The Big Picture: PC Gaming Is Dead - Long Live PC Gaming!


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Sep 14, 2010
Just gotta throw in my 2 cents.

I've played every console and handheld (and even recent touchpads) since nintendo. I've also played PC games and used PC's since nintendo days as well.

PC's win, end of story. Why? Keyboard and mouse.

and I love my consoles, dont get my wrong, but the only reason I buy them is to play the games that don't come out on PC.

All that stuff about wii and move doing what PC can do is just false. Metroid on wii cannot replace FPS on mouse + keyboard, even the move playing killzone 3 cant even come close (even though it is still better then the regular controllers).

And then you talk about being able to install word on the 360. First of all, you cant, but even if you COULD, how are you going to utilize that program? you will need a keyboard DEFINATELY, and at that point, probably a mouse too. want to select a specific word without it taking 10x longer then it should? MOUSE.

Touch pads are just starting to realize how much they just dont fit into a serious PC market, and now the ipads come w/ covers that prop your screen upright and sell portable keyboards to go with it, hell why not a mouse too. at that point your touch pad, IS A PC. touchpads do something unique and they should embrace that, but really they aren't going to replace PC's until they have some that FUNCTIONS better.

The truth is, until something comes out for controlling OS software that is BETTER then a keyboard and mouse, PC's and PC gaming will thrive, and even at that point, PC's would probably adopt those new controls into PC's, so really, I cant see PC's dying anytime soon. Also, Gabe Newell's bank account would like to say something about "PC gaming being dead". In fact, PC gaming probably hasn't been in a greater position then it is right now thanks to steam.


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Aug 26, 2010
Justin1221 said:
This feels oddly saddening, yet exciting at the same time.

Does this mean it will be pointless to get a gaming PC in the near-future? I mean, if I no longer need one, that great, but it would suck if my parents FINALLY got me one by the time HAVING one is pointless.
If what he's saying does go through it won't be something that takes place over night. I'm no expert on how business runs but I'd say there's just too many people who are exclusively developing for the PC for it to happen for many many years. When people have the option to play WoW on the Ipad (legitimately) then you'll know.


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Jun 29, 2009
I believe the opposite. A laptop is still a computer just smaller. I also believe with things like steam, GoG, Games for windows, and Direct to drive all still out there and turning a profit that Pc gaming isn't going anywhere. I mean nearly every household has a decent computer. The fact it takes up a space in the house means its quickly becoming the next T.V and with things like youtube, and netflix and other entertainment sites will soon replace the T.V.

With computers getting smaller and more powerful where even laptops can play top quality games, hopeful the personal computer will be able to centralizer everything we do. Work, gaming, reading, and various Internet things. Any who my two cents.


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Aug 24, 2010
moviebob is absolutely correct, the only things pc can do that a console can't is total-war type rts due to lack of precision and MMO because of lack of power, both of which could be done in the next generation of consoles.

I'm not a fanboy, I love my RTSes as much as the next guy but this really is the future


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Dec 10, 2008
Laxman9292 said:
And out of that list of PC exclusives how many do people truly care about or even recognize? Out of your whole post about the exclusives I only legitimately knew about 12 or 13 games. And I cared about maybe 2 or 3 (Old Republic FTW). most of the games that will make money are on the console, and developers know that. Thats why more and more developers are shying away from PC exclusives for their triple-A titles in lieu of multiplatform titles that reach a broader audience.
That all depends on your perspective. There is probably very little that would distract the ignorant console-tards from whatever Fat Space marines in Power Armor game Activision or Epic are currently trying to sell you.

However I personally can say I am excited about: (And no Copy/Pasta this time)

Shogun II: Total War

Total War is a series that simply could not happen on the console. It makes the absolutely most out of current gen GPU's and CPU's. Shogun was the game that started it all and I am hoping that Shogun 2 will be a return to form for Creative Assembly after the abortion that was Empire/Napoleon.

Age of Empires Online

Age of Empires is a legendary PC title and I look forward to seeing how they go about turning it into an MMORTS.


Defensive of the Ancients spawned a new genre of RTS and DOTA2 is being done by Valve, so it should be both polished and awesome.

King Arthur II

Paradox (Who are awesome) helped publish a rather unique and interesting RTS, much akin to Total War with Spells. This should be pretty awesome, but certainly a niche appeal game.

Sword of the Stars II

The original was great and 4X games are another one of those things that consoles simply do not do well, if at all.

The Sims Medieval

PC Sims kick ass. Console Sims come off like the mildly retarded cousin you take to the school dance and hope no one finds out about.

A Game of Thrones: Genesis

GAME. OF. THRONES. Its the fantasy equivalent of Firefly in terms of brilliant setting and die hard fan base. If this doesn't excite you... Read a book. []

Pirates of the Black Cove

Pirates are the chosen people of god. Paradox are one of the single greatest and innovative Publishers in the industry who take amazing risks and bring us very unique IP's.

A Pirate MMORTS supported by Paradox? Yes please.

Stronghold 3

Its Stronghold. Its a classic, like Pac Man... C'mon!


