The Big Picture: Once Upon a Time in The Future

jspheonix

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I disagree about the genie metaphor but on the whole I agree with you. The world's grown cynical and bitter, as itsjustsomerandomguy once put it "Nobody wants to look up anymore... They don't want to crane there necks." Absolutely damn right its pathetic. People would rather watch a reality show where they can look down at someone then hope for the future.
 

Dansrage

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Thank you Bob!
I have to admit i lost a little respect for Bob with the Halo rant, but now he's back in my good books. It's a fucking crime that the US space program has basically been abandoned while the US Military was given 600billion dollars last year alone. With 10% of that money we could fund a Mars mission.
The EU have laughable space programs, Russia's is as retro as possible without falling apart, and as for the rest of the world i'm not sure. As Bob suggested, lets hope India or China can get to Mars.
 

Pyro Paul

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vodkainferno said:
Really, I agree that the Space program should not be our top priority.
And Its not because of the poor. But the US has a 14 TRILLION dollar debt going on... I don't think spending billions so we can colonize mars would really help that....
Yes, lets largely ignore the 14 TRILLION dollar Precious metal deposits on an astral body and have the chance to have SOLE RIGHTS and CAPABILITY to mine and process it... obviously searching worlds full of untapped resources and untouched minerals is such a low priority because space exploration, which has less then a quarter of a precent budget, is 'too expensive in this economy'.
 

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happyelf said:
You know what happened to 'us', bob? We became a civilisation of whinging selfish manchildren who think that mars missions and ipods are more important than feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, or dealing with the huge global disasters that are looming in our near future.
No, we just became idiots which feel like we can solve such mundane problems with direct involvement in a meager attempt to stroke our egos and feel better about our selves because we can announce 'I'm Helping!' on the world stage.

do you really think sending rice and medical aid to the starving, dying, sick individuals in some nation a world away is acctually going to, in any way, solve that problem?

exspecially when you consider a majority of the places we send these things to are that way because a tyranical government has constructed the nation to be that way...
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
Poor Bob.

It fell out of the media spotlight, Bob. That's all that happened. The media would rather give Justin Beiber a music award, or show pictures of racist right-wing idiots, or talk about how to shop safely on Black Friday.
Not all right wingers are racists idiots. I'm not racists, I hate everyone equally. I am sad to see the space program dismantled.
 

Dzikun

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Dear Bob.

You want to know what happened? Socialism happened.

Dzikun

p.s I share the same opinion. Colonies on Mars > world peace.
 

rileyrulesu

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About a year ago, my dad and I were determined to see a shuttle launch before it happened. we live about 3 hours away from the kennedy space center. we went 4 times and every time it got scrubbed. we spent a total of 24 hours in the car and over $400 on tickets hotels, and gas trying to try to see this, all for naught. we still would have gone to more to try but every time, something was in the way. So yeah, I am angry about it ending you're not the only on bob, don't worry, i've been angry too, but still, nothing I can do can help.
 

theevilsanta

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I'm with you Bob. Seeing a manned voyage to Mars is probably the #1 thing I hope humanity does in my lifetime.

edit - I mean humanity has to colonize the stars at some point if we want our species to survive more than a million years or so (I do, I guess some don't). Mass extinction happens, manmade or not. The only way to survive is to colonize a plethora of earths.
 

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Let China or India (preferably India) work about space. Both of those countries could use a big accomplishment like that for some kudos in the international world. USA, Russia, the UK, France. All of them have had their legendary moments on the world stage. How about letting two of the oldest civilizations have a "return to glory" while the states gets their act together and decides what in Columbus's name they want to do with the numerous wars (metaphorical and literal) they are fighting.

India colonizes the moon, America plays Tech Support FOR THEM (for a change).
 

hermit purple

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Not sure if someone has mentioned this, but Neil deGrasse Tyson has pointed out a critical reason why a space program is necessary.

Check out the video:
http://bigthink.com/ideas/13152

If you stop innovation, you stop progress. You stop attracting smart people to your country. Now, I'm not American, so if America falls behind, it doesn't really matter to me. But it's good to know what innovation means in practical term.

Dr Tyson also pointed out that space program also helps us learn about our own planet. For example, by studying green house effect on Venus, we may know how to prevent it on Earth.

