The Big Picture: Plothole Surfers

Naqel

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RealRT said:
If constant search for plotholes results in less movies as abhorrent as The Last Jedi (and make no mistake, the movie is a complete and utter pile of garbage), what are the drawbacks, again?
Well, you see, movies that "push an agenda" will inherently have some "plotholes" and other gaps in logic, that would be doubleplusungood if those were to be pointed out by someone.
 

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While I mostly agree, it does nag me when I can't disceren any level of sense. Indiana Jones didn't know he needed to sit out Raisers, but it seems like Poe Dameron doesn't just do some stupid things, but undergoes a radical personality change because someone needed to be the idiot who started a mutiny. And it also seems like the reason this was done was to largely bring him back to who he was before.
Its like watching Archer all over again.

It seems to me that the new trilogy fittingly has nothing new to offer. Frankly, the original films weren't the kind of in-depth intellectual powerhouses that warranted a trilogy of introspection, which is a polite way of putting it considering the blatent copy-paste. Battle of Hoth pt.2, new deathstar with a dumb weakness, leading jedi master sacrifices himself to distract the sith villain whom he formally taught and etc. The high camp archetypical moralising space western was never a particularly sophisticated story to begin with and the subversion card has already been played for Rogue One.

Fair enough to everyone that enjoyed it, I found both movies incredibly dull and somewhat insulting to my memory (the Luke fakeout especially, jesus. Should've gone all the way and had Kylo say "But now, I am the master!") but that's the infinite multiplicity of subjective opinion for you.
 

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Well, I actually think that Beauty and the Beast remake is an interesting example here, because while yes, it does in fact try to fix some of the perceived 'plot holes' of the original, it's very hard to deny that it ended up in far worse shape because of it. In the words of Yahtzee: "Talk about side-stepping a pothole only to fall off a bridge." And yes, I would also like to point out that Disney didn't fix the one thematic issue that animated movie had: "I want adventure in the great wide somewhere," which is a throughline that doesn't really go anywhere. But there is the simple fact that the remake ended up being so messy is an interesting discussion about the current marketing strategy of Disney is playing it safe and angling for nostalgia dollars while also wanting to acknowledge the fanboys, but in order to properly do so, first you have to acknowledge what is wrong with said movie, which inevitably entails a discussion of the plotholes dug in order to collect the dirt to fill up the previous ones.
 

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ineptelephant said:
Its like watching Archer all over again.
"Do you want Sith? Because this is how you get Sith!"

It seems to me that the new trilogy fittingly has nothing new to offer. Frankly, the original films weren't the kind of in-depth intellectual powerhouses that warranted a trilogy of introspection, which is a polite way of putting it considering the blatent copy-paste. Battle of Hoth pt.2, new deathstar with a dumb weakness, leading jedi master sacrifices himself to distract the sith villain whom he formally taught and etc. The high camp archetypical moralising space western was never a particularly sophisticated story to begin with and the subversion card has already been played for Rogue One.

Fair enough to everyone that enjoyed it, I found both movies incredibly dull and somewhat insulting to my memory (the Luke fakeout especially, jesus. Should've gone all the way and had Kylo say "But now, I am the master!") but that's the infinite multiplicity of subjective opinion for you.
For the most part I'm fine with the shared beats. Lucas made it clear before the prequels even came out that the saga doesn't repeat, but it sure does rhyme. And by the time we get the crossed sabers before Senator Palpatine's face in a totally-not-foreshadowing moment, he'd really beaten that point to death.

It largely comes down to perspective, but I at least found the sequel trilogy to be fun so far. I could live without the dumb phone jokes, could really live without a casino planet side excursion, and think much of of the conflict in TLJ was driven by sheer stupidity, but at least I wasn't bored like I was during the prequels. Well, I mean, TLJ was too long for the content and desperately needed an edit and I checked my phone several times to see what time it was, and that still managed to be better than my response to AOC.

I don't know. I think part of it is just that I never had the same reverence for Star Wars a lot of fans seem to have. I grew up on them, but they were dumb fun space cowboys and samurai movies. I remember when I was five or six and saw the movies in revival and was blown away by the visual spectacle, the silly fun, and the visual spectacle.

But that's also kind of the thing: if I'm entertained, I'm far less likely to care about the dumb moments or the plot holes or just the cludgier moments of a movie. So when I'm paying attention to the cracks, it probably means I'm not entertained. And while I've watched TFA more times than I've watched the prequels combined, one viewing of TLJ gave me enough down time to really go "this is dumb," "this doesn't make sense," and "I want a porg." Okay, that lat one isn't really a bad thing.

And while none of that automatically equals plot holes, I do think it enters into the territory of "why people had problems with the movie."
 

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So. Bob...

[ul][li]Approximately what percentage of your time these days is consumed creating Web content? I only ask because sometimes there were long gaps between movie reviews and episodes of In Bob We Trust, and I've mused to myself, "Well, dude probably has a day job..."[/li]
[li]Does your current arrangement with The Escapist impose any time limits on your videos? Back in the day, your videos were all five minutes or less, presumably to control bandwidth/storage costs.[/li]
[li]Gratuitous Tech-philia: What kind of A/V equipment do you use to make your videos?[/li]
[li]I recently fired up the Really That Bad trilogy again (all four hours). Are you still glad you did it? Has the demon finally been purged from your psyche?[/li]
[li]Have you thought about a series covering vintage TV shows? I'm thinking in particular of things like Space: 1999, UFO, The Prisoner, Voyage to The Bottom of The Sea, The Six Million Dollar Man, etc. Or is this more The Nostalgia Critic's territory?[/li]
[li]Any chance of new episodes of The Game Overthinker? And on that note...[/li]
[li]Flagrantly Gratuitous Self-Promotion: Have you by any chance seen this: https://youtu.be/lwniiqhux4g It's a "response video" to your Game Overthinker "Top Ten Consoles of All Time" video, addressing what I deemed a conspicuous omission...[/li]
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Orekoya said:
A lot of truth in this video. And for some reason Cinema Sins has rampant misogyny when it comes to writing their sins, with an almost active hatred of Scarlett Johansson in particular. Edit: Also remembered watching a video last year specifically about why Cinema Sins is bad in many different ways so gonna include this link for those that might wonder why people that series is trash.

I checked out of CinemaSins really early after their Avatar video contained the sentence "If Michelle Rodriguez were a women then I would fuck her"... and then gave the film a "Sin" for that... somehow.

If you like CinemaSin bashing I'd also suggest the following videos nitpicking the hell out of their videos with a kind of tired amusement that is way funnier than any of their videos have ever been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qxgkOIsHUs
 

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HI BOB!!!!! Long time listener, first time caller.... well not actually, but I'm happy to reactivate my account after 5 years to ask you this VERY important and timely question:

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