Indie = Good
Turn-based tactical game = Fun
Inspired heavily by X-COM = Awesome

X-Com is the shit. Not this remake bull they are doing, but real X-Com, Hell yeah!

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II ? Retribution

Was great! Relic are the fathers of RTS as we known it.

Trapped Dead

I have been meaning to check this out. Commandos was awesome and while the Zombie angle is a bit played out the game looked solid. It was on sale from Impulse last week but I didn't pick it up. Something I now kinda regret.

Diablo 3

I would sell someone else's children to have this game in my hand right this very second. Nom nom nom Diablo.

The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings

I loved the Witcher and CD Projekt are a company that I have a ton of respect for if for nothing else than GOG. I will so be buying this on release day.

Dead State

Ex-Troika... let me say that again. Ex-Troika. Troika. Arcanum, VTM: Bloodlines, ToEE. A game from "New" Troika? Words cannot express just how much joy this brings me.

Grim Dawn

Crate = Ex-Iron Lore Devs = Titan Quest with gore and firearms. Again, yes please.

Torchlight II

Torchlight with Multiplayer. Yeah I know the Consoles just got Torchlight 1 but for the mean time Torchlight 2 remains a PC exclusive and I will play the hell out of this with my friends.

The Broken Hourglass

Jason Compton making his own old school RPG. Whats not to love?

Star Wars: The Old Republic

Bioware have been having a hard time of it lately, I cant say I support their current decisions but TOR is without a doubt the single most expensive and hyped MMO to date. Good or bad, either way its going to be an experience and something I will want a front row seat for.

Guild Wars 2

Its Guild Wars. Hello?

Gray Matter

It was an awesome game. One of Jane Jansen's finest.

The Next Big Thing

The Runaway series are also great. Very underrated games, everyone should check them out. I look forward to seeing what Pendulo Studios do with a new IP.

Culpa Innata 2: Chaos Rising

A diamond in the rough that never found cult success like Beyond Good and Evil or Psychonaughts. This sequel came out of no where and I am so very excited about it.

Gemini Rue

Blade Runner as done by the people who brought us Emerald City Confidential. Sign me up.


Im a sucker for new england horror.

Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad

Tripwire are awesome. Red Orchestra was great. This one is a no brainier.


<3 Notch. I hope Mojang wins The Escapists March Madness.

CHIVALRY: Battle for Agatha

Age of Chivalry was a great mod, its also free and available on Steam. This is a commercial remake. Check out both.


Another group of modders made good. Zombie Panic was my favorite zombie game before Left4Dead.

Rusty Hearts

Japanese Side Scrolling Action Game? I'll bite.


Dude its tribes!

This is all getting waaaaaaaay too long again, so Im just going to list the rest that have me excited:

Naumachia ? Space Warfare
Lone Wolf: Flight from the Dark
They Hunger: Lost Souls (More great modding going commercial)
Black Sky
Bloodline Champions
Jumpgate Evolution (if it doesn't get delayed again)
Black Prophecy (We need more space opera)
Infinity: The Quest for Earth


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Mar 17, 2010
Bob, after watching this video, and taking a sip from the rageahol, I had a long 45 minute argument with a good friend about the subject.

In the end, we agreed to disagree.


Will PCs be taken over by laptops, once they become strong enough yes.
Will PCs be taken over by consoles, not in this lifetime. Consoles are just streamlined, single function machines that are starting to become real PCs but with limited software.


Impractically practical
Feb 6, 2009
From the looks of it, we the people think the guy with the soap-box is wrong.

And for good reason.

The Great JT

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Oct 6, 2008
The future flame-war is going to get a little one-sided once the iCybereyes have been upgraded with the heat ray addon.


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Mar 28, 2008
A long time ago, my dad showed me some pictures he did as a foreman, leading some building constructions. One of them was dated sometime in the late 70's. It was whole computer. The entire building. Floor had removable panels to access the components and the cooling vents. It had data tape rolling alongside the walls, and many screens and lights and switches. Two years, that whole building was obsolete and the main functions was condensed to one room about the size of a closet.

This video reminded me of this story. I even grew up through 14.4k modems, 286 Pentiums, and 5.25 floppies. These were highly advanced compared to the machine from back then. And even these were obsolete 15 years ago.

So yeah, Bob's got the right idea about there going to be different wars about gaming platforms in the future. Wait to see how much they advance in the next 10 years.


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Feb 3, 2011
I know i can play all previous generation console games on my pc.

Yeah this is a troll's thread. Just look at the type of ppl and how many of them were brought to the escapist by Yahtzee.


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Feb 20, 2011
danpascooch said:
Auxiliary said:
I repeat, consoles are pc's with limited options and unupgradeable hardware. I can play my games in a similar way as any console player with a gamepad by linking my pc to the tv with a cable.
That's true, but you're overlooking the massive advantage of consoles from a development standpoint, do you have any idea how hard it is to develop a PC game without knowing exactly what rig your customer will have? It's basically impossible, that's why they develop to a number of computers they think are close to what their customers will use. It causes all sorts of issues and presents all sorts of ridiculous challenges in development.

With consoles developers know EXACTLY what the game will be played on, so they can optimize it and push to the very brink of its capabilities without worrying about framerate issues or other glitches due to hardware incompatibility (I know some console games have framerate issues and such, but that's due to lazy development, those issues would likely have been 10x more serious had it been on PC)
Isn't that just bad programming? There is plenty of indie developers who succeed in making games perfectly playable on virtually every computer. Big shots such as Blizzard and Valve can do it and are well rewarded for it. Seeing as the majority of succesful games are made by AAA studios, they have the funds to fix these issues.


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Apr 15, 2009
DeGoon said:
A long time ago, my dad showed me some pictures he did as a foreman, leading some building constructions. One of them was dated sometime in the late 70's. It was whole computer. The entire building. Floor had removable panels to access the components and the cooling vents. It had data tape rolling alongside the walls, and many screens and lights and switches. Two years, that whole building was obsolete and the main functions was condensed to one room about the size of a closet.

This video reminded me of this story. I even grew up through 14.4k modems, 286 Pentiums, and 5.25 floppies. These were highly advanced compared to the machine from back then. And even these were obsolete 15 years ago.

So yeah, Bob's got the right idea about there going to be different wars about gaming platforms in the future. Wait to see how much they advance in the next 10 years.
And this reminds me of a story I heard once... oh QI.

It involves the very first computers ever made. Save for that one that's now in the London Museum and is made of copper tabs and string. A boys father took him into work one day and showed him their great advance, essentially a less home-oriented version of the home computer. He looked to his son and said,
"One day boy, there will be EIGHT of these in the entire world!"

Sometimes, you can shoot a little too low.


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Mar 5, 2009
Can't argue that the desktop is quickly becoming an archaic device. But that itself does not solve the problem of what happens when the laptop steps up to the plate as the new Mandingo of video game performance. Furthermore, people still need keyboards, places to look up loads of porn they don't want to watch in the family room and the ability to control all the files on their home machine so they can disguise the aforementioned porn and potentially do some work every once in a while.

So, would I say the PC is basically dead? Only if it means desktop. Otherwise, we'll just have to see. Personally, I hope there's a ridiculous uptick in console pirating and developers return some attention to the easy-to-develop-for and more forgiving option for independent game development: the laptop/home computer.


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Apr 17, 2009
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Here's the Little Picture: [HEADING=3] Consoles are becoming PCs.[/HEADING]
You need to rematch the video then, because that was basically an undertone in the last section of the video.


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Nov 17, 2009
For the record, 90% of the game time I spend is on the computer. 100% of those games can't be translated off the computer. Civ/Starcraft/DotA aren't games that you could ever take off the computer (well, Civ maybe, but its infinitely better on the computer). The other 10% of games I own I put on my emulators. Emulators are just so much nicer than the actual consoles, especially for handheld games.

I think Bob is missing a key part of the equation, due to the fact that he lives in America. Namely, LAN shops. If nothing else, DotA is proof that there is a huge market for people who are willing to go to LANs to play Computer games. And maybe you *could* make a LAN shop for consoles, but the fact is that it doesn't happen. Icefrog, the developer of DotA, estimates the total number of players based off downloads from his site and downloads from other sites in China, to be 10 million in west and 10 million in China.


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Mar 1, 2011
I've agreed and disagreed with so many points in this video that I have to start from scratch on this one...

PCs are an essential part of every day life. While there are devices out there that can do things that a PC can, and are more portable and "practical", they are certainly not as powerful. Not by a long shot. Not only that, but a mouse and keyboard configuration is already simple and easy to use. Using my iPod as an example, I have to go into a whole new keyboard menu just to use numbers and a whole OTHER keyboard menu after that to use fancy things like slashes and underscores. Not to mention the fact that apple has a stick up their ass and makes the damn thing near impossible to get used to for new users.

I will agree that PCs are certainly becoming outdated, but the only response to that would be PCs with more powerful parts. iPads and the like may be convenient at certain times, but they will NEVER beat a PC in terms of how effective they are at doing the same work. PCs will be blowing up stars before tablets get off the ground.

I'd also like to commend Bob's balls to come out and say this on the escapist. I applaud you, sir.

I also wonder what would happen if BlackBusterCritic sees this video...

Griff Morivan

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Mar 7, 2011
Literally, my only complaint is, I'd like to see a Tablet or even a Laptop at 800$ that is as strong as a PC for the same cost. Not a PC gamer, except for when I have no other option. Like, Minecraft, Freelancer, FFVII (because I can't find a PSX version) and Halo 1? That, a PC gamer, does not make.

I work on a PC, so... yeah.


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Dec 9, 2009
So, why exactly would I want to spread my PC needs over those dozen or so different things? Why would I not want to have one thing that can do them all, instead of having to use all the different dinguses? It seems unwieldy, awkward and expensive.
Why would I get a tablet, a notebook, a console and all those other things, when I have the functions of all (console in this case having the function of gaming in general) in one machine? Is there any pros to that? At all?