The saddest thing is not that space program has been cut, but rather the fact that doing something great, like going to Mars, requires more incentive than scientific curiosity or because it's a good challenge. History has shown that any great undertaking has been driven by religion, war, or financial gain. Unless humanity change in a big way, we're not going to Mars until one of the above criteria can be filled. You know, if they found oil on Mars, we'll be there next month...
 

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Well, according to my interpretation of the new rules, I am not allowed to criticize the hard work done by Movie Bob, even though he has admitted he doesn't do research. I DO do research, and I had a well thought out argument with many provable points, but I guess I will just say I disagree with Bob's thoughts on this subject. I really like Bob, but I feel he doesn't see the "Big Picture" on this one. While I am disappointed with some of these new rules, The Escapist is a private company that can implement whatever restrictions they want, and Bob is entitled to his opinion. I just disagree with him, and the fact that I am not allowed to cite why. I am going to go listen to some Arch Enemy and rage quietly now.
 

Shirokurou

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Russia launched the first man into space, BTW. And the space program is still there, launching crews into orbit.

So be sure Bob, space is safe with us...
 

stan573

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Bob, I can't understand how you can miss the huge hypocrisy you used in this video. I mean, you're a smart guy and you produce great content, but I get the feeling you don't have a mortgage.

Here, I'll try to make this simple: Saying you'd have your sci-fi fantasies made real at the expense of not dealing with other people's very real and immediate needs is the exact same bullshit "me-first" attitude that caused the financial meltdown, and in turn the situation that forced the budget cut in the first place.

If that was too harsh, let me rephrase this in a more nerdy way.

We'll never have Starfleet by putting technology ahead of people- that's what the Borg do.
 

Devling

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*sniff* That is the one thing that was my hope for an entirly safe future. 'Cause if we started learning home to live on mars then we could just build a giant robotic forest, with every spieces on earth. THEN I'm sure we could build space station and have a sustainable country IN SPACE. Not even on a planet, That means we would have infinte room to expand and grow! Natural desasters would barely effect us! What next, HYPER SPACE?!?! God damn, the possiblites.
 

Devling

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stan573 said:
Bob, I can't understand how you can miss the huge hypocrisy you used in this video. I mean, you're a smart guy and you produce great content, but I get the feeling you don't have a mortgage.

Here, I'll try to make this simple: Saying you'd have your sci-fi fantasies made real at the expense of not dealing with other people's very real and immediate needs is the exact same bullshit "me-first" attitude that caused the financial meltdown, and in turn the situation that forced the budget cut in the first place.

If that was too harsh, let me rephrase this in a more nerdy way.

We'll never have Starfleet by putting technology ahead of people- that's what the Borg do.
But, if this technology is made then room on earth will be a long gone problem, and who says that were going to suddenly stop caring about everybody. It's not like we're going to throw babys or something into the lava pit to power the hyper-toture-kill-people-to-go-to-place machine. But we still have a dream to be totally awesome in space. Fair enough?
 

stan573

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Devling said:
stan573 said:
Bob, I can't understand how you can miss the huge hypocrisy you used in this video. I mean, you're a smart guy and you produce great content, but I get the feeling you don't have a mortgage.

Here, I'll try to make this simple: Saying you'd have your sci-fi fantasies made real at the expense of not dealing with other people's very real and immediate needs is the exact same bullshit "me-first" attitude that caused the financial meltdown, and in turn the situation that forced the budget cut in the first place.

If that was too harsh, let me rephrase this in a more nerdy way.

We'll never have Starfleet by putting technology ahead of people- that's what the Borg do.
But, if this technology is made then room on earth will be a long gone problem, and who says that were going to suddenly stop caring about everybody. It's not like we're going to throw babys or something into the lava pit to power the hyper-toture-kill-people-to-go-to-place machine. But we still have a dream to be totally awesome in space. Fair enough?
And how will we get that technology? There's no money, and there are plenty of people in immediate danger of losing their homes. It would be pretty damn heartless to tell those people to suck it up and wait for the future to fix everything while they're out on the street.
 

Frostryu

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No offence, but shouldnt finding more places to put people take presedence overmaking even more people?

I mean, if we can at least build colonies in orbit around earth, we could at least cut back on our overpopulation problem, if not cure it.

For other reasons why we need to focus more on the stars then ourselves, check out my previous post

i think its back on page three or four