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brazuca

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www.cracked.com has it's own opinion about wonder woman. http://www.cracked.com/funny-839-wonder-woman/ and http://www.cracked.com/blog/if-wonder-woman-comics-were-more-honest-and-awesome/.

There is another that they show how wrong wonder woman went in the 70's, but I can't find it. Good video bob, really liked this one. One day I'd like a history lesson from you, u seem the kind of person who likes to read a lot.
 

Ohlookit'sMatty

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So the 'Who Wonder Woman came to be" story is a lot more interesting that I would have ever thought // Thanks for the info Bob

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malestrithe

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Diana got less weird over time?

Her current iteration is that she is Pygmalion, made of clay and was given the powers of Shazam, I mean the gods. This was after her mother got her soul from a caern of souls.

Back in world war two, she was a flesh and blood human that was just better than everyone else.
 

Dak_N_Jaxter

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Huh?
I never would have guessed.

Maybe its because I'm more familiar with the Marvel universe than the DC one, but I always figured Wonder Woman was more of a token character.

More a of a gimmicky, "zomg, look shes a girl, but she's badass, so shes automatically cool".

I never would have guessed she was born under such unusual circumstances.
 

Battle Catman

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Not a bad vid, but nothing new--everything Bob said I already knew from at least two other Warner/DC DVD documentaries.

And no, Megan Fox would not make a good Wonder Woman. Donna Troy possibly, but Diana needs to be tall (6'+) and built like an Olympic athlete. She's an AMAZON for a reason.
 

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Hollywood doesn't know how to do powerful female lead characters as far as I can tell (Ripley being the exception, although she had to become 'one of the guys' to be accepted) so they are probably never going to see it as a viable property.

Look what they did to Joss Whedon's 'girl power' icon Buffy, if my memory serves me right he had to go abroad to get the funding to make the series the way he wanted.
 

Squigie

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Moriarty70 said:
Thank you for not playing the "Her new costume hates America" card. That was some of the weakest sauce I've seen people bring to a debate in a long time.
Especially since her new costume is actually more patriotic. [http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/comic/book-11/06-sister-tact/starspangledpanties/]
 

Darks63

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Fr said:
anc[is]Escapist, I don't mind the huge border ads, I do mind not being able to go back and click comments without reloading the whole page.
There is a Close button at the top right of the page.

OT: I think its a blessing that there hasnt een a WW movie due to the fact that it would prolly end up being much like the Catwomen movie and like the photoshop above they might cast someone horrible in the lead.
 

Sabrestar

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Battle Catman said:
And no, Megan Fox would not make a good Wonder Woman. Donna Troy possibly, but Diana needs to be tall (6'+) and built like an Olympic athlete. She's an AMAZON for a reason.
The problem which I think is what was being pointed out, is that Hollywood's not likely to follow that line of reasoning, and more likely to use WW as an excuse to slot in the "hottie of the week" to rope in the demographic rather than do justice to the character.

Though it does raise an interesting question as to who's actually qualified to take on the role. I'm not up on Hollywood starlets so I don't know who'd be in the running, but I didn't think there's a huge pool of tall, strong, well-talented, and sufficiently-attractive-in-Hollywood-terms actresses out there. (I'd love to be proven wrong if anyone has any suggestions.)
 

MB202

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Nice. I didn't really know much about Wonder Woman, but then again, the same holds true for most other comic book superheroes.
 

Primus1985

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Bob....You really need to take a course in DC history bub.


The first Wonder Woman was Queen Hippolyta who had traveled back in time to the 1940's and taken up her daughters mantle after her actions lead to Diana's death..





Also...WTF her bracelets, tiara, and lasso where forged by the gods to protect her and where givin as rewards for her beating out all other amazons in combat. They wherent chains.
 

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Just goes to show, I think; you can make any character interesting if you give them a good writer who cares about telling the audience a great story.

There is nothing-absolutely nothing-wrong with Wonder Woman as a character. Now give her story to someone who gives a shit about her, pay them, and see what happens. I don't care if it's in animated format or a videogame or whatever. As long as the powers that be insist on dumbing her down, we will insist on not giving a fuck.
 

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I'd have to say, no, this wouldn't work as a movie.

Simply because a live-action Wonder Woman would look ridiculous. She works as a comicbook character, she works as an animated character, but a live-action one? Hmm-no.
Why Superman does (barely) and she doesn't I don't really know. All I know is when I see a live-action Wonder Woman, I have unnerving flashbacks to the Masters of the Universe movie.

Maybe the reason she got that odd make-over was to make her more acceptable as a live-action character.

If they want to make a Wonder Woman movie, make it animated or not at all.
 

Therumancer

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Great video all around this time. I knew quite a bit of that, but there were details I wasn't familiar with.

Honestly I think Wonder Woman sort of suffers from people trying to modernize the character a bit too much and turn it into some kind of icon for a form of feminism it arguably was never supposed to represent. I've mentioned the connection to the whole bondage/lesbian thing for a while, along with the simple fact that I think Wonder Woman would do better if she was say shifted to a Vertigo/Mature Audiences title (this does not have to mean outright porn though as people who read those labels can attest), and less time was spent trying to promote her as being iconic (when really she's iconic for being iconic rather than the character standing on it's own, sort of like people being famous for being famous. She's like the Kim Kashardigan of comics on a lot of levels). For a long time the attitude has seemed to try and make her like a Superman or Batman for girls/little girls, when that wasn't the idea. Getting "back to the basics" so to speak could very well lead to the character becoming popular on it's own merits, even if it isn't the crowd DC has been trying to appeal to.

Of course I haven't been following DC closely enough to know for sure they haven't already done this, but then again I'd be surprised if they did since marketing has rarely been one of their strong points.
 
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I always wanted(and by always I mean ever since the new costume came out) an updated costume to be more like, I dunno, hoplite armour? I was never bugged by the old costume, but then again, I read Witchblade growing up. You get jaded, dammit*! I never saw Diana as sexually appealing, and I never felt that the costume was titillating. (Oh yes, the Dark Age has a lot to answer for). As far as I am concerned, the only thing the old costume lacked was pteruges**.

Seriously though, although Marsten's views on female empowerment have aged (really, really, REALLY) badly, it must also be judged by the standards of the time. It was very contrarian, to say the least. And more importantly, Wonder Woman created a framework that allowed writers to write stories of strong women at a time when those frameworks didn't exist, dammit***! Of course, times have changed, and we rightly expect Wonder Woman's mythology to have changed with it. It would have been really bad today (Would have blown M:eek:M out of the water) but a superhero(ine) is always more than a single writer's work. Diana is mythology in more ways than one, she is interesting as a literary character mainly because of the entirety of her canon, that constantly shifting, quickly torn down and eternally rebuilt status quo.

To put it another way: Do you know who my favourite Marvel Superheroine is? Spider-girl! WHO IS NOT AN INDEPENDENT CHARACTER****,dammit!***** Superhero comics has few superheroines that is not either part of a team or tied to a male character. Diana has her own origin story, her own villains, brand recognition that is up there with the "guys", and that goes a long way dammit******!

*Dammit!
**The studded leather skirt used by greek warriors to protect their lower bodies.
***Dammit!
****Also, she will not receive any new storylines, and was never even a part of the main timeline, dammit*******!
*****Dammit!
******Dammit
*******Dammit!
 

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Looking back on the Wonder Woman origin story makes me think that the evil version of Wonder Woman, Superwoman in the animated justice league movie "Crisis on Two Earths" better represents the original thinking behind her character than the modern characterizations of her that I had been familiar with and bored by. So much of the Wonder Woman that I am familiar with is merely present on screen and doesn't offer much to the story, except as a way to refer to other details of her origin and demonstrate that she is more of an unwanted, amazon reject than a proud flag bearer of her kind.

This has convinced me to check out her recent animated movie. Hopefully without other characters consuming the focus of the writers, she will be able to stand out well on her own.