violence against innocent people (the gunman was shooting at kids for gods sake, and they found UXOs in the area of the shooting too) to get their point across is a terrorist. Not to mention a total fucking nutjob.

EDIT: Btw props for the Muse reference

 

[LE0Night]

Just to emphasize/clarify how vomit-inducingly despicable the act was; Apparently the guy, dressed as a police officer, gathered people around him under the pretense of informing them of what had happened in Oslo. Then he opened fire. And in the ensuing panic he motioned people over to him before shooting them. And when people tried to swim back to shore, he picked them off one by one, sniping them with a rifle...

 

[phelan511]

I was about a quarter mile away from the site when it happened, and I'm honestly still shaking from the shock. The place looks like a warzone.

Just trying to get my bearings now, having just gotten home, but it seems to have been one or more car bombs that went off. I've heard reports about several casualties, but nobody seems to know much yet.

My thoughts and prayers go out to you, your country, and the victims. Been at sites of a few bombings myself (During a deployment to Iraq) so I know how disturbing it can be. The only thing you can do is pray that its over and be thankful it wasn't worse.

 

[phelan511]

This really hasn't sunk into me yet, but I know that we haven't had anything like this, I don't know, since the war or something. I'll be monitoring this for the days to come.

I am also very confused. Why? What have we done?

EDIT:

Yeah, as for reasons why, I'll wager our involvement in Libya and Afghanistan is high up on the list. Both Al-Quida and Ghaddafi have made direct threats to Norway.

You're probably onto something there and I wouldn't be surprised if you're right about it, but the bottom line is violence like this has no reason behind it. No justifiable reason anyhow. My prayers and thoughts go out to you and your country.

 

[LightOfDarkness]

I wish the terrorists could keep to bombing each other instead of us, what did Norway do to anger them?

Just a few months ago they tried to set off a bomb in Sweden aswell, luckily the guy messed up and only he died, but still. Sweden is one of the countries that takes in the most immigrants from the Arab countries, you would think they would be grateful, guess not.

Proper Arabs probably appreciate it very much.
Arb extremists probably think they're traitors.

 

[Bebus]

WOW, some serious Islamophobia here.

I have seen zero reason to believe this was some idiot extremist who thought his God would reward him with a pile of Virgins for his sacrifice (anybody who thinks this, I hope they get stuck with a load of pimply WoW nerds in the afterlife).

Anybody with a brain would see this is not some brainless Islamic attack. It looks to have motivations deeply rooted in local politics, similar to the IRA attacks in Britain not too long ago.

I would not be surprised to find out the perpetrator is exactly the same kind of right wing Muslim hating nut job as those currently blaming anybody brown for these attacks.

 

[Skjalg Kreutzer]

It is becoming more and more likely that this was the act of a lone madman, possibly affiliated with extremist neo-nazi movements, however nothing is certain. All we know at this point is that our nation has been attacked, and that many innocent people, some of them children, have died.

 

[LE0Night]

His facebook-account and web-history have been investigated, first character-details emerge. He calls himself a "nationalist", very anti-islam.
Oh, and he enjoys Modern Warfare and Dexter, go figure...

 

[maturin]

Not enough of a shift to change anything. These are political parties, and htye have what 15% 15% is nothing. They cant do jackshit with that power. They wont winn out righ and they wont have enough power to do anything. Im betting nothing will change. Besides with lots of immigrants I doubt they would vote nationalist, so yeah, its not going to happen.

Don't you live in Europe? You guys have coalition governments. That 15% could find itself in a ruling administration.

And 15% is a significant sector of the population. That's enough of a popular base for terrorism and violent militancy. Look at the Middle East.

 

[Tuckiozi]

First character-details emerge, he calls himself a "nationalist", very anti-islam.
Oh, and he enjoys Modern Warfare and Dexter, go figure...

He also calls himself a Christian Conservative (note the calls himself part).
Seems like a right-wing nutjob all right.

 

[Ninjasander]

Here he is https://twitter.com/#!/AndersBBreivik. That's the shooter. (I think!)

Atleast what he has written on twitter matches the things written in this article.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10080610

Note that this has not been officially confirmed, but the censored pics are really similar to his twitter pic!

Also, he thinks of himself as a nationalist, you can use Google translate to translate the article! Everything is written there.

EDIT: He is confirmed to be part of a extreme right-wing group!

 

[maturin]

In Romania, the Roma are subjected to terrorist attacks by rightwing thugs armed with grenades and and assault rifles. Meanwhile, a party with a blatantly racist anti-Roma platform gets over 9% of the vote.

That's so not true and you should check your sources ! The only parties in the Romanian parliament at the moment are PDL(democratic-liberal) , PSD(socialist) , PNL(liberals ) , PC(conservatives) and UDMR( the hungarian minority party) . We also offer a seat in parliament to all minorities(even small ones like the italian minority) and Roma children get help in order to continue their study up to high school and beyong (university) , not our fault they prefer most times to go stealing . Also , the hungarian minority party is in the government , just saying , we arent't exactly a extremist country...

Your pardon, I was typing quickly and forgot to say that the 9% of the vote for an anti-Roma party was in Bulgaria, not Romania. The attacks on Roma in Romania are the work of fringe fascist/racist groups, not organized political forces. Although really, all countries treat the Roma like shit.

 

[maturin]

Why alarm bells? It's just a voluntary camp kids go to with a political focus. This one was special because Gro Harlem Brundtland was supposed to do a speech there. She's an ex-prime minister.

There's nothing funny about the camp, just the description of it. It's not something I can explain easily, just a quirk of the suspicious American political psyche.

 

[Tuckiozi]

He is confirmed to be part of a extreme right-wing group!

Source, please? Haven't read that anywhere yet.

 

[The Diabolical Biz]

Here he is https://twitter.com/#!/AndersBBreivik. That's the shooter. (I think!)

Atleast what he has written on twitter matches the things written in this article.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10080610

Note that this has not been officially confirmed, but the censored pics are really similar to his twitter pic!

Also, he thinks of himself as a nationalist, you can use Google translate to translate the article! Everything is written there.

EDIT: He is confirmed to be part of a extreme right-wing group!

The Twitter link is either broken or has been taken down, I think.

Also Google Translate definitely messed some of that up for me - 'killing of vermin'? Uhh no, there's no way that's what it originally said.

Other than that, this is tragic and it's terrible to hear about the mounting casualties. Best wishes to all affected from me.