The Autopsy
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This argument sucks. The whole thing. It stinks of empty optics and exists solely for random people to claim they know some idealized version of the American voter better than someone else while obfuscating the needs of those voters and the aims of their politicians. I’m tired of it. Biden got a narrower victory than he would’ve liked. Oh well.
The problem at its core is there are three identifiable groups that are collectively called "the left" without any real, good-faith, attempt to make distinct from one another largely for political motives:
1. Democratic officials and hyper-partisan voters. These people, under the siren's song of neoliberalism, drifted well into center-right economic and social policy, and rely exclusively on optics, framing, aesthetics, and wedge issues to preserve any sense of distinction from the "real" right wing. And frankly, those wedge issues since Obama have dwindled to gun control and abortion, as Democratic partisans largely march in lockstep with Republicans on foreign policy, defense and security policy, energy policy, criminal justice policy, public health policy, or any other policy issue on which Democrats may talk a big game but are simultaneously more than happy to let Republicans run the table each and every time.
And when it comes to aforementioned optics, framing, and aesthetics, the first group cohabitates comfortably with and takes marching orders from...
2. Woke corporatists and brunch liberals. People who could give a fuck less about policy so long as they look good, don't have to pay too much attention, meet quarterly goals, and the bottom line goes up year-over-year. The very special type of moron who think drone strikes are good, actually, as long as you have a black or woman Secretary of Defense, and suddenly criticizing drone strikes is racist and/or sexist. The type of person who tunes into Maddow or Joy Ann Reid and gobbles up each and every word with bated breath, but tunes out in commercial breaks and doesn't think too hard about how MSNBC's advertisers may influence their editorial process...nor consider the social, economic, or political implications that MSNBC is owned by a tier-1 ISP and part of a cartel of four MNC's that collectively own over 90% of all media consumed by Americans.
Both the aforementioned two groups share mutual revulsion for...
3. The populist left. People who actually give a fuck about economic and social policy, and recognize the lack of distinction between Democrats and Republicans for what it is. People who can't, and don't, tolerate Democratic platitudes and inaction on policy issues of critical, hell even existential, importance to the long-term interests of the country. Woke shit is actually hit or miss here, because most of the populist left see it for what it is: weaponizing otherwise solid social theory to sew division in the left and undermine solidarity and class consciousness. That doesn't mean the populist left rejects arguments and movements for identarian equality, but it does mean the populist left views it as a double-edged sword that can and has been used against the left, and the populist left prioritizes solidarity while resisting the second group's class denialism.
1. Democratic officials and hyper-partisan voters. These people, under the siren's song of neoliberalism, drifted well into center-right economic and social policy, and rely exclusively on optics, framing, aesthetics, and wedge issues to preserve any sense of distinction from the "real" right wing. And frankly, those wedge issues since Obama have dwindled to gun control and abortion, as Democratic partisans largely march in lockstep with Republicans on foreign policy, defense and security policy, energy policy, criminal justice policy, public health policy, or any other policy issue on which Democrats may talk a big game but are simultaneously more than happy to let Republicans run the table each and every time.
And when it comes to aforementioned optics, framing, and aesthetics, the first group cohabitates comfortably with and takes marching orders from...
2. Woke corporatists and brunch liberals. People who could give a fuck less about policy so long as they look good, don't have to pay too much attention, meet quarterly goals, and the bottom line goes up year-over-year. The very special type of moron who think drone strikes are good, actually, as long as you have a black or woman Secretary of Defense, and suddenly criticizing drone strikes is racist and/or sexist. The type of person who tunes into Maddow or Joy Ann Reid and gobbles up each and every word with bated breath, but tunes out in commercial breaks and doesn't think too hard about how MSNBC's advertisers may influence their editorial process...nor consider the social, economic, or political implications that MSNBC is owned by a tier-1 ISP and part of a cartel of four MNC's that collectively own over 90% of all media consumed by Americans.
Both the aforementioned two groups share mutual revulsion for...
3. The populist left. People who actually give a fuck about economic and social policy, and recognize the lack of distinction between Democrats and Republicans for what it is. People who can't, and don't, tolerate Democratic platitudes and inaction on policy issues of critical, hell even existential, importance to the long-term interests of the country. Woke shit is actually hit or miss here, because most of the populist left see it for what it is: weaponizing otherwise solid social theory to sew division in the left and undermine solidarity and class consciousness. That doesn't mean the populist left rejects arguments and movements for identarian equality, but it does mean the populist left views it as a double-edged sword that can and has been used against the left, and the populist left prioritizes solidarity while resisting the second group's class denialism.
About half the people on these forum represent a group of leftists not represented in that description.
The election was picking between the lesser of two racists. They won less bad policies
Or you can just wait. Trump's supporters and Republicans in general are older. Millennials and Gen Z, being younger, smarter and nicer voted overwhelmingly for Biden. The old fucks, not so much. Wait a few years, the demographics always change. That's why Republicans are fighting too and nail to hold onto power - this is their last hurrah before their key demographic of old fucks who never got over the end of segregation die out.
I have been noticing that Biden has been giving us more policies AFTER the election, rather than before. Sounds kinda backwards to me.
I can't imagine any of this not pissing people off in 2022 /s. It shows he wasn't being truthful with them. Also, THIS stuff he's saying now might have turned on Dem voters. And it's all because he was frightened of being called a Socialist... which he was called anyway
So... what the hell is Maher talking about? Isnt that stuff corporate Dems? There's only a few lefty DemsThis is where the term is being used:
More lawmakers are using the term Latinx, but they're mostly Democrats
Nearly half of Democratic lawmakers in the 116th Congress have used Latinx on social media—compared to 1 percent of their Republican colleagues.www.nbcnews.com
That is also where people got voted out.
Edit: to save people the read, in recent years, polls have found only 1% of twitter has used the term "latinx" and only 3% of latinx people have used "latinx", and meanwhile 50% of congressional Democrats have used "latinx" on social media.
Edit: Oh, its just the Jordan Peterson thing. 'Everything I dont like is bad and clearly conspiring together.' He's just collapsing groups and calling them all bad.
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Not necessarily.
The aim in beating Trump was to portray an image of "government as normal": competence ahead of cronyism, professionalism over chaos. Policy discussion would get in the way of that message, and perhaps worse aggravate divisions in Democratic Party voter blocs or excite resistance from Republicans.
I think it might work in 2020 but have negative effects for 2022/4
Oh, it is definitely going to be a bloodbath circa 2010, probably bigger
Like, every Dem candidate in Montana ran on a "I'm super centrist and used to proudly vote Republican and will reach across the aisle and look at my guns and taxes aren't good" campaign, so now we're deep red and the legislature is already looking to repeal the legal weed ballot measure most of us voted for.
Because why vote for Diet Republican while Full Flavored Republican is *right there*? Hell, Dems tried to unseat McConnell with a *pro-Trump* Democrat. It's uncanny how bad the DNC is down ballot
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