The Big Picture: Magneto Was Right

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

My only gripe: I liked "My Name Is Earl".

Even the show's basic concept was off-base (the common Hollywood version of Karma), but it was funny and had a (mostly) positive message for people.

It could have just been a cutaway gag, but that's my two cents.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

Huh, interesting points. Not sure who's side I'd be on. On the one hand, I genuinely believe in having a world where everyone gets along (even though that's pretty much impossible)...

...On the other hand, getting revenge on those who wronged us sounds like fun.

But yeah, I like being different from everyone else. I admit to liking some of the low-brow humor out there (like Jackass and The Blue Collar Comedy Tour)... But on the whole, I'm wishing for smarter stuff out there.

If I may quote Green Day:

I wanna be the minority!/I don't need your authority!/Down with the moral majority!/'Cause I wanna be the minority!

 

[DarkSpectre]

hmm it must have been a longggg time since you were in high school..that shit hardly ever happened, if it did, it was once every pink moon (which never fucking happens)

there was one time when your more than average nerds were in the library (they were some freshman and sophmore i think, i didn't recognize them at the time) , and they were being made fun from some more jockish kind of kids, and i told the kids to shut the fuck up or see me outside later to get a beating and they backed off. the nerds look dumbfounded at how this worked, but i just went about my day and none of that shit ever happened again (at least on my watch!)

but i always have, and always will, join the x-men, i would with all my power, stop people like you from trying to 1 UP normal humans for just being normal. thats not going to solve anything other than more suffering, so prepare to have adversaries, movie bob.

"With great power comes great responsibility."
I am with you here mate. I choose to be a sheepdog rather than a wolf. My intellect and strength I use to prevent oppression and tyranny. Using your brain to oppress and take revenge against the physical oppressors makes no better than them. If it was wrong for them to do it to you it is wrong for you to do it to them. I'll stand up and defend the oppressed until the moment they become the oppressors and then may God have mercy on their souls.

 

[rutger5000]

Are you kidding me? Have you seen Wolverine? No way I'm going against that guy. I like my limbs were they are, thank you.
Seriously though I don't believe there ever has been a superior people or that there ever will. Yes some humans have been superior to others, and yes occasionally they became leaders, and for a duration of time one people can seem superior to another. But for me it's not the people being superior, but the leaders. It could chance in a second. Look at India and Pakistan, under the leadership of Ghandi they were the moral-wise the greatest people of their century, then Ghandi died. Now they are just as lame as any other people, even fighting amongst themselves.
That is why I would not side with Magneto because of the "Mutants are superior" thing. Because in any relevant way they are not. I would side with Magneto if I would fight clean, and the normal humans would fight dirty, that's were I base my choice on. If both sides fight dirty I would fight against both.
Owh and about why nerds/geeks get bullied. Simple answer, not of any supposed or real superiority, but because they are an easy target. Some people like to bully and most people don't have the balls not to go along with it. So easy targets get bullied. This is why you are unlikely to be physically bullied is you are six feet something and strong enough to lift up the bullies and throw them away. Emotional bullying however is still likely to occur, because emotionally a strong nerd/geek is just as easy to bully as a weak one.

 

[Ashoten]

Also there's Family Guy, which almost amazingly has even more contempt for its viewers: especially conservatives, Christians, and others who don't conform to Seth McFarlane's liberal ideologies. Never mind how Peter was reduced to an utter impressinoable moron or how Lois is now an irresponsible nympho or how Chris is barely there or how Meg jokes have become sad or even how Stewie was changed from an effeminate mad scientist with world domination aspirations to a walking talking unfunny gay stereotype. It's how Brian has turned into a mouthpiece for McFarlane; an insufferable liberal atheist douchebag that gives atheists and liberals all over a bad name.

Yeah I haven't watched Family Guy for a while for these reasons. I kept waiting for jokes but all I was hearing was "Conservatives are stupid and if you don't agree with me you must be stupid too!"

The thing is, after Sarah Palin, it's not surprising that the one thing on which the entire world agrees is that republicans aren't exactly the brightest lot (on average). If US conservatives renounced her, then maybe people would change their minds, but anybody who actually listens to her or Glenn Beck deserves everything he gets.

O damn I better start making fun of Sarah Palin like ever no talent comedian since 2007. I better agree with the majority so I'm not burned at the stake for blasphemy. "SARCASM"!!
Btw I find it painfully hypocritical that many Liberals and conservatives on the extremes have no tolerance for any opinion other then their own(Stares at Archangel357). You know...since both sides preach "TOLERANCE".

 

[SamElliot'sMustache]

Based off of the title and some of the comments in this thread, I went into this video ready to write off any future Movie Bob articles and videos, thinking this was going to be some "Rah Rah: Nerds are Great, Everyone Else Sucks" manifesto. Glad I was wrong, as you were suprisingly honest and fair about the whole notion of bullying being strange to begin with, and that the 'reaction fantasy' of the bullied is just that, a fantasy.

As for the question you posed: while Magneto's 'get back at the oppressors' ideal is understandable, if not downright tempting, at the end of the day it is wrong. The best in-universe example of that is the "Planet X" arc from Grant Morrison's Nex X-Men run, where Magneto, amongst other things, took over Manhatten and began murdering hundreds of New Yorkers similarly to how the Jews and other minorities were murdered during the Holocaust (meanwhile letting his makeshift mutant army wallow in filth and starvation after he practically blew up the city). It showed him to be little more than a cruel bastard, and underscored why the philosophy of the X-Men is right. So, if it were still me in your proposed universe, I'd pick the Xavier camp.

P.S.: Got to love the people in this thread trying to justify bullying by saying that nerds deserve it for being smug, passive aggressive, etc.*, though my personal favorite was the guy screaming "AND WE ALL FUCKING DESERVED IT" (grr, angry), since it pretty much endorses the defense mechanism of pretty much every rapist/serial killer/pundit ever. Way to dumb down the conversation, and culture in general, morons.

*Personal anecdote: During one of my seminars back in high school, I was drawing in my notebook, and chatting with a friend of mine, minding my own damn business, when some kid who I didn't know, had never met, and had done nothing to came over to me, pointed at my drawing, and said "Iron Giant is gay, and so are you." When I informed him that I wasn't drawing Iron Giant (it was Mega Man), he said "You're still gay," and walked away (my friend and I pretty much chuckled about this and went back to ignoring him). I suppose by minding my own business and not bothering anyone, I deserved that attempt at bullying, huh?

 

[WolfenD]

I would be on Magneto's team because i've being abused by the humans why would I use my powers to help the people who harmed me?

BTW I am one of those people who doesn't belong in any category of the bully specturm because I'm: a fighter, goth, nerd, bi, playboy and popular but I don't get bullied for that I get bullied for the people who I hang around with. One of them is fat and another one is just crazy Strange ie to put it simply by myself I'm one of the popular kids, with my freinds I'm unpopular.

 

[LackingSaint]

..Really? I kind of liked your points Bob, but that last thing, about how you'd choose to put misery on others because of your own inner torments?.. That's Bullying, Bob.

 

[Danpascooch]

Woh Bob, I'm sure I didn't just hear you make fun of Michael Jordan. That man went through so much hardship to get where he is today.

This is so true, just because he is in sports doesn't make his life any more or less important than bill gates.

And this is coming from someone who hates sports and decrys the lack of recognition that scientists are given.

Who has had more of an impact on society? Bill Gates, or Michael Jordan?

It's not even close.

I'm not saying Michel jordan has had more of an effect on socity (although to say he has had no effect at all is naive) i mean i'm working on windows 7 OS, nuff said.

But every though i don't think bob ment to insult michel jordan, he was kinda imlying that his live was worthless compared to bill gates.

I mean yes in the long run what bill gates has done will have more of an effect on socity and sports are taken a little to seriously, but they are both people and i don't think any life is worth more than the other.

Well, saying everyone is special and important is a nice sentiment, but in the long run, he IS useless compared to Bill Gates, and so are you, and so am I

 

[warm slurm]

AND WE ALL FUCKING DESERVED IT.

Why the fuck hasn't this douche been banned? I hope nobody reads this shit and thinks they deserve it if they're being bullied. Seriously raging right now. The kids who commit suicide because they're tormented and bullied every day DO NOT deserve that shit, you ****.

 

[370999]

Interesting video. It would be tempting, but I don't think I'd be on Magnetos side. If simply because Xaviers side has a guy with unbreakable bones and claws that can only be killed by drowning.

Also, Bob, you should TOTALLY cover Marvel Civil War next.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I think we should all make a pact to never ever ever mention it ever again. Maybe God will decide to delete it if we all wish hard enough for it's non-existence.

WE HAVE TO DO IT MAN! WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT! IT'LL JUST KEEP TEARING US APART UNLESS WE LET IT ALL OUT!

Seriously though, what a bloody shamble Civil War was. The only way they could have turned Stark and the pro-reg side even worse is to give them all little Hitler moustaches.

ESPECIALLY that S.H.I.E.L.D. woman. You know the one. The one that actually orders the soldiers to fire on Captain America.

It's a shame as the concept was kinda cool, it's just one side was made into massive dicks and Cap became Retard McRetardson. For the record I would of been Pro-reg. Don't hate me.

 

[CAPTAIN N]

I think i would probably become a mix. I am without a doubt a good guy but if i had a chance to take action against all the idiots i have encounted i would love to teach them a lesson for life.

 

[funguy2121]

Bob is so brilliant. I wonder if he meant to compare Ayn Rand with Ed Gein

And, for the record, I'd still be on the side of the X-men.

Bob, get out of my head!

 

[Siege_TF]

If he's brilliant he would have realized that nerds are persecuted because they say things like "M.J. is treated like an American hero for bouncing a ball."

 

[Ritter315]

I find this entire pontification being arrogent, again something you've been doing on The Big Picture for a while now, being arrogent. First of all, technically in the vast social standing, I guess you could call me and my friends weirdos or nerds whatever, we all play video games, watch strange movies, hell we even had yu-gi-oh/magic set up games at lunch, and this is in High School and all of us had experienced our share of outcast-ness and bulling even at lower levels. Now for me personally, I found at an early age that the only way to prevent this, is to stick together; this isnt the Magneto side you're talking about its more of simply a protection system, others back up the one and this is the system most humans take to when they're attacked as a group.
Also, bullines has NOTHING to do with the bully's somehow being a hive mind of society, anaologus to incests ganging up and killing another insect who wasn't part of that perticular colony. In fact I find the term, bully to be redundent. THe truth is, everyone on earth has been bullied somehow and MOST of us have BEEN bullies. And you could deny that but admitingly, we've all had a bad day and messed with someone else just because we could. I've done it, my friends have done it, Bob, YOU'VE done it and so has every other nerd, nerds can and sometimes ARE bullies, even to each other, eveyr social group has.
Yes, some nerds are superior to bulliess, but not all like the popular culture suggests.
As for the modern adult world perspective you talked about: Yes, some artists ARE disturbed. Ex. A picture of a Jesus-rendering, covered in ants. Some art, doesnt deserve to be passed off as art another Ex. Body art, AKA full body tattos.
Also ,"anti-intellectualism=Creationist Museum" WOW! Real mature Bob. This is what I mean by everyone can be a bully, Creationism is today a different worldview, its still a valid and understable one just so long as the person in question can provide reasoning to WHY they believe what they believe, and as long as someone can do that, they should be able to believe what they want to without being bullied for their ideas. Adding to that, homosexuality is austrizied because it is biologically (Lets say that spiritually is wrong, I'm not saying it is or isnt mind) humans are somewhat uncomfortable by homosexuality. So, no. Its not any religions fault that, its just humanity in general.
So Bob, even here you can demonstrate your capacity for being a bully, somewhat, as well as someone who doesnt really think about all the facts and opinions before you do these videos.
I think that the majority of nerds, if they actually think this should grow up and stop thinking that they were bullied because they were better, because being bullied doesnt make you a victem, or superior or anything like that. ANd Being a bully doesnt make you a hive mind, or a monster. They both just make you human. is that ok for you Bob?

 

[Korolev]

Speaking as someone who wasn't bullied at all during school or thereafter (and I got lucky because I am the exact type of person who typically gets bullied), but who has observed bullying in the work place and school, I know EXACTLY why people do get bullied:

Because the Bullies think they can!

It doesn't matter how tall you are, what you like or even what skin-colour you are these days. You WILL be bullied, if the bully thinks that they can. If they think that you are unpopular or weak-willed, they will descend like vultures to tear at you.

Many things tip off a Bully to thinking that he/she has found another victim - body language, musculature, and the amount of friends are all indicators that tip off the bully into thinking "aha, is this my next victim?". During my school years, the people who were bullied were ALWAYS the people who had:

1) The least amount of friends
2) The softest, quietest or highest-pitched voice
3) A posture that indicated timidity and social awkwardness

I was lucky - I had no friends, I have a very soft, rather high-pitched voice and I'm socially awkward. For some reason, I was never bullied. I can't explain it. Everyone just ignored me or were polite but distant to me. Maybe it was because I made it a habit of never really reacting to threats the way most people thought I would, or being emotionally unpredictable.

Regardless - Bullies want to dominate. They don't really care about race or class or anything like that - bullies come from all over the globe and from all social classes. Hell, in my school, some of the WORST bullies (who were later expelled) were Indian students. Don't get the wrong idea, most of the Indian students in my school were great people, but the worst one I knew personally was an Indian guy who was frankly, absolutely awful, and his shtick was to use race to pick on people (despite suffering from racism himself). And most of the bullies from my school (or at least, the ones who beat up people) were from lower-income families (the emotionally abusive ones were from the rich families).

Bullies want to dominate and harass other people, because, frankly, some people are just jerks. Some people genuinely get a kick out of seeing other people suffering - hell, look at the SS, who lived and breathed a code of pure violence and hate, and loved it. Some people are just plain mean spirited bastards who want to see you suffer because they derive enjoyment out of it. It doesn't depend on race, creed or body shape - it depends on whether or not they think you're a soft target. Now that's depressing, but that's the truth.

 

[lokiduck]

Brilliant episode I must say.

I was abused in elementary School, the kids picked on me and called me names and I really hated school during that period. But then I jumped into the arms of a special program for kids who think out side the box, I got away from those kids and I found my place. Years later in High school, I saw those same kids and they were really nice and mature. So some people are different and will mature with time.


But you were really right. Maybe the reason we like the concept of powers or even Zombies for that mature is the concept of having the power to seek revenge or finally say "Look I am better than you!" For a while I wanted to become famous just so I could show those people who picked on me that I was a person capable of doing things, but meeting them in high school again, I realized they had moved on and maybe I should too. Course I showed them when ever we played Dodgeball. My entire High school career I only got hit out once. I was the master dodger and even when I was the last person on my team, I never went out.

Now how to use that ability in real life XD

 

[Abriel]

I'd like to say I'd be on the Xavier side but the Magneto side would be VERY tempting considering how much I was bullied, and how brutually.

I'd probably end up acting like I'm on the X side but not for altruistic reasons. For me it'd probably be more of a "I'll show them by killing them with kindness and being a better person than they!" type of thing.