The Big Picture: Correctitude
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To add to that we're not even talking about the Norse gods we're talking about aliens pretending to be gods in a comic which frankly seem to change even major characters ideals on a whim.Migratingchimp said:
Except, in the Marvel Universe the Norse pantheon are not actually gods. They're an advance race of supermen.geoflo1024 said:
Everyone is up in arms about the casting of Idris Elba, but where's the outrage over the casting of the Asian actor? And why weren't people mad when Loki was a woman in the comics? The Thor of Marvel is NOT the Thor of Norse legends. They're simply loosely based on the premise.
And the argument of "Well, they were white Gods, for white people" is a terrible one to use. Consider that when people create a deity, they will, more than likely, base many of its features on what they know. That does not automatically make them correct. For example, If you look up images of Jesus, you see a white man. Yet, not only was Jesus a Jew, his ability to not stand out from a crowd (until he whipped out a miracle) would imply that he looked very much like the average citizen of that time/era - i.e. Middle Eastern. SO one could argue that a god can look however the believer wants them to look - so a black Norse god is no more crazy than a WASP-y Jesus born in the middle east to a pair of Jews.
Ultimate Fury does all the same things as 616 Fury. In fact, he's more of a tough bastard because Ultimates is all about ramping up the attitudes of the characters. The only reason behind using Jackson as a muse for this version was because the staff wanted to as they were big fans. The Ultimate universe is the universe where every character is turned into a raging asshole. So of course they were going to be some changes to his personality. EVERYONE got a personality tweak. Fury's is hardly any worse than Cap's.
Then you aren't all for free speech. This is why I don't think free speech actually exists, if it did, people could say all the jerkwad/douchebag things they wanted, and not only would nobody complain, but nobody would ever get offended in the first place.hurricanejbb said:
That doesn't even begin to make sense.Fangobra said:
Free Speech isn't about the right to be an asshole, and have your words not effect people. Free Speech only protects the speaker(s) from government censor. Naturally, that would only apply to the places that the gov't has control - as well as allows the concept of free speech to flourish.
This modern concept of Free Speech allowing people to run off at the mouth with no consequence is beyond stupid. Your right to free expression does not get to trample on another person's right to express themselves by telling you to piss off.
Free speech is always going to get hamstrung by the fact that in the real world societies only function trough niceness attributed and gained for each other. EI if everyone was a raging douchebag we wouldn't have this discussion, because their would be no society and thus no progress or culture to debate.Fangobra said:
I have never respected you as much as I do now, MovieBob. Keep on fighting the good fight. *salutes*
What about white, males being ignored on the waiting lists for jobs as Policemen and Firemen. Again this may be the PC Buster brigade you mentioned spouting complete bull but if its true its seems unfair to me. I mean I understand the need for civil services being relatable to their target comunity but it seems to be the complete opposite of equality to deny what is a life long ambition for some who generally just want to help.
I think alot of good was said here but like alot of arguments I thinks theres just as many dick heads on both sides.
I think alot of good was said here but like alot of arguments I thinks theres just as many dick heads on both sides.
Fucken Finally! Yes, thank you! I've had so many arguments with people thinking they were defending some group from the evils of politically incorrectness.
I laughed at the end. I have those boots ^^
I laughed at the end. I have those boots ^^
1) Some jerks use Anti-Political Correctness as a shield to hide their jerkyness.
2) Political correctness is used all the time as a weapon against people.
3) The only way society is going to get over bigotry is if it isn't the focus of our attention all the time. We need to be able to poke fun at each others expense and laugh about it. If I say "this video game is retarded", jumping on me about it for being insensitive to mentally handicapped people isn't making it better for them.
2) Political correctness is used all the time as a weapon against people.
3) The only way society is going to get over bigotry is if it isn't the focus of our attention all the time. We need to be able to poke fun at each others expense and laugh about it. If I say "this video game is retarded", jumping on me about it for being insensitive to mentally handicapped people isn't making it better for them.
All example nit-picking aside, the point I was trying to make was that Bob sounded very biased in this video. I rather like most everything Movie Bob does, but I have noticed that, when he talks about a "political" issues, he usually only argues one side while only giving passing mention to the problems the other side has. This doesn't jive with what Movie Bob usually does, since most of his movie reviews and other videos tend to be objective and all around fun, regardless of political ideology. However, videos like this give him the appearance to being a one-sided opinion show host, no different from Glenn Beck or Chris Mathews. (Just with the escapist instead of cable). Since I like Movie Bob, I don't want to classify his show like that. That's why I want him to avoid "bias" when ever it pops up, and why I dislike it so.Father Time said:
Anyhow, that's my 2 cents.
see, i agree with your point, don't get me wrong. in fact i think you summed that up pretty perfectly. it's the premise i was disagreeing with. i see no reason the N word SHOULD be universally offensive, nor any other word for that matter. otherwise what's the point in their existence? if you're trying to be offensive, you're being offensive. but i think it's your intention, not your words that should rule over that.THEJORRRG said:
There isn't anything wrong with having an opinion that leans towards one point of view over another. On top of that, Big Picture is his chance to soap box it up, and by their very nature, soap box type rants aren't going to be objective. Bias is only a troublesome thing when the person frames it as fact and/or absolute. Everyone has biases, to say otherwise is a flat out lie. Bob does a great job of owning up to his biases, and trying to see the other side of the argument - which is a lot more than people who are full out anti-PC would do for him.Clonekiller said:
I noticed that you're invoking the false equivalence that Bob has mentioned he hates. Mathews is not the equal of Beck. One rants and raves about his opinion, but isn't above letting others that don't agree with him make their point, while the other is on a crusade of demonizing the people he disagrees with. Not even the same boat, man.
Nice video and good stuff. Got kinda of confusing thought because it jumped around a lot. But from what I gather it sorta goes both ways. When someone tells an offensive joke and someone calls them on it and they reply its a joke and to not be a prude. That's hiding behind PC-iness, right? And when you say garbage man and some guy says "no, its sanitation engineer...", that's also PC-douchery, right? That's what I got from the video anyways...
Yay Bob! I'm truly heartened by all the support here, it's good to see that I'm not the only person who's sick of being potentially strawmanned for socially inclusive or progressive opinions.
What has always bothered me most about the negative use of "PC" is that the speaker is calling their target an insincere poser simply because of their assumption that nobody could be more fair-minded than they are. There are few people I admire more than arrogant reactionary whiners with persecution complexes.
Oh, and regarding Idris Elba in Thor: the Norse gods aren't human, they're gods - there's no reason why they should be the same ethnicity as Vikings when they aren't even the same species.
What has always bothered me most about the negative use of "PC" is that the speaker is calling their target an insincere poser simply because of their assumption that nobody could be more fair-minded than they are. There are few people I admire more than arrogant reactionary whiners with persecution complexes.
Oh, and regarding Idris Elba in Thor: the Norse gods aren't human, they're gods - there's no reason why they should be the same ethnicity as Vikings when they aren't even the same species.
This video wasn't that good. I'm all for working against racism and being politically correct in that respect, but PC has evolved beyond that. It has grown into a movement where if something could possibly make someone unhappy, sad, or angry, it will be regulated or will be prohibited. It isn't all about words or phrases anymore, it's all about feelings now.
Example: The poor kids at the school might get sad that they can't have the food that some kids bring to school, well let's make it so that other students can't bring the food that their parents buy for them. Also, we can't have rewards for good work in school because it will make the failures sad because they get nothing, or well we can't remove rewards, so to make it so nobody is sad, we will give rewards to both the successful and the failures.
Bob usually does very well with the subjects he chooses for his videos, but this video doesn't fit with the title of "The Big Picture", because it was just a side area of PC, not the subject as a whole.
Example: The poor kids at the school might get sad that they can't have the food that some kids bring to school, well let's make it so that other students can't bring the food that their parents buy for them. Also, we can't have rewards for good work in school because it will make the failures sad because they get nothing, or well we can't remove rewards, so to make it so nobody is sad, we will give rewards to both the successful and the failures.
Bob usually does very well with the subjects he chooses for his videos, but this video doesn't fit with the title of "The Big Picture", because it was just a side area of PC, not the subject as a whole.
Really well covered if not explicit in all areas, political correctness is to do with terms and not with equality, which could have been explained better.
but otherwise - massive like.
but otherwise - massive like.