The Big Picture: In Defense of "Booth Babes" (sort of)
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A good summary of the problem with "Booth Babes". Can't really think of anything you left out.
I've noticed that, increasingly, I disagree with your film reviews, but The Big Picture is at minimum food for thought and usually quite insightful, as was the case today.
I've noticed that, increasingly, I disagree with your film reviews, but The Big Picture is at minimum food for thought and usually quite insightful, as was the case today.
Good questions.
Too bad I don't really have any answers. Let's hope Beyond Good and Evil has some sort of future influence on a future game designer.
Too bad I don't really have any answers. Let's hope Beyond Good and Evil has some sort of future influence on a future game designer.
I suspect that the "They are clearly not into it" attitude is a case of people projecting onto others. "They are being paid to be there so clearly they are not into it or else they wouldn't need to be paid to be there" or something similar.
Although that said, being hired to do a job doesn't necessarily mean that you do care about it. I sincerely doubt most people working in McDonalds seriously give a damn whether or not you want fries with that, but if it pays, then people are going to be willing to do it. Some models may simply want some work experience on their CV, and to be honest there is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps they see it as a stepping stone to an area of modelling they are passionate about.
I don't have anything against them, but they don't really serve any positive purpose for the most part. They seem to make both guys and girls quite uncomfortable more than anything. The guys because they feel like they are being treated as horny teenagers who will buy something because of boobs, and girls because they can make them feel like outsiders.
I just cannot really see what would be lost by not having them at conventions when it comes down to it. Unless they are cosplaying as characters from a game they are promoting or something, but from what I have seen, that doesn't seem to be the most common situation where they are hired.
Although that said, being hired to do a job doesn't necessarily mean that you do care about it. I sincerely doubt most people working in McDonalds seriously give a damn whether or not you want fries with that, but if it pays, then people are going to be willing to do it. Some models may simply want some work experience on their CV, and to be honest there is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps they see it as a stepping stone to an area of modelling they are passionate about.
I don't have anything against them, but they don't really serve any positive purpose for the most part. They seem to make both guys and girls quite uncomfortable more than anything. The guys because they feel like they are being treated as horny teenagers who will buy something because of boobs, and girls because they can make them feel like outsiders.
I just cannot really see what would be lost by not having them at conventions when it comes down to it. Unless they are cosplaying as characters from a game they are promoting or something, but from what I have seen, that doesn't seem to be the most common situation where they are hired.
I do dislike being preached at.
But I also do not go to conventions because I hate people and despise large gatherings. That these trade shows have been opened to the public disgusts me, in fact. The only people that have any business being there are professionals.
As for models of all stripes, I have a hard time taking that seriously as a career. I do know that sitting around getting your picture taken is exhausting from my wedding photo shoot and I also really hate being the center of attention. But even then, the job is just looking good or at least appealing, which is not exactly the same thing. I can understand the suicide rate among models because, were I one, I'd kill myself because I would view myself as an empty vessel with no talent or skill beyond getting people to like me.
As for booth babes themselves, I don't think the term is going anywhere because alliteration is catchy and so long as the general public is allowed at trade shows, what appeals to the unwashed plebs will stick. But if I ever found myself in a position to have a booth at one of these shows, i would hire women and men to stand around in tight t-shirts and short shorts. Equal opportunity objectification, that's me.
But I also do not go to conventions because I hate people and despise large gatherings. That these trade shows have been opened to the public disgusts me, in fact. The only people that have any business being there are professionals.
As for models of all stripes, I have a hard time taking that seriously as a career. I do know that sitting around getting your picture taken is exhausting from my wedding photo shoot and I also really hate being the center of attention. But even then, the job is just looking good or at least appealing, which is not exactly the same thing. I can understand the suicide rate among models because, were I one, I'd kill myself because I would view myself as an empty vessel with no talent or skill beyond getting people to like me.
As for booth babes themselves, I don't think the term is going anywhere because alliteration is catchy and so long as the general public is allowed at trade shows, what appeals to the unwashed plebs will stick. But if I ever found myself in a position to have a booth at one of these shows, i would hire women and men to stand around in tight t-shirts and short shorts. Equal opportunity objectification, that's me.
Wow, not even 3 posts in and we already have White knight being tossed around. The gaming community already has problems with female representation and interaction as is and having these models may not make it better. While I will agree to classing up the joint and making the place more inclusive, I would argue that these models have a right to exist and that some people do treat them badly.
I don't have many solutions beside full blown reeducation on manners and how to treat women like people: replace the logo shirts with cosplays of characters (take emphasis away from the TnA and on to the actual game assets), have more security patrols around to intervene against harassment, keep alcohol well clear of the showplace and present entry to anyone drunk. These however are all solutions to outward synonyms and not internal issues as that issue is far more engrained and will require sunlight and interaction.
P.S. anyone who uses a white knight allegation loses the argument in my book as you are resorting to simple logical fallacies and prove yourself incapable of forming rational counteraugments. Also, if anyone wishes to put me on the spot for some fallacy or lack of information, do so and I will try to argue my point better.
I don't have many solutions beside full blown reeducation on manners and how to treat women like people: replace the logo shirts with cosplays of characters (take emphasis away from the TnA and on to the actual game assets), have more security patrols around to intervene against harassment, keep alcohol well clear of the showplace and present entry to anyone drunk. These however are all solutions to outward synonyms and not internal issues as that issue is far more engrained and will require sunlight and interaction.
P.S. anyone who uses a white knight allegation loses the argument in my book as you are resorting to simple logical fallacies and prove yourself incapable of forming rational counteraugments. Also, if anyone wishes to put me on the spot for some fallacy or lack of information, do so and I will try to argue my point better.
and yet we still have issues about it so it's worth talking about if perhaps in a more constructed debate. Honestly, a soupbox is something designed to force debate among ourselves so let's do this and consider both the models and the conventions in the conversation.Monxeroth said:
I'm similar of opinion, we do need to have people act more professional in these conventions and act with dignity towards actual humans but at the same time, how open the trade shows are to public viewing is dependent on the organizers only so unless we start making a giant mess of it, it won't change quickly.the antithesis said:
I have a feeling that a few of the models think this way and probably only do it to get a bit extra money. Still, imagine being harassed by a significant amount of people and not being able to do anything about like retort back unless you want to possibly lose your job and you can get a idea of the difficulty.
Just say models, people, it's slightly more accurate and shorter so just quit it with the BB. As for my booth design. I would have men and women present but not in objectifying outfits but in outfits taken from the game itself (with modifications for public decency), that way, people will be drawn to the booth all the same but not because of excessive TnA but because of "hey, this character looks interesting, I want to check the game out to see what world he/she is in and how the person plays). It's a matter of drawing people to the game not the physical anatomy
*sighs*
we really are getting a LOT of 'common sense' content lately, it's getting kinda depressing.
we really are getting a LOT of 'common sense' content lately, it's getting kinda depressing.
The video lost the rest of its already shaky credibility on 7:05 with "everyone's favourite lesbian lumberjack." (The majority was lost underway, including on some creative characterizations of MovieBob, although he himself is not always the most delicate in avoiding name calling.)Monxeroth said:
Damn, I did not see that post before after posting. I might be wasting my time here.Izzyisme